Class A Rankings 2-23-14

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:11 am

Not too many surprises. 22 teams left, 7 #2 seeds and all #1 seeds remaining.

1. East Grand Forks (24-2-1) [8A #1]
2. Hermantown (21-4-2) [7A #1]
3. Breck (20-5-1) [2A #1]
4. Warroad (22-4-1) [8A #2]
5. Duluth Marshall (18-8-1) [7A #2]
6. Cathedral (19-7-1) [6A #1]
7. Totino-Grace (15-10-1) [4A #1]
8. New Prague (20-4-3) [1A #1]
9. Mankato West (25-2) [1A #2]
10. Luverne (26-0-1) [3A #1]
11. Orono (17-8-1) [2A #2]
12. Kennedy (13-11-2) [2A #3]
13. Mahtomedi (16-10) [4A #2]
14. St Paul Academy (18-8 ) [4A #3]
15. Delano (15-10-1) [2A #4]
16. Alexandria (19-5-2) [6A #3]
17. Chisago Lakes (18-8 ) [5A #1]
18. Princeton (14-12) [5A #2]
19. Spring Lake Park (19-7) [5A #3]
20. South St Paul (11-14-1) [4A #4]
21. Proctor (8-18 ) [5A #4]
22. New Ulm (17-10) [3A #3]

This week

Section 1A

#1 New Prague vs #2 Mankato West – Wednesday

Section 2A

#1 Breck vs #4 Delano – Tuesday
#2 Orono vs #3 Kennedy – Tuesday

Final – Thursday

Section 3A

#1 Luverne vs #3 New Ulm – Wednedsay

Section 4A

#1 Totino-Grace vs #4 South St Paul – Tuesday
#2 Mahtomedi vs #3 St Paul Academy – Tuesday

Final – Friday

Section 5A

#1 Chisago Lakes vs #4 Proctor – Tuesday
#2 Princeton vs #3 Spring Lake Park – Tuesday

Final – Thursday

Section 6A

#1 Cathedral vs #2 Alexandria – Thursday

Section 7A

#1 Hermantown vs #2 Duluth Marshall – Wednesday

Section 8A

#1 East Grand Forks vs #2 Warroad - Thursday

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:18 am

EGF Warroad should be wild. Would love to see EGF Breck rematch in St Paul

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:32 am

No huge surprises outside of 2A, as they were the only section the #1 seed didn't make it out of sections. Thoughts on the seeds?

1. East Grand Forks (25-2-1)
2. Hermantown (22-4-2)
3. New Prague (20-4-3)
4. Cathedral (20-7-1)
5. Totino-Grace (17-10-1)
[6]. Chisago Lakes (17-8 )
[7]. Luverne (27-0-1)
[8]. Orono (19-8-1)

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:34 am

Games on Wed:

11am #2 Hermanton vs Luverne
1pm #3 New Prauge vs Chisago Lakes

6pm #4 Cathedral vs #5 Totino-Grace
8pm #1 East Grand Forks vs Orono

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:47 am

I think Hermantown got the best draw getting to play an undefeated team that just may be the best class a team in the state!
Should be very interesting

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:52 am

Orono, imo, had a very solid case to be made for getting seeded.

It's a bummer that the top seed has to play the best of the unseeded teams.

Teak · Post by **Teak** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:42 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:No huge surprises outside of 2A, as they were the only section the #1 seed didn't make it out of sections. Thoughts on the seeds?

1. East Grand Forks (25-2-1)
2. Hermantown (22-4-2)
3. New Prague (20-4-3)
4. Cathedral (20-7-1)
5. Totino-Grace (17-10-1)
[6]. Chisago Lakes (17-8 )
[7]. Luverne (27-0-1)
[8]. Orono (19-8-1)

This was crazy, ranking Chisago Lakes above Luverne.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:27 pm

Teak wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:No huge surprises outside of 2A, as they were the only section the #1 seed didn't make it out of sections. Thoughts on the seeds?

1. East Grand Forks (25-2-1)
2. Hermantown (22-4-2)
3. New Prague (20-4-3)
4. Cathedral (20-7-1)
5. Totino-Grace (17-10-1)
[6]. Chisago Lakes (17-8 )
[7]. Luverne (27-0-1)
[8]. Orono (19-8-1)
This was crazy, ranking Chisago Lakes above Luverne.

Not my ranking. I did this after seeds had come out. The bottom 3 are simply the "seed" their opponent dictates. ie. Since Orono is playing the top seed, they are the 8 seed in a bracket.

With their Cathedral tie and losing to Hermantown by 1 I personally would have Orono seeded and definitely not seeded New Prague above a team who beat them.

Cootslayer · Post by **Cootslayer** » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:08 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:
Teak wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:No huge surprises outside of 2A, as they were the only section the #1 seed didn't make it out of sections. Thoughts on the seeds?

1. East Grand Forks (25-2-1)
2. Hermantown (22-4-2)
3. New Prague (20-4-3)
4. Cathedral (20-7-1)
5. Totino-Grace (17-10-1)
[6]. Chisago Lakes (17-8 )
[7]. Luverne (27-0-1)
[8]. Orono (19-8-1)
This was crazy, ranking Chisago Lakes above Luverne.
Not my ranking. I did this after seeds had come out. The bottom 3 are simply the "seed" their opponent dictates. ie. Since Orono is playing the top seed, they are the 8 seed in a bracket.

With their Cathedral tie and losing to Hermantown by 1 I personally would have Orono seeded and definitely not seeded New Prague above a team who beat them.

SCC 3 and NP 4 based on the head to head makes sense.

Those voting on the seeds must have put more weight on the fact that NP beat a 25-3, top ten team, twice. Neither of those games was @ NP. Those "quality wins" coupled with fewer losses must be what did it.

HShockeywatcher, you might have to explain "quality wins" to the folks from SW MN...

Everyone needs to remember that the 6-8 positions for the pairings are randomly drawn. I would bet that Orono is 6 if they were to rank all 8.

Can't say that I disagree with the way it ended up when you look at it that way.

Teak · Post by **Teak** » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:14 am

Cootslayer wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:
Teak wrote: This was crazy, ranking Chisago Lakes above Luverne.
Not my ranking. I did this after seeds had come out. The bottom 3 are simply the "seed" their opponent dictates. ie. Since Orono is playing the top seed, they are the 8 seed in a bracket.

With their Cathedral tie and losing to Hermantown by 1 I personally would have Orono seeded and definitely not seeded New Prague above a team who beat them.
HShockeywatcher, you might have to explain "quality wins" to the folks from SW MN...

And you'll have to explain "undefeated" to the other people.

Cootslayer · Post by **Cootslayer** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:46 pm

Teak wrote:
Cootslayer wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote: Not my ranking. I did this after seeds had come out. The bottom 3 are simply the "seed" their opponent dictates. ie. Since Orono is playing the top seed, they are the 8 seed in a bracket.

With their Cathedral tie and losing to Hermantown by 1 I personally would have Orono seeded and definitely not seeded New Prague above a team who beat them.
HShockeywatcher, you might have to explain "quality wins" to the folks from SW MN...
And you'll have to explain "undefeated" to the other people.

Thanks for making my point.

27-2-1 is not undefeated in my dictionary....

Teak · Post by **Teak** » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:11 pm

Cootslayer wrote:
Teak wrote:
Cootslayer wrote: HShockeywatcher, you might have to explain "quality wins" to the folks from SW MN...
And you'll have to explain "undefeated" to the other people.
Thanks for making my point.

27-2-1 is not undefeated in my dictionary....

The record is 27-0-1 at this point in time. You don't really understand the word 'undefeated', I take it.

Cootslayer · Post by **Cootslayer** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:05 pm

We can chat again Thursday at about Noon.

How's that sound?

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:04 pm

Cootslayer wrote:We can chat again Thursday at about Noon.

How's that sound?

Do you have an actual point? This all started with a comment about "ranking" Chisago above Luverne. Then you brought up Luverne and brought up qualities wins. What quality wins does Chisago have?

Could Luverne go 0-2? Sure. But they are on the same side of the bracket as Chisago so at worst one of them won't go 0-2 and one of EGF, Orono, Totino or Cathedral will...

If I were to have ranked the teams pre-seeding, it would have been:
1. East Grand Forks
2. Hermantown
3. Cathedral
4. Orono
5. Totino-Grace
6. New Prague
7. Luverne
8. Chisago Lakes

MrGoalieBoy · Post by **MrGoalieBoy** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:04 am

HShockeywatcher wrote:
Cootslayer wrote:We can chat again Thursday at about Noon.

How's that sound?
Do you have an actual point? This all started with a comment about "ranking" Chisago above Luverne. Then you brought up Luverne and brought up qualities wins. What quality wins does Chisago have?

Could Luverne go 0-2? Sure. But they are on the same side of the bracket as Chisago so at worst one of them won't go 0-2 and one of EGF, Orono, Totino or Cathedral will...

If I were to have ranked the teams pre-seeding, it would have been:
1. East Grand Forks
2. Hermantown
3. Cathedral
4. Orono
5. Totino-Grace
6. New Prague
7. Luverne
8. Chisago Lakes

I agree with this. I'm not quite sure how New Prague got seeded #3....

urban iceman · Post by **urban iceman** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:54 am

MrGoalieBoy wrote:
HShockeywatcher wrote:
Cootslayer wrote:We can chat again Thursday at about Noon.

How's that sound?
Do you have an actual point? This all started with a comment about "ranking" Chisago above Luverne. Then you brought up Luverne and brought up qualities wins. What quality wins does Chisago have?

Could Luverne go 0-2? Sure. But they are on the same side of the bracket as Chisago so at worst one of them won't go 0-2 and one of EGF, Orono, Totino or Cathedral will...

If I were to have ranked the teams pre-seeding, it would have been:
1. East Grand Forks
2. Hermantown
3. Cathedral
4. Orono
5. Totino-Grace
6. New Prague
7. Luverne
8. Chisago Lakes
I agree with this. I'm not quite sure how New Prague got seeded #3....

Lot's of study

urban iceman · Post by **urban iceman** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:59 am

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outshot, yes... outplayed, no..... and possibly becasue they seeded based on the whole body of work, not just one game. Only one loss by more than a goal, all four losses to section finalists (Farmington, Cathedral, Hermantown and Eagan) I was surprised they got the three seed over Cathedral, but felt sure they would be no lower than four.
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MrGoalieBoy · Post by **MrGoalieBoy** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:24 am

Yes I agree, I was just saying Cathedral shoulda been ranked ahead of them.

urban iceman · Post by **urban iceman** » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:05 am

MrGoalieBoy wrote:Yes I agree, I was just saying Cathedral shoulda been ranked ahead of them.

I could agree with that.