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BlueLineSpecial wrote:
east hockey wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote: Actually there are quite a few cities in Minnesota that are "richer" than Edina if you define it by median household income. In this ranking Edina comes in at No. 61!

http://www.usa.com/rank/minnesota-state ... y-rank.htm

According to this survey there are six Minnesota cities that are at least as big as Edina but have higher median household incomes:

#26 Maple Grove - $92,768
#29 Lakeville - $91,631
#30 Woodbury - $91,383
#37 Eden Prairie- $89,493
#44 Plymouth - $85,340
#54 Minnetonka - $81,324

#61 Edina - $79,535

P.S. I was very surprised to see where Wayzata comes in:
#140 Wayzata - $64,369
Man, what a bunch of freaking Richie Rich's! Duluth is #510. The town I live in now (Proctor) weights in at a lofty #257. Guess Duluth was more Ma & Pa Kettle than I thought. :)

Lee
Duluth at 510?!?! I guess DE should play this song at home games when they come out for warmups:

http://youtu.be/iIGKlicb8n0
I'm sure the area west of 21st Ave E drags the rating down a few hundred places. :mrgreen:

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You can't really take Edina as a whole and apply all those statistics in my eyes because it is so much different from one side to another.
The west side has a couple of neighborhoods that drive the price way up while the East side especially over by Southdale is comparable to South Minneapolis.

One side is above average with a few neighborhoods that are very wealthy while the other side is probably a little below average with a few areas that are a little bit above.
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green4 wrote:You can't really take Edina as a whole and apply all those statistics in my eyes because it is so much different from one side to another.
The west side has a couple of neighborhoods that drive the price way up while the East side especially over by Southdale is comparable to South Minneapolis.

One side is above average with a few neighborhoods that are very wealthy while the other side is probably a little below average with a few areas that are a little bit above.
Isn't most of Edina east of France Ave in Richfield school district?

I'm guessing that the median income of Edina School District > median income of City of Edina.
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almostashappy wrote:
green4 wrote:You can't really take Edina as a whole and apply all those statistics in my eyes because it is so much different from one side to another.
The west side has a couple of neighborhoods that drive the price way up while the East side especially over by Southdale is comparable to South Minneapolis.

One side is above average with a few neighborhoods that are very wealthy while the other side is probably a little below average with a few areas that are a little bit above.
Isn't most of Edina east of France Ave in Richfield school district?

I'm guessing that the median income of Edina School District > median income of City of Edina.
No, east of France ave is actually in Edina's school district. From 50th to about 54th East of France is considered Minneapolis while from that same point of 54th St. to highway 62 everything east of France to Xerxes is considered Edina's school district. Richfield holds East of York once you pass over the bridge of highway 62.

I would also disagree about the medium income of the Edina school District being greater than the actual city. (I assume you mean the people living within edina compared to those attending the High school)
Edina has open Enrollment so lots of kids come from areas like Richfield (Where I am from actually) and South Minneapolis. While a few come from Bloomington and Minnetonka I would argue the average income of those from outside of Edina would bring down the total of the School District.

If you meant excluding open enrollment students then I would still disagree. When I was in High school I would probably agree but as of last year they have taken a part of Interlachen in Edina and added it to the Hopkins school district. Taken part of Interlachen would significantly lower the average income of Edina's school district.
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Post by Cadets16 »

MNHockeyFan wrote:#26 Maple Grove - $92,768
#29 Lakeville - $91,631
#30 Woodbury - $91,383
#37 Eden Prairie- $89,493
#44 Plymouth - $85,340
#54 Minnetonka - $81,324

#61 Edina - $79,535

P.S. I was very surprised to see where Wayzata comes in:
#140 Wayzata - $64,369
Goes to show if we are going make an argument on income, and its affect on hockey programs, then some schools should be far better than they are. I mean, look at Shakopee... only about $2,000 less of an income, but about 12 fewer wins than Edina.
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MNHockeyFan wrote:P.S. I was very surprised to see where Wayzata comes in:
#140 Wayzata - $64,369
This has come up before--I think Wayzata only has something like 3,000 residents. Most of its HS students are from Plymouth.
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I sure would have liked to have seen that game!
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Cadets16 wrote: Goes to show if we are going make an argument on income, and its affect on hockey programs, then some schools should be far better than they are. I mean, look at Shakopee... only about $2,000 less of an income, but about 12 fewer wins than Edina.
Goes to show that there's different kinds of money, and that money isn't everything when it comes to premiere hockey programs.

Imagine a Venn diagram with 3 intersecting circles. Label one "money," the second "culture" and the third "school tradition." Edina is one of the few programs that sits within the intersection of all 3 circles.

Money - self-evident. Hockey is an expensive sport. Striving to be an elite hockey player is even more expensive (e.g. summer camps, personal coaches, off-season programs like FHIT). But "old money" is better than "new money" because just as important is....

Culture - Kids born in Minnesota are more likely to play hockey than kids who move into the state. Kids whose parents and grandparents lived here are even more likely, particularly if dad played. Some of this "culture" is ethnic (not a lot of Hispanic skaters), but White parents who grew up in non-hockey states before moving to MN also aren't as likely to have rink rats.

School Tradition - Schools that have a tradition of excellent hockey programs are more likely to draw in hockey-focused families, and are also more likely to capture the school's best athletes if/when they decide to focus only on one sport. Schools that are better known for other winter sports (e.g. Apple Valley and wrestling, Hopkins and basketball) will always be at a disadvantage, even if they're large suburban districts.

So what does this all mean? Edina is a wealthy first-ring suburb with older housing stock and (probably) a higher percentage of hockey-playing native Minnesotans than communities like Eagan, which was nothing but farm fields back in the 1970's. Eagan is almost as wealthy, but has a higher percentage of families who moved in from out of state (with parents who didn't play hockey). Eagan has established itself as a first-rate hockey program over the last few years, but has nowhere near the pedigree as Edina. So Edina has a built-in advantage over Eagan, but Eagan has a built-in advantage over neighboring Apple Valley.

That's my theory, at least. 8)

As for Shakopee...wealthy, but mostly younger housing stock, probably lower % native hockey playing parents, and not much of a hockey tradition in school (their boys basketball team is giving Hopkins fits, even as I type). Give them 1 circle. :wink:
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almostashappy wrote:As for Shakopee...wealthy, but mostly younger housing stock, probably lower % native hockey playing parents, and not much of a hockey tradition in school (their boys basketball team is giving Hopkins fits, even as I type). Give them 1 circle. :wink:
Can you imagine a hockey player standing at the blue line until the clock ran down, to try and get a one-timer? ANY coach like that should be ashamed of that performance.

But back to hockey. 8) The Edina hockey tradition drives that team, I agree. You just need a few years of success to make a program great. Totino football, Edina hockey, Hopkins :roll: basketball.

As for Shako though, the girls hockey team is pretty decent from what I've heard...wonder if some of that will ever translate to the men's program. However, the high school is growing in enrollment. They just had a city vote on creating a second high school, and splitting kids apart. Voted down, but could've ruined sports programs for a while.
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Cadets16 wrote:
almostashappy wrote:As for Shakopee...wealthy, but mostly younger housing stock, probably lower % native hockey playing parents, and not much of a hockey tradition in school (their boys basketball team is giving Hopkins fits, even as I type). Give them 1 circle. :wink:
Can you imagine a hockey player standing at the blue line until the clock ran down, to try and get a one-timer? ANY coach like that should be ashamed of that performance.

But back to hockey. 8) The Edina hockey tradition drives that team, I agree. You just need a few years of success to make a program great. Totino football, Edina hockey, Hopkins :roll: basketball.

As for Shako though, the girls hockey team is pretty decent from what I've heard...wonder if some of that will ever translate to the men's program.
Yeah I turned the 'basketball' game on with 2 minutes left in the game. 0 points until OT. Zero points in OT. Zero points in 2OT. Hopkins holding ball from tip of 4th OT to 5 seconds left. Despicable and pretty much sums up why I despise that sport for the most part.

Anyway, like you said, back to hockey. It seems like many of these outer ring suburbs have success in waves. They'll be good- to-great for a couple of years, make a run, then dip back down to mediocre. Sustained success seems to be a challenge. Perhaps part of the tradition thing AAS and yourself has brought up? Growing up with the sport or in a community that values it obviously plays a big role...
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Post by MNHockeyFan »

karl(east) wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote:P.S. I was very surprised to see where Wayzata comes in:
#140 Wayzata - $64,369
This has come up before--I think Wayzata only has something like 3,000 residents. Most of its HS students are from Plymouth.
Chart shows 3,717 so you're close! I happen to live in Plymouth so I know the situation with the school having mostly Plymouth kids. I was just surprised that given Wayzata's reputation as being "Lake Minnetonka wealthy" that there were 139 other communities where the median family income is higher.
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