Girls Elite League

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:31 pm

goaline wrote:Public forum, with your private anonymous handle?

Which makes it even more important for me and everyone else on the Forum to be respectful of others, especially the players.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 10:44 pm

MNHockeyFan wrote:
goaline wrote:I expect the purpose of "forum" is to have a dialogue on issues, events and news related to the girls game. If we can't have critical discussion, or offer critique, regarding those things impacting HS hockey then we might as well stick to posting scores.
I totally agree that it's fine to offer critique "on issues, events and news related to the girls game" but this is critiquing what is a purely personal decision - one that was theirs to make. I don't agree that questioning the motives of these individuals - either the girls themselves or their parents - is appropriate in a public forum.

It is not appropriate to question the motives of xyz in a public forum?

Every board on this forum questions motives, questions intent, questions viability and feasibility of every single thing hockey related. And some things that have very little to do with the game.

Why did he leave hs for juniors? Why did she leave a winning program? How did that coach not lose his job? Which AAA club is stronger? Does HP selection correlate with post hs success? Why are hockey parents so crazy? Why do grown men act like they base their own worth on the perceived talent of their kid? Who is going to win... Be recruited... Mr. Hockey... Why do people pretend they aren't affiliated with certain programs when that program is the only thing they ever post about?

Nearly every thread is a question , a challenge, an opinion. As long as we aren't saying "well Johnny Johnson is playing like crap" and "Andy Anderson is kidding himself if he thinks transferring to ... is going to mean he has a chance to start" and "I can't believe Sam Samuelson's parents rented an empty apartment so he can be varsity eligible..." Keep the shade in check.

Question all you want fellas. The motives, the intentions, the prophecies and fallacies, and the definition of elite. If we all refrain from saying things we wouldn't feel comfortable saying to the teams and players involved, I say have at it.

36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:49 am

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote:
goaline wrote:I expect the purpose of "forum" is to have a dialogue on issues, events and news related to the girls game. If we can't have critical discussion, or offer critique, regarding those things impacting HS hockey then we might as well stick to posting scores.
I totally agree that it's fine to offer critique "on issues, events and news related to the girls game" but this is critiquing what is a purely personal decision - one that was theirs to make. I don't agree that questioning the motives of these individuals - either the girls themselves or their parents - is appropriate in a public forum.
It is not appropriate to question the motives of xyz in a public forum?

Every board on this forum questions motives, questions intent, questions viability and feasibility of every single thing hockey related. And some things that have very little to do with the game.

Why did he leave hs for juniors? Why did she leave a winning program? How did that coach not lose his job? Which AAA club is stronger? Does HP selection correlate with post hs success? Why are hockey parents so crazy? Why do grown men act like they base their own worth on the perceived talent of their kid? Who is going to win... Be recruited... Mr. Hockey... Why do people pretend they aren't affiliated with certain programs when that program is the only thing they ever post about?

Nearly every thread is a question , a challenge, an opinion. As long as we aren't saying "well Johnny Johnson is playing like crap" and "Andy Anderson is kidding himself if he thinks transferring to ... is going to mean he has a chance to start" and "I can't believe Sam Samuelson's parents rented an empty apartment so he can be varsity eligible..." Keep the shade in check.

Question all you want fellas. The motives, the intentions, the prophecies and fallacies, and the definition of elite. If we all refrain from saying things we wouldn't feel comfortable saying to the teams and players involved, I say have at it.

NTMH..I don't think you are understanding MNHOCKEY's point. Last years forum was horrible. It was personal, venomous and tasteless all around. I am the first to poke fun, rattle someones cage, question a topic. However, making moral judgements of families and children without knowing facts on any subject irresponsible.

Mrs. Hockey, coaching jobs, rankings, etc. are all in the spirit of competition and great talkers. We teach our kids not to talk about other people without knowing facts, maybe we should hold ourselves to them same standards...myself included.

Yes, this is the place to hide behind a some fake name and stir the pot. However, I can speak for others that have been on this blog for many years, the blog was just a little too mean spirited last year and went to the "Dark Side" too often. With that said, looking forward to a few good arguments this year!

goaline · Post by **goaline** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:14 am

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:
MNHockeyFan wrote:
goaline wrote:I expect the purpose of "forum" is to have a dialogue on issues, events and news related to the girls game. If we can't have critical discussion, or offer critique, regarding those things impacting HS hockey then we might as well stick to posting scores.
I totally agree that it's fine to offer critique "on issues, events and news related to the girls game" but this is critiquing what is a purely personal decision - one that was theirs to make. I don't agree that questioning the motives of these individuals - either the girls themselves or their parents - is appropriate in a public forum.
It is not appropriate to question the motives of xyz in a public forum?

Every board on this forum questions motives, questions intent, questions viability and feasibility of every single thing hockey related. And some things that have very little to do with the game.

Why did he leave hs for juniors? Why did she leave a winning program? How did that coach not lose his job? Which AAA club is stronger? Does HP selection correlate with post hs success? Why are hockey parents so crazy? Why do grown men act like they base their own worth on the perceived talent of their kid? Who is going to win... Be recruited... Mr. Hockey... Why do people pretend they aren't affiliated with certain programs when that program is the only thing they ever post about?

Nearly every thread is a question , a challenge, an opinion. As long as we aren't saying "well Johnny Johnson is playing like crap" and "Andy Anderson is kidding himself if he thinks transferring to ... is going to mean he has a chance to start" and "I can't believe Sam Samuelson's parents rented an empty apartment so he can be varsity eligible..." Keep the shade in check.

Question all you want fellas. The motives, the intentions, the prophecies and fallacies, and the definition of elite. If we all refrain from saying things we wouldn't feel comfortable saying to the teams and players involved, I say have at it.

drop the puck · Post by **drop the puck** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:07 pm

Title of this thread should be changed.

Really nothing to do with the Elite League other than someone name dropping a new team and its roster that was supposedly asked to play. Maybe next year.

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:01 pm

36Guy wrote:
Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:Yes but getting As at Blake or Breck or Tonka does not equal getting As at BE. You don't think they were getting recruited from EGF already?
If...and I say "if" that was the reason, because I don't know. I'll ask you, do you think they would have left if they were happy with the exposure or recruiting they were getting?

My argument would be that if they were already maximizing their exposure if GF, they must had made the move just because they love hockey and wanted to play more.

Lets not pull any punches here, CP is promising scholarships if kids come to Bauer Emerson. Literally promising them. Do I think it's right? No. Do I think the program may help a kid? Maybe. Would I have my kid do it? Probably not. But when you dangle the carrot of a full scholarship in front of a talented kid, and tell them all they need is to play year round and you tell the parents how life will be so much easier for them when they don't have to pay for school...the Kool Aid looks mighty tasty.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 4:54 pm

But they are paying for school now? So pay now to save later?

I'd argue potential D1 puck players are already playing year round. And that the best MN players were getting scholarships with or without BE.

IMHO the biggest draw of a program like this is the consistent talent you play against both in games and in day to day practice. Playing against kids who are not your equal talent wise won't help development.

Plus those pesky classes in traditional schools... Haha.

For my family not an option. But I'm paying private school tuition for my son and soon for my daughter and nobody even promised them scholarships! We all have to do what's right for our own kids. Lots of flavors of Kool-aid.

And btw great message 36.

mnhockeyguy2014 · Post by **mnhockeyguy2014** » Tue Sep 23, 2014 7:02 pm

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:
IMHO the biggest draw of a program like this is the consistent talent you play against both in games and in day to day practice. Playing against kids who are not your equal talent wise won't help development.

Bingo NTMH! Glad someone can see it and admit it around here.... But I must disagree with you and Bowhunter that lasts years training year round over 300 hrs of quality instruction did not significantly help most or all of the Achiever kids last year.. They improved much more as a group then the team that will hang a State Tourney appearance banner from section 4A..... and from what I hear ACT scores on Achiever students are looking great this fall.

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:09 am

mnhockeyguy2014 wrote:
They improved much more as a group then the team that will hang a State Tourney appearance banner from section 4A.....and from what I hear ACT scores on Achiever students are looking great this fall.

Money "buys" ACT scores too. There are plenty of organizations out there that train to score well.

While many colleges continue to rely heavily on ACT scoring, studies now suggest success in college is best predicted by HS class/coursework rigor and HS student success. Of course there are exceptions to the rule ... this is simply a general consensus.

blondegirlsdad · Post by **blondegirlsdad** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:30 am

I concur.

My daughter is an average hockey player. But she's 4.0 at a great school taking AP & Honors classes. THAT got her noticed by good schools who would love to field a competitive team, but who have to deal with some really ridiculous acceptance standards at their top-ranked schools. And it's remarkable how many academic scholarships become available for women's hockey players.

Grades matter. Test scores matter. And if you're not one of the very top kids, they matter a lot more than a clever backhand move. So, the time you spend coaching her up on the ride home might be better spent helping her with her math.

Hansonbrother · Post by **Hansonbrother** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:42 pm

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:But they are paying for school now? So pay now to save later?

I'd argue potential D1 puck players are already playing year round. And that the best MN players were getting scholarships with or without BE.

IMHO the biggest draw of a program like this is the consistent talent you play against both in games and in day to day practice. Playing against kids who are not your equal talent wise won't help development.

Plus those pesky classes in traditional schools... Haha.

For my family not an option. But I'm paying private school tuition for my son and soon for my daughter and nobody even promised them scholarships! We all have to do what's right for our own kids. Lots of flavors of Kool-aid.

And btw great message 36.

Now I may be reading into this wrong, but when you say pay now and save later, you are in essence agreeing with CP and staff that if they go to BE, they in fact will be getting a scholarship...If that were really true, wouldn't every kid at SSM be getting a scholarship somewhere too? It seems to me that regardless of where you play, if you have the talent, the D1 schools seem to find you. I think kids coming from other schools without Tier 1 status are still getting there without the status of playing Tier 1. I refuse to believe that every kid on BE will be getting D1 money, as well as every kid that plays for SSM will too.
I'm curious to hear how the classroom part of BE is going, especially when I hear from some that their kids are already 7-8 weeks ahead of schedule...that alone frightens me

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:12 pm

I don't agree that this group of kids needs to pay for BE hockey academy to get scholarships. Their athletic and academic background was developed before they ever enrolled.

I personally pay private school tuition so my son can get into the best college based on great grades in a tough curriculum. Unlikely he will play college hockey other than a club or rec team, but the top tier schools he is looking at don't budge on academic enrollment standards for top athletes.

So in a way I'm paying now to save later. But most realistically I'm paying now to GET IN and prob pay more later.

mnhockeyguy2014 · Post by **mnhockeyguy2014** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:53 pm

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:I don't agree that this group of kids needs to pay for BE hockey academy to get scholarships. Their athletic and academic background was developed before they ever enrolled.

I personally pay private school tuition so my son can get into the best college based on great grades in a tough curriculum. Unlikely he will play college hockey other than a club or rec team, but the top tier schools he is looking at don't budge on academic enrollment standards for top athletes.

So in a way I'm paying now to save later. But most realistically I'm paying now to GET IN and prob pay more later.

"background was developed before they enrolled"... ...More words of genius NTMH!... No matter what somebody did "before" it makes a heck of a lot of difference on what they do "now" and in the "future" as far as where they end up athletically and academically!?.....Or can they coast on what they have accomplished "before"?

It happens a lot where athletes and students take foot off gas on one or other or both and drift into mediocrity.... Some parents want their kids to not just get to next level but be successful there and not ride bench and get cut in year or two. If the kid feels the same way and enjoys the hard work and sacrifice it takes to achieve that then decisions like going to BE are made by families.

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 2:18 pm

Read back and see what I wrote about why I think families are coming to BE and what the benefits of Tier 1 hockey are.

I've qualified every single thing I've said by only talking about THIS TEAM. THIS YEAR. Most of whom played somewhere else until they were 17 and 18. Will a single year at BE influence whether they got recruited? No. Will a single year influence how much they play and how well they do in college? Absolutely. Will they look back and wish their parents chose differently? Some yes, some no.

And dude, keep my name out your mouth. I'm not questioning why ur kid is playing at BE. You don't need to explain anything to the strangers on this board. But you protest too much.... If you want us to believe your daughter isn't at BE, you should post about something else once in awhile.

mnhockeyguy2014 · Post by **mnhockeyguy2014** » Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:02 pm

Nevertoomuchhockey wrote:Read back and see what I wrote about why I think families are coming to BE and what the benefits of Tier 1 hockey are.

I've qualified every single thing I've said by only talking about THIS TEAM. THIS YEAR. Most of whom played somewhere else until they were 17 and 18. Will a single year at BE influence whether they got recruited? No. Will a single year influence how much they play and how well they do in college? Absolutely. Will they look back and wish their parents chose differently? Some yes, some no.

And dude, keep my name out your mouth. I'm not questioning why ur kid is playing at BE. You don't need to explain anything to the strangers on this board. But you protest too much.... If you want us to believe your daughter isn't at BE, you should post about something else once in awhile.

I will continue to question your idealoligy NTMH when I feel like it NTMH! If you can't take it NTMH put the soap box away NTMH !

By the way this is a MN Girls HS forum not exclusive to your beloved MSHSL as you referenced on another thread.

InigoMontoya · Post by **InigoMontoya** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:41 am

I'm rubber and you're glue...

drop the puck · Post by **drop the puck** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 1:52 pm

mnhockeyguy2014 wrote: . Some parents want their kids to not just get to next level but be successful there and not ride bench and get cut in year or two. If the kid feels the same way and enjoys the hard work and sacrifice it takes to achieve that then decisions like going to BE are made by families.

Won't half of the players on B-E ride the pine too or is it equal play on the Revolution team ?

As you move up each level, some players simply lack the skill set or natural born talent that other recruits have and come to the realization that they are working hard just to remain on the third or fourth line and not become a "healthy scratch".

If this team is truly Tier 1 ... some girls who were top line on their HS must fall to 3/4 line players and miss those powerplay opps, etc... I guess the argument is these players improve in practice because of that high tempo ??

Otter · Post by **Otter** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:08 pm

drop the puck wrote: .......If this team is truly Tier 1 ... some girls who were top line on their HS must fall to 3/4 line players and miss those powerplay opps, etc...

That ain't gonna happen on this team--there are names here that didn't make Varsity on their HS teams.

mnhockeyguy2014 · Post by **mnhockeyguy2014** » Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:17 pm

Otter wrote:
drop the puck wrote: .......If this team is truly Tier 1 ... some girls who were top line on their HS must fall to 3/4 line players and miss those powerplay opps, etc...
That ain't gonna happen on this team--there are names here that didn't make Varsity on their HS teams.

Hey Otter tell us again about no MN girls play for SSM!

Otter · Post by **Otter** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:30 pm

mnhockeyguy2014 wrote:
Otter wrote:
drop the puck wrote: .......If this team is truly Tier 1 ... some girls who were top line on their HS must fall to 3/4 line players and miss those powerplay opps, etc...
That ain't gonna happen on this team--there are names here that didn't make Varsity on their HS teams.
Hey Otter tell us again about no MN girls play for SSM!

You are the pettiest little worm I've ever seen on this forum and I hate dragging myself down to your level and having to answer your pettiness, but here is a roster from last year. I said that there was I believe only one Minnesotan on the roster. If you can identify more than one here, let's have it you little petty worm. I'll give you a hint on the ONE (Cloquet). Now I will never answer you again, you petty female little worm.

Maddie Rolfes
Jessica Sherman
Josefine Hansen
Sloan Sullivan
Morgan McKim
Lindsay Oden
Emma Turbyville
Melissa Samoskevich
Taylor Schwalbe
Hannah England
Brooke Morgan
Kourtney Menches
Ryan Little
Brooke Boquist
Haley Ketola
Baylee Wellhausen
Audrey Warner
Brooke Ahbe
Megan DuBois

Nevertoomuchhockey · Post by **Nevertoomuchhockey** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:56 pm

That would be Ketola, Cloquet.
And Oden from Edina by way of Isanti.

nu2hockey · Post by **nu2hockey** » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:04 pm

I count 6 girls playing for SSM this year.

Otter, why do you think BE is not a tier 1 team?
I ask because tier 1 is new to most of minnesota
including myself . I was hoping to catch some game to see what it is all about.

mnhockeyguy2014 · Post by **mnhockeyguy2014** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:42 am

Otter wrote:
mnhockeyguy2014 wrote:
Otter wrote: That ain't gonna happen on this team--there are names here that didn't make Varsity on their HS teams.
Hey Otter tell us again about no MN girls play for SSM!
You are the pettiest little worm I've ever seen on this forum and I hate dragging myself down to your level and having to answer your pettiness, but here is a roster from last year. I said that there was I believe only one Minnesotan on the roster. If you can identify more than one here, let's have it you little petty worm. I'll give you a hint on the ONE (Cloquet). Now I will never answer you again, you petty female little worm.

Maddie Rolfes
Jessica Sherman
Josefine Hansen
Sloan Sullivan
Morgan McKim
Lindsay Oden
Emma Turbyville
Melissa Samoskevich
Taylor Schwalbe
Hannah England
Brooke Morgan
Kourtney Menches
Ryan Little
Brooke Boquist
Haley Ketola
Baylee Wellhausen
Audrey Warner
Brooke Ahbe
Megan DuBois

Petty??

You said "No MN girls on prep team. Maybe they moved a few back and forth from 16U but you knew FOR SURE there were no graduating seniors."

You were wrong on all accounts.

2 MN girls on Prep last year,
1 MN graduating senior last year.
3 MN girls on 16U last year.
They never move girls back and forth on girls teams at SSM in Season from Prep and 16U like HS and JV.

Your SSM expertise was extremely flawed and I set you and this forum straight on it with records available to everyone,

If you pass off crap as fact don't cry when exposed. You must be a big girl by now?

mnhockeyguy2014 · Post by **mnhockeyguy2014** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:57 am

Otter wrote:
drop the puck wrote: .......If this team is truly Tier 1 ... some girls who were top line on their HS must fall to 3/4 line players and miss those powerplay opps, etc...
That ain't gonna happen on this team--there are names here that didn't make Varsity on their HS teams.

BE is currently doing fine in MN elite league and is Ranked about 10 or 11 in early rankings for 19U Tier 1 out of 41. Not bad for having names on team that could not make their HS teams? Also BE has girls with Varsity experience on their 16U team,

Bulldog3489 · Post by **Bulldog3489** » Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:27 am

I don't believe BE has or will play any of the three elite league teams.

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