Question about Shattuck...

[MoreCowBell]

Cow Bell & Exiled One- gotta like your passion on both sides of the fence but do either of you have any stats on D1 commits from this years teams? I have a little buckaroo in Dub country that I'm trying to figure out what to do with next year.

If you want to see all of the NCAA commitments, google Chris Heisenberg's 2014 NCAA Hockey Recruit page. If you manuver around the site you can see each NCAA team's commitment list.

[eh1]

Cow Bell- That's impressive.

Exiled- Impressive too but nowhere near Cow Bell's list. Not that I don't believe you, but my banker won't give me a loan on what I tell him I think the crop will be. He wants to see the grain in the bin.

[The Exiled One]

Cow Bell- That's impressive.

Exiled- Impressive too but nowhere near Cow Bell's list. Not that I don't believe you, but my banker won't give me a loan on what I tell him I think the crop will be. He wants to see the grain in the bin.

I knew how many kids from each school were committed when I made my claim. I stand by it.

[O-townClown]

Eh, Edina is a younger team. Commitments come as kids get older.

[secondplace3x]

Why so sour on Edina? Please tell us. I read they had a good defense and goalie. You seem to be well read, what's up? They should be compared to Mn HS Teams not Shattuck. Why go there? Did you get cut? :oops: :oops: :oops: I'm new to this site and no expert but I went to the Minnesota HS Tournament the last several years. I did not see Shattuck play there. I must have missed them. I actually thought Edina looked good as did all the other teams. Your remarks about Edina's weaknesses interested me enough to reply. You may have been joking and because I'm new I didn't get it..If your joking let me know. If your serious make your case and back it up with some evidence. I must admit I may be missing something here but I'm confused by your remarks.

[eh1]

Clown, little buckaroo's PeeWee team is a young team too and most of the parents think their special little one will play in the Show someday but that doesn't mean they'll beat the Wheat Kings 7 out of 10 like the Exiled One claims.

And, holy Caribou sack, after looking up the costs of Shattuck and a home in Edina, its no wonder mosts kids up here end up in the CHL.

[shyguy]

I've been following this post for a while now and I have a few questions. Why is SSM ineligible to play MSHSL? I believe a majority if not all of their players live on campus in Faribault MN, and the ones who do not, live in the surrounding areas. Also, I don't believe they have overage players, and 50% of the team leaves in Minnesota regularly. In AAA, what grade you are in has no concern to hockey, all of the players are referred to as a birth year, not a grade level. With that being said, here is a list of the birth years of every player on SSM's Prep team.
95 birth year players- 2
96 birth year players- 10
97 birth year players- 6
98 birth year players- 2
It looks similar to a MN high school team, as far as age is concerned. Where do they become ineligible to play MSHSL? All other AAA programs recruit player as well as MN high school teams (HM, STA,). We can see that several other top AAA programs have recruited MN boys (Omaha, Team Illinois, NE Prep schools, etc). Is recruitment illegal in MN?

[EHSHack]

Since 2006 Shattuck has had 32 players drafted in the NHL according to their website. Edina has 7 in that same time period and thats the school with the most I can think of off the top of my head, and no other schools that have more than 3.

East= Tardy, Forbort, Toninato, Welinski, and Fairchild since 2006 off the top of my head.

[Snipuh21]

I've been following this post for a while now and I have a few questions. Why is SSM ineligible to play MSHSL?...

Not being from MN I can't answer this question definitively, but I think a major reason has to do with the number of games they play, SSM's schedule having many more games than are permitted under MN HS rules.

[DubCHAGuy]

I've been following this post for a while now and I have a few questions. Why is SSM ineligible to play MSHSL? I believe a majority if not all of their players live on campus in Faribault MN, and the ones who do not, live in the surrounding areas. Also, I don't believe they have overage players, and 50% of the team leaves in Minnesota regularly. In AAA, what grade you are in has no concern to hockey, all of the players are referred to as a birth year, not a grade level. With that being said, here is a list of the birth years of every player on SSM's Prep team.
95 birth year players- 2
96 birth year players- 10
97 birth year players- 6
98 birth year players- 2
It looks similar to a MN high school team, as far as age is concerned. Where do they become ineligible to play MSHSL? All other AAA programs recruit player as well as MN high school teams (HM, STA,). We can see that several other top AAA programs have recruited MN boys (Omaha, Team Illinois, NE Prep schools, etc). Is recruitment illegal in MN?

1. They have zero interest in playing MSHSL. 50-55 games from Sept-April vs. 25 games from Dec-March. And at least half of those 50-55 games are against Elite League/Edina or better competition.

2. Unlike ("HM, STA"), SSM actually recruits. STA built a rink on campus and hired a former Gopher as their coach, then watched better players start to arrive on campus (most of whom recruited themselves through their summer AAA teams). SSM is actually on the phone and in the homes of some of the best players from all over North America. One is legal by MSHSL rules and one is not.

3. I'm pretty sure out of state kids (75% of SSM) have to live with their parents to be eligible by MSHSL rules (see Achiever Academy girls situation). Not the case at SSM. Martin Brodeur lives in NJ, his sons live in the dorms in Fairbault. Ineligible.

It's best for both sides that SSM continues to do their thing and MSHSL continues to do theirs. I would however, like to see more regular season "exhibition" games between SSM and HS teams.

[bauerman]

Since 2006 Shattuck has had 32 players drafted in the NHL according to their website. Edina has 7 in that same time period and thats the school with the most I can think of off the top of my head, and no other schools that have more than 3.

East= Tardy, Forbort, Toninato, Welinski, and Fairchild since 2006 off the top of my head.

STA off the top off my head, Nick Larson,Christian Isackson, Ryan Walters,Jordan Schoeder

[east hockey]

I've been following this post for a while now and I have a few questions. Why is SSM ineligible to play MSHSL? I believe a majority if not all of their players live on campus in Faribault MN, and the ones who do not, live in the surrounding areas. Also, I don't believe they have overage players, and 50% of the team leaves in Minnesota regularly. In AAA, what grade you are in has no concern to hockey, all of the players are referred to as a birth year, not a grade level. With that being said, here is a list of the birth years of every player on SSM's Prep team.
95 birth year players- 2
96 birth year players- 10
97 birth year players- 6
98 birth year players- 2
It looks similar to a MN high school team, as far as age is concerned. Where do they become ineligible to play MSHSL? All other AAA programs recruit player as well as MN high school teams (HM, STA,). We can see that several other top AAA programs have recruited MN boys (Omaha, Team Illinois, NE Prep schools, etc). Is recruitment illegal in MN?

Lee

[shyguy]

I've been following this post for a while now and I have a few questions. Why is SSM ineligible to play MSHSL? I believe a majority if not all of their players live on campus in Faribault MN, and the ones who do not, live in the surrounding areas. Also, I don't believe they have overage players, and 50% of the team leaves in Minnesota regularly. In AAA, what grade you are in has no concern to hockey, all of the players are referred to as a birth year, not a grade level. With that being said, here is a list of the birth years of every player on SSM's Prep team.
95 birth year players- 2
96 birth year players- 10
97 birth year players- 6
98 birth year players- 2
It looks similar to a MN high school team, as far as age is concerned. Where do they become ineligible to play MSHSL? All other AAA programs recruit player as well as MN high school teams (HM, STA,). We can see that several other top AAA programs have recruited MN boys (Omaha, Team Illinois, NE Prep schools, etc). Is recruitment illegal in MN?

1. They have zero interest in playing MSHSL. 50-55 games from Sept-April vs. 25 games from Dec-March. And at least half of those 50-55 games are against Elite League/Edina or better competition.

2. Unlike ("HM, STA"), SSM actually recruits. STA built a rink on campus and hired a former Gopher as their coach, then watched better players start to arrive on campus (most of whom recruited themselves through their summer AAA teams). SSM is actually on the phone and in the homes of some of the best players from all over North America. One is legal by MSHSL rules and one is not.

3. I'm pretty sure out of state kids (75% of SSM) have to live with their parents to be eligible by MSHSL rules (see Achiever Academy girls situation). Not the case at SSM. Martin Brodeur lives in NJ, his sons live in the dorms in Fairbault. Ineligible.

It's best for both sides that SSM continues to do their thing and MSHSL continues to do theirs. I would however, like to see more regular season "exhibition" games between SSM and HS teams.

Ah ok thanks Dub, that makes sense.

[Wreckincrew]

(Assuming about half of the schools are irrelevant to this discussion like the sleepy eyes and luverne's of the world)

Unfortunately Sleepy Eye can't even be called irrelevant as they no longer have a high school team.

Sleepy Eye co-ops with New Ulm...

Yes, I know. That is why I said "Unfortunately".

[rocketscience]

Shattuck has a history of sexual misconduct and you hear of all the booze partying that goes on at the school. You'd expect if you send your kid to a boarding school there would be a lot more oversight by the school and student leadership.

[b]Shattuck students under investigation for alleged sexual assault[/b]

Posted: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 10:38 am | Updated: 6:33 pm, Tue May 6, 2014.

By Camey Thibodeau cthibodeau@faribault.com


Jaci Smith


Posted on May 6, 2014

by Jaci Smith


Faribault police say they have not yet spoken to three Shattuck-St. Mary's students who are the suspects of an alleged sexual assault.

A Faribault Daily News source said the three males play on hockey teams for Shattuck, and that all of them, two minors and one 18-year-old, have left the school.

Police say the alleged sexual assault happened on Saturday, April 26, and was reported by a third party at 1:29 p.m. the next day. The alleged assault was reported to have occurred at a Faribault address that hasn't yet been identified by police. The victim is an adult female and also a student at Shattuck-St. Mary's. All four of those involved knew each other, police said.

The school also reported the allegations, which is required under state law.

"We're still trying to figure out all the facts with the victim and get her account of what happened," said Captain Neal Pederson. "We want to know her full story before we talk to them [the suspects]."

And it's too early to determine if charges will be filed, he said.

"We are assisting the police in their investigation of an off-campus incident of alleged student misconduct," Shattuck-St. Mary's confirmed in an email to the Daily News. "Out of respect for that process and because the allegations involve students, it would be inappropriate for us to make any further public comment at this time."

*************************************************

A metro television station is reporting that Faribault Police are investigating an alleged sexual assault that may include students from Shattuck-St. Mary's School.

According to Fox9 TV News:

Faribault police say the alleged sexual assault happened on Saturday, April 26, and was reported by a third party the next day. The school also reported it, which is required under state law.

Faribault Police Chief Andy Bohlen did not immediately return a call for comment.

"We are assisting the police in their investigation of an off-campus incident of alleged student misconduct," Shattuck-St. Mary's confirmed in a statement to the TV station. "Out of respect for that process and because the allegations involve students, it would be inappropriate for us to make any further public comment at this time."

Police declined to say whether the victim was also a student, but of the three suspects, only one is 18 and the other two are juveniles. None have been arrested or charged.

The full story is available at http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25 ... ex-assault

Check back to Faribault.com as this story develops.





Reach Managing Editor Jaci Smith at 333-3134, or follow her at Twitter.com @FDNJaciSmith

[WarmUpTheBus]

Shattuck has a history of sexual misconduct and you hear of all the booze partying that goes on at the school. You'd expect if you send your kid to a boarding school there would be a lot more oversight by the school and student leadership.

Shattuck students under investigation for alleged sexual assault

Posted: Tuesday, May 6, 2014 10:38 am | Updated: 6:33 pm, Tue May 6, 2014.

By Camey Thibodeau cthibodeau@faribault.com


Jaci Smith



Posted on May 6, 2014

by Jaci Smith


Faribault police say they have not yet spoken to three Shattuck-St. Mary's students who are the suspects of an alleged sexual assault.

A Faribault Daily News source said the three males play on hockey teams for Shattuck, and that all of them, two minors and one 18-year-old, have left the school.

Police say the alleged sexual assault happened on Saturday, April 26, and was reported by a third party at 1:29 p.m. the next day. The alleged assault was reported to have occurred at a Faribault address that hasn't yet been identified by police. The victim is an adult female and also a student at Shattuck-St. Mary's. All four of those involved knew each other, police said.

The school also reported the allegations, which is required under state law.

"We're still trying to figure out all the facts with the victim and get her account of what happened," said Captain Neal Pederson. "We want to know her full story before we talk to them [the suspects]."

And it's too early to determine if charges will be filed, he said.

"We are assisting the police in their investigation of an off-campus incident of alleged student misconduct," Shattuck-St. Mary's confirmed in an email to the Daily News. "Out of respect for that process and because the allegations involve students, it would be inappropriate for us to make any further public comment at this time."

*************************************************

A metro television station is reporting that Faribault Police are investigating an alleged sexual assault that may include students from Shattuck-St. Mary's School.

According to Fox9 TV News:

Faribault police say the alleged sexual assault happened on Saturday, April 26, and was reported by a third party the next day. The school also reported it, which is required under state law.

Faribault Police Chief Andy Bohlen did not immediately return a call for comment.

"We are assisting the police in their investigation of an off-campus incident of alleged student misconduct," Shattuck-St. Mary's confirmed in a statement to the TV station. "Out of respect for that process and because the allegations involve students, it would be inappropriate for us to make any further public comment at this time."

Police declined to say whether the victim was also a student, but of the three suspects, only one is 18 and the other two are juveniles. None have been arrested or charged.

The full story is available at http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25 ... ex-assault

Check back to Faribault.com as this story develops.





Reach Managing Editor Jaci Smith at 333-3134, or follow her at Twitter.com @FDNJaciSmith

I'm just glad that these type of things don't happen at other Minnesota High Schools!

[hockeydad]

Just want to correct a point someone made about eligibility. They used the Brodeur kid as an example of someone who is ineligible because he doesn't live with his parents. That is incorrect.

If I remember correctly, the league does have an exception for boarding schools (Shattuck and St. John's Prep are the only ones in the state that I am aware of). Today's Faribault paper has an article about the Brodeur kid being on the SSM golf team, which is competing in MSHSL competition.

Shattuck is a member of the MSHSL. However, they only compete in a few activities at the MSHSL level.

[Cadets16]

You hear of all the booze partying that goes on at the school.

A) Yupp, because all the other school-endorsed athletic teams in MN are angels in terms of partying...
Give me a break, the State Tourney itself has a rep for being the place teams party most at.

B) Completely irrelevant post to the topic at hand.

[puckbreath]

Just want to correct a point someone made about eligibility. They used the Brodeur kid as an example of someone who is ineligible because he doesn't live with his parents. That is incorrect.

If I remember correctly, the league does have an exception for boarding schools (Shattuck and St. John's Prep are the only ones in the state that I am aware of). Today's Faribault paper has an article about the Brodeur kid being on the SSM golf team, which is competing in MSHSL competition.

Shattuck is a member of the MSHSL. However, they only compete in a few activities at the MSHSL level.

Fixed it for ya; you could use this as the preface to many subjects.

[paulsonj72]

Just want to correct a point someone made about eligibility. They used the Brodeur kid as an example of someone who is ineligible because he doesn't live with his parents. That is incorrect.

If I remember correctly, the league does have an exception for boarding schools (Shattuck and St. John's Prep are the only ones in the state that I am aware of). Today's Faribault paper has an article about the Brodeur kid being on the SSM golf team, which is competing in MSHSL competition.

Shattuck is a member of the MSHSL. However, they only compete in a few activities at the MSHSL level.

IIRC Hillcrest Lutheran Academy in Fergus Falls also has a boarding school component as well as a fay school component for those who travel each day. St Johns Prep is like that too IIRC

[Slap Shot]

Cow Bell- That's impressive.

Exiled- Impressive too but nowhere near Cow Bell's list. Not that I don't believe you, but my banker won't give me a loan on what I tell him I think the crop will be. He wants to see the grain in the bin.

I knew how many kids from each school were committed when I made my claim. I stand by it.

So is Edina the only one of the two allowed to add commitments to the current list?

SSM would outclass every MN team talent wise for a 7 game series 95% of the time. Since even the CCCP in their heyday had an occasional loss SSM losing a few to MNHS teams doesn't invalidate that fact. (and no that is not a direct comparison)

[Froggy Richards]

Cow Bell- That's impressive.

Exiled- Impressive too but nowhere near Cow Bell's list. Not that I don't believe you, but my banker won't give me a loan on what I tell him I think the crop will be. He wants to see the grain in the bin.

I knew how many kids from each school were committed when I made my claim. I stand by it.

So is Edina the only one of the two allowed to add commitments to the current list?

SSM would outclass every MN team talent wise for a 7 game series 95% of the time. Since even the CCCP in their heyday had an occasional loss SSM losing a few to MNHS teams doesn't invalidate that fact. (and no that is not a direct comparison)

Well, they certainly should. They recruit some of the best players from all over the country. MN High School teams are made up of one community. The fact that this is even a debate shows how good MN High School Hockey is. Take the top 20 players in MN and they would be the ones winning 95% of the time.

[The Exiled One]

So is Edina the only one of the two allowed to add commitments to the current list?

Not at all. Shattuck can commit EVERY kid on the prep team and it wouldn't change my opinion.

SSM would outclass every MN team talent wise for a 7 game series 95% of the time. Since even the CCCP in their heyday had an occasional loss SSM losing a few to MNHS teams doesn't invalidate that fact. (and no that is not a direct comparison)

We'll never know, as the two teams never played. You have your guess, I have mine.

I believe, in retrospect, the players on this Edina team are going to keep looking better and better. I think the players on the Shattuck team are at the peak of their hype. Some will maintain, some will disappoint. I don't think any will surprise.

[Gopher Blog]

The top kids (on both sides) have a lot of growth ahead of them. I think it is head scratcher statement to make it seem like one is only destined to improve and the other basically plateau. A bit laughable IMO.

Guys like Norman, Keller, Lindgren, Malmquist, Bellows, Wait, Zuhlsdorf, etc. all will continue to improve as they physically mature and work on their skills. Lots of bright futures on both sides.

[The Exiled One]

The top kids (on both sides) have a lot of growth ahead of them. I think it is head scratcher statement to make it seem like one is only destined to improve and the other basically plateau. A bit laughable IMO.

Not talking about skill, referring to hype. Stock. Reputation. Of course they will continue to improve.