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As the list of goalies leaving or not playing (adding Boe?) grows, those two could turn heads.minnscout wrote:BSM will be fine in goal. They have senior in Long and Bischel who is out in NY and likely to make the USA team. Plus Stauber will provide depth if needed. Not sure who else is there but there are 4 or 5 more that have been at STP. Scott was there but is off to BT to my understanding.
His problem, he has a very strong habit of being hot/cold. Good one game, terrible the next.karl(east) wrote:Surprised not to see any mention of Moorhead's Jacob Dittmer so far. I didn't see him last season, but he was generating a fair amount of hype as a sophomore, and he has a pretty strong defense in front of him. He'll be a Brimsek candidate.
I agree with a high level of curiosity as to why he didn't make it. His stats were not only good, but got better as the season went along. But, as we've all done more than once, just scratch your head...no rhyme or reason to the selections. I think it has more to do with those selecting, especially the goalies. Politics abound...if you don't train with a certain person, you won't even get a look, or less of look... They say its about stats...WestMetro wrote:Andrew Lindgren officially announced departure today
Curious about anyones thoughts why Goodman didn't make Elite Goalie Roster, with his statistics last year in 2nd half of season for MG
Not a huge surprise - , I think it used to be Smargia at attitude goaltending picking goalies? If you didn't go and "train" there - no Elite league for you (metro area atleast). Same ol' politics - Hopefully that has or will change. No need for that BS crap.SidneysDogHouse wrote:I agree with a high level of curiosity as to why he didn't make it. His stats were not only good, but got better as the season went along. But, as we've all done more than once, just scratch your head...no rhyme or reason to the selections. I think it has more to do with those selecting, especially the goalies. Politics abound...if you don't train with a certain person, you won't even get a look, or less of look... They say its about stats...WestMetro wrote:Andrew Lindgren officially announced departure today
Curious about anyones thoughts why Goodman didn't make Elite Goalie Roster, with his statistics last year in 2nd half of season for MG
Yeah, it's Samargia. Unfortunately, a number of goalie coaches in the metro (to remain unnamed) tend to feel like building their resume instead of making goalies better. They're all on the hunt for a D1 job, or volunteer opportunity. Over the next 12-18 months this might change if goalies keep leaving. Someone has to take the bull by the balls and get back to basics, oust a few unmentionables and look to the future of MN Hockey.SuperStar wrote:Not a huge surprise - , I think it used to be Smargia at attitude goaltending picking goalies? If you didn't go and "train" there - no Elite league for you (metro area atleast). Same ol' politics - Hopefully that has or will change. No need for that BS crap.SidneysDogHouse wrote:I agree with a high level of curiosity as to why he didn't make it. His stats were not only good, but got better as the season went along. But, as we've all done more than once, just scratch your head...no rhyme or reason to the selections. I think it has more to do with those selecting, especially the goalies. Politics abound...if you don't train with a certain person, you won't even get a look, or less of look... They say its about stats...WestMetro wrote:Andrew Lindgren officially announced departure today
Curious about anyones thoughts why Goodman didn't make Elite Goalie Roster, with his statistics last year in 2nd half of season for MG
Could not have said it better myself!SidneysDogHouse wrote:Yeah, it's Samargia. Unfortunately, a number of goalie coaches in the metro (to remain unnamed) tend to feel like building their resume instead of making goalies better. They're all on the hunt for a D1 job, or volunteer opportunity. Over the next 12-18 months this might change if goalies keep leaving. Someone has to take the bull by the balls and get back to basics, oust a few unmentionables and look to the future of MN Hockey.SuperStar wrote:Not a huge surprise - , I think it used to be Smargia at attitude goaltending picking goalies? If you didn't go and "train" there - no Elite league for you (metro area atleast). Same ol' politics - Hopefully that has or will change. No need for that BS crap.SidneysDogHouse wrote: I agree with a high level of curiosity as to why he didn't make it. His stats were not only good, but got better as the season went along. But, as we've all done more than once, just scratch your head...no rhyme or reason to the selections. I think it has more to do with those selecting, especially the goalies. Politics abound...if you don't train with a certain person, you won't even get a look, or less of look... They say its about stats...
#wereintrouble!
Love the rant.. It is a unspoken "elite league" goalie situation that everyone should be aware....! They do need someone who has seen the goalies over some time. I don't agree with the (1) weekend and pick, but I am 100% on board with NOT having (1) goalie guy - Samargia - having the final say over the last few years - no wonder these guys leave. Need a few guys with some clout and should have seen the goalies over a period of time. IMO. But I like your post.Stars67 wrote:This is one of the best threads I have seen in the last 10 years on this board. I have been working with goalies specifically over the last 7 years, for minimal to no charge, (only covering ice and shooter cost)... The heavy weight GOALIE NAMES have done a tremendous job of taking advantage of goalies. Samargia was guilty of this last year with 2 specific goalies one making the elite league and one not... The one who made it did not make it on merit he made it based on attending ATTITUDE GOAL TENDING. I know this for a FACT as I was able to speak with a USHL coach who made a call on the situation and pushed for the other one to make it so they could scout him further. I will not mention names of the goalies because it is not their fault that they were involved in the politics. They both are solid goal tenders however one caught a break and the other lost out. It should be a crime and the leaders of the elite league should hire someone who is not in business coaching goalies to help coach and pick teams. I.E. someone like a Bob Mason to come in for the evaluations. Pay him for the weekend to evaluate so kids get in based on merit. He is not connected to the High School Hockey scene like the "OTHER GUYS"--- END RANT
No surprise here......the most highly politicized position in all of youth sports. Once peeked in on a tournament in Blaine, a Jr Gold team was playing, and I was impressed with the level of goaltending. I wondered what their story was.... and wondered how many really good goalies get pushed aside and never realize their potential because they have never been given an opportunity. For example, surely a population the size of Apple Valley has more than 1 decent high school age goaltender, yet who would know, as one elite (deservedly) goalie has occupied that position all the way up. Personally, would find it amusing if the Brimsek ends up going to one who was deemed unworthy of an elite spot this year....go get it boys!SuperStar wrote:Love the rant.. It is a unspoken "elite league" goalie situation that everyone should be aware....! They do need someone who has seen the goalies over some time. I don't agree with the (1) weekend and pick, but I am 100% on board with NOT having (1) goalie guy - Samargia - having the final say over the last few years - no wonder these guys leave. Need a few guys with some clout and should have seen the goalies over a period of time. IMO. But I like your post.Stars67 wrote:This is one of the best threads I have seen in the last 10 years on this board. I have been working with goalies specifically over the last 7 years, for minimal to no charge, (only covering ice and shooter cost)... The heavy weight GOALIE NAMES have done a tremendous job of taking advantage of goalies. Samargia was guilty of this last year with 2 specific goalies one making the elite league and one not... The one who made it did not make it on merit he made it based on attending ATTITUDE GOAL TENDING. I know this for a FACT as I was able to speak with a USHL coach who made a call on the situation and pushed for the other one to make it so they could scout him further. I will not mention names of the goalies because it is not their fault that they were involved in the politics. They both are solid goal tenders however one caught a break and the other lost out. It should be a crime and the leaders of the elite league should hire someone who is not in business coaching goalies to help coach and pick teams. I.E. someone like a Bob Mason to come in for the evaluations. Pay him for the weekend to evaluate so kids get in based on merit. He is not connected to the High School Hockey scene like the "OTHER GUYS"--- END RANT
I'm curious to know how you figure there are so many opportunities to play post HS. Jr tryout camps are bringing in up to 50 goalies to the open camps and 10-15 to main camp, when they realistically, maybe have 1 spot available. Even heard of Tier III teams take 4-5 goalies into the season, sitting all but 2 in the bleachers for the games (for pay to play hockey???) Seriously, how you could encourage your kid to take up the position is beyond me.....you have a better chance of winning the lottery than playing post HS.SidneysDogHouse wrote:Along with a few other posters on this thread, I too have been involved with goalies for years, and the evolution, revolution, destruction, whatever you call it, is sort of sad to see. With that said, this is what happens when there is no real voice of reason. Goalies 5-10 years ago just stopped the puck, and if you were good enough, then you made it to juniors or college and played. Now it's about pro hockey, the once illustrious HS days are going away in leau of a college scholarship and the potential of playing pro hockey. There were very few US goalies playing in the NHL for many years, if you weren't Canadien or European, you were laughed at. The change needed to happen, but I think the ball was kicked out of bounds. Too many good goalies are falling aside even though there are more opportunities than ever to play post high school.
The problem is, now...size matters, yet the goals scored at both the college and pro level have actually gone up slight over the past 10 years, even with taller goalies and bigger equipment. At some point, and I think it's starting to happen, (thanks to Jonathan Quick), the 6-2 and taller goalies fad is starting to crack. They aren't coached at a young age to play anything but on their knees, if you notice the better goalies (generally European) they skate very well, and use their feet to move, not their knees. If you're 6'-2", the force on your lower body is so great that the weakest link starts to go...the hips. Goalie "lower body" injuries are all too common, even as young as HS! Not to generalize all tall goalies, many of them are great, but I think the perception is they're an absolute necessity. I've witnessed many "smaller" goalies in camps (HS, junior and college) who outplayed a taller kid, but guess who got picked? Take a look at the Elite roster...they're all tall! Hmmm.....? You can't coach size...I guess!
Lastly, and it's apparent I haven't had enough coffee yet, in defense of the Advanced and Elite programs, they have to have something to baseline with. In most cases this is a goalies save percentage and GAA. Set a minimum (they do use 90% SP), but also a minimum number of games played for a look in Elite (at least 10 games). Set drills in tryouts that separate goalies (and will generally show weak skaters), teach coaches how to work with goalies (no slap shots in the first 10 minutes!), teach goalies the game, not just angles! And...just like players, goalies cannot be selected by just one guy!!!
Okay, I need coffee in a bad way! END RANT.
The first time I heard the rumor was on here. No idea how accurate it is but I would not be surprised as Boe is a good golfer. Seems odd to give up the winter sport to focus on golf when you can't get too much practice in during the winter in minnesota but who knows.WestMetro wrote:Green4
Do you have any info on the Boe golf vs hockey rumors? And if he will not be starting goalie, then who are you favoring for Hornets starting goalie? Im pasting in your May 2nd thoughts from a different thread.
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Green4 May 2nd 2014
Boe should be starting goalie. Similar size to Rohkol but most consider Boe to be a little bit better skill wise. The back-up spot will be interesting. If Giles goes off similar trends of having a back-up Junior goaltender than it will be Dunn. If he goes for probably the better goaltender at this point but meaning he would have two senior goaltenders than he would have Enriquez.