nu2hockey wrote:For 7,8, and 9th graders, if they are open enrolled into a public school they are fully eligible to immediately participate . Residency is not an issue . They keep residency in Duluth (for example) , attend a public school in the cities , either fly in every morning in their jet or sleepover at a house in the metro somewhere.
Same with a private school , except open enrollment not necessary.
The point being , the residency rules don't apply
Bingo! Then once you are at that school in ninth grade you can continue to go to that school regardless of where your parents legally reside.
nu2hockey wrote:For 7,8, and 9th graders, if they are open enrolled into a public school they are fully eligible to immediately participate . Residency is not an issue . They keep residency in Duluth (for example) , attend a public school in the cities , either fly in every morning in their jet or sleepover at a house in the metro somewhere.
Same with a private school , except open enrollment not necessary.
The point being , the residency rules don't apply
Absolutely true! I understand the residency rule and that is absolutely true.
I was asking for clarification regarding the statement from CoyoteWheels, as my understanding of what he said was that a 9th grader can establish residency with a “host family”, not using the open enrollment option. If my understanding is incorrect on what CoyoteWheels was referencing, please let me know and my apologies to him (or her). I guess it wouldn’t be the first time I didn’t read something right (females tell me so all the time).
mnhockeyguy2014 wrote:If it's a High School in MN it's MN High School Hockey. It appears the MN Elite League agrees with me. BE and SSM have players from out of state but so does our recent MSHSL AA State Champion HM among others.
If you don't like the thread Tenover don't read it. It sure appears there is plenty of interest in it though by the number of hits.
Although I have no real personal interest in the initial topic, I don’t take issue if this is on this page as I can decide which post I want to open or not, and it is still a hockey subject. Also, the rights to hockey topics without real depth, information or interest aren’t just exclusive to those of actual MN “High School
You could have stopped here and kept it from being one of the longest posts on a thread you do not have interest in. Guess we won't be seeing you again then?
Btw.. (whatever that means) in reference to MN Elite agrees with me is that Elite league wants all the Elite players going to HS in MN and not just those in the MSHSL making it a bigger and better tournament for all. MN Elite recognizes the MN Tier 1 programs as MN High School Elite! Am I wrong there Wiz?
Ok, ill dance to the music one more time.
I didn’t understand your comment as when you reference the Elite league and your description of their goals and position on HS hockey, you continue to reference SSM and BE in that category. Yes, they want all Elite players going to HS in MN and add SSM to the game schedule making it a bigger and better tournament for all. I think where your perception is blurred is that you verbally combine the two by saying because they compete in the league, then they are “recognized” as MN High School Elite thus making them a regular MN HS Hockey team. I guess I don’t see the leap. I would agree with that position if players from SSM were mixed in on the different 6 teams listed on the website for the Elite League. Every player on the rosters for the 6 Elite teams listed are all from MSHSL teams.
I am not bashing SSM nor BE. I know players on BE and have always thought highly of SSM for what they have built over the years and the talent they develop. Tier 1 hockey DOES have a place and I hope it continues as all players have different needs and do not always fit into one glass. I am merely debating the leap that SSM is a MN HS hockey team just like all teams in the MSHL because they compete in the Elite league. SSM and BE are Tier 1 hockey teams as you are proud to point out, not traditional MN HS teams as we watch from late October until late February.
Although I have no real personal interest in the initial topic, I don’t take issue if this is on this page as I can decide which post I want to open or not, and it is still a hockey subject. Also, the rights to hockey topics without real depth, information or interest aren’t just exclusive to those of actual MN “High School
You could have stopped here and kept it from being one of the longest posts on a thread you do not have interest in. Guess we won't be seeing you again then?
Btw.. (whatever that means) in reference to MN Elite agrees with me is that Elite league wants all the Elite players going to HS in MN and not just those in the MSHSL making it a bigger and better tournament for all. MN Elite recognizes the MN Tier 1 programs as MN High School Elite! Am I wrong there Wiz?
Ok, ill dance to the music one more time.
I didn’t understand your comment as when you reference the Elite league and your description of their goals and position on HS hockey, you continue to reference SSM and BE in that category. Yes, they want all Elite players going to HS in MN and add SSM to the game schedule making it a bigger and better tournament for all. I think where your perception is blurred is that you verbally combine the two by saying because they compete in the league, then they are “recognized” as MN High School Elite thus making them a regular MN HS Hockey team. I guess I don’t see the leap. I would agree with that position if players from SSM were mixed in on the different 6 teams listed on the website for the Elite League. Every player on the rosters for the 6 Elite teams listed are all from MSHSL teams.
I am not bashing SSM nor BE. I know players on BE and have always thought highly of SSM for what they have built over the years and the talent they develop. Tier 1 hockey DOES have a place and I hope it continues as all players have different needs and do not always fit into one glass. I am merely debating the leap that SSM is a MN HS hockey team just like all teams in the MSHL because they compete in the Elite league. SSM and BE are Tier 1 hockey teams as you are proud to point out, not traditional MN HS teams as we watch from late October until late February.
We good now?
Here is the 2 facts that are being overlooked: Tier 1 is U19 and U16. Not to many 19 year olds attending high school. High school hockey is governed by MSHSL and Tier 1 by USA hockey. These posting belong in the AAA section. Being a father of a current Tier 1 player and a high school players I think it makes sense. Anyone can scrimmage anyone or play a random game or 2, but the leagues they are in determines what they are.
Thank you for the voice of reason and logic coachk.
BE is the only team in Elites with "PG" listed for some skaters as their grade level. Guess the AA 2014-2015 season didn't get them to college puck.
And BE parents - no one is saying Tier 1 isn't relevant, legit, and sometimes even interesting. I think we take issue with putting traditional MSHL schools into the same category as Tier 1. Let every A and AA team allow transfers in at any time with no risk to eligibility, and allow each A and AA team to have up to 5 girls who have already graduated? Not to mention unlimited ice time and travel.
It's not the model. It's not the players. It's not even the parents. It definitely not resistance to change. It's just not high school hockey. Even Shattuck doesn't roster post-grad players.
But then again, their 2014 seniors didn't have to overcome the AA stigma to get recruited.
U10Father wrote:It's a legit thread, but it's legit in the AAA forum. Many of us would love to not have to read these things in this forum.
Some may despise the MN High School Tier 1 programs in our State of Hockey if they choose but they are here to stay!
We don't have any MN High School Tier 1 programs. Shattuck is not a High School and have never described themselves as such. BE doesn't claim to be a High School either. Go to their website and see if you can find the words, "High School," Then we'll talk.
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Yes Tier 1 teams can be very different. Some have a school attached and some do not. T-bred's as Coach K knows did not have a school of their own and could attend any school they wished. Most Tier 1 teams do not have a school requirement therefore many of them tend to be older girls nationally and internationally. Many 19U team are loaded with post grads and 16Us can be loaded with Juniors in HS.
The 2 current Tier 1 programs in Minnesota do have a school requirement because that is how they were originally set up and approved. BE and SSM players must be enrolled in their school in order to play on their teams. BE does have 3 post grads that simply need to take at least 1 Class which can be an post grad AP class to get a college credit. Post grad play on a Tier 1 team is becoming more and more common as another year of training/playing/developing before college play. I believe at least 2 of BEs post grads have committed to play D1 next year. Brown and UMD. (both AA girls)
It's pretty much the same as the boys playing a year of juniors before the big show. Some are committed and some are still working to try and get there.
U10Father wrote:It's a legit thread, but it's legit in the AAA forum. Many of us would love to not have to read these things in this forum.
Some may despise the MN High School Tier 1 programs in our State of Hockey if they choose but they are here to stay!
We don't have any MN High School Tier 1 programs. Shattuck is not a High School and have never described themselves as such. BE doesn't claim to be a High School either. Go to their website and see if you can find the words, "High School," Then we'll talk.
Have you ever seen Randy Shaver's "Prep Sports Extra" on HS sports? You should email him and tell him to quit calling HS Prep as many do.
They call themselves Prep Schools
Preparatory school
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Maybe all the privates in the MSHSL are not High Schools either???
Though early game results usually are very poor indicators, it is interesting that one poll has
5 MN teams in their top 10....
6 in the top 12 even...This week anyway
Colleges are starting their seasons,
Associations are starting up,
The NIT at Fogerty is in 2 weeks
MSHSL follows shortly,
The start of girls hockey is a great time of the year.
mnhockeyguy2014 wrote:
Some may despise the MN High School Tier 1 programs in our State of Hockey if they choose but they are here to stay!
We don't have any MN High School Tier 1 programs. Shattuck is not a High School and have never described themselves as such. BE doesn't claim to be a High School either. Go to their website and see if you can find the words, "High School," Then we'll talk.
Have you ever seen Randy Shaver's "Prep Sports Extra" on HS sports? You should email him and tell him to quit calling HS Prep as many do.
They call themselves Prep Schools
Preparatory school
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Preparatory school or prep school may refer to:
University-preparatory school, a high school in North America, either private or public, designed to prepare students aged 14–18 for higher education at a university or college
If they aren't part of the MSHSL, then it's not MN High School hockey. I think that's all people are trying to tell you. I know a lot of kids who attend High School and play in the USHL too. They aren't playing High School Hockey either.
f.r. - the Mn Dept of Ed considers both SSM & B-E
high schools..
their teams are their school teams, the boys in the
USHL are not playing on their school's team.
f.r. - the Mn Dept of Ed considers both SSM & B-E
high schools..
their teams are their school teams, the boys in the
USHL are not playing on their school's team.
It's probably a silly debate when you think about it, but sometimes that's what we do here. Before I got sucked into it my only question was, "What's the point of specifically adding a AAA forum if we're not going to use it?" You could argue that the 03 Blades are Youth Hockey, since the kids that play for them are Youth. But no reasonable person could argue that the Youth forum is a BETTER fit for discussions on the 03 Blades then the AAA forum. Just like nobody can argue that BE discussions are a BETTER fit for the High School forum than the AAA forum. Might as well just delete the AAA forum and save the bandwidth.
The wolfman likes to go to one place and read about high school aged kids and the few 19 year olds playing. wolfman says don't be moving the BE and SSM talk to the AAA thread. The Wolfman loves High school girls hockey but likes to hear about the beautiful people.
Wish you would quote where the MSHSL defines your Tier 1 team a high school team.
You can't it does not exist.
I offer the first items in a list of reasons how BE Tier 1 model hockey CONTRADICTS high school rules.
1. MN high schools can only practice, scrimmage, and play games in a limited season. They are limited in amounts of both games and periods allowed in a season or day.
2. MN high school hockey players must be in good academic standing as full time students on track for graduation.
3. MN high schools and ADs are strictly limited by transfer rules after 9th grade.
4. MN high school sports and activities are organized so that there are NEVER high school graduates and ALMOST NEVER 20 year olds.
5. (If anyone would like to pick this up here, I'm bored. And I also will be busy looking up "prep.")
6.
7.
8, 9, 10.....
11. If you ask a BE player what high school they play for, they will answer they don't play high school. They "play Tier 1 which is completely different."
Your skaters left high school hockey for great, good, unknown, terrible, or ridiculous reasons. Each player most likely a unique reason. What do they all have in common? THEY ALL LEFT HIGH SCHOOL HOCKEY.
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FYI, two MN schools that have high school aged students are currently ranked #2 and #3 in the nation at the 19U Tier 1 level. Isn't that awsome for Girls that are high school aged in this state?
FYI, two MN schools that have high school aged students are currently ranked #2 and #3 in the nation at the 19U Tier 1 level. Isn't that awsome for Girls that are high school aged in this state?
Can't we all just love one another!
While I appreciate your vigor, frankly the opponents BE has played against only one is a Tier 1 team (Fury). Kind of misleading to be rated above Assebet.
Nice work girls at BE last weekend in the 5 games to move up the rankings.
I see SSM Prep had weekend off but face Black , Red and White Elites this weekend at SSM. 16U SSM faces Royal, Sky and Grey. Great hockey down in Faribault this weekend. Lots of scouts will surely be on hand like last weekend at Fogerty ...... Then comes the NIT the following weekend that will be more great match ups for 3 full days with many out of state teams joining the MN teams..... then following is big Bash in Detroit!
2 Nations and USA-Canada Cup tourney's both going at once. Many MN girls going to Motor City! 48 19U teams and 41 16U/17U teams plus 14U brackets between 2 tourneys! Awesome! Lots to discuss!!
FYI, two MN schools that have high school aged students are currently ranked #2 and #3 in the nation at the 19U Tier 1 level. Isn't that awsome for Girls that are high school aged in this state?
Can't we all just love one another!
While I appreciate your vigor, frankly the opponents BE has played against only one is a Tier 1 team (Fury). Kind of misleading to be rated above Assebet.
CoachK,
The rankings are what they are. I realize it's a long season and the rankings will change but it's kinda nice to see MN representing early on isn't it? Where did the Tbreds end up in the rankings at the end of last season?
I was going to ask if the T-breds ever beat Chicago Fury in a series that would give Coach cause to scoff at early start but I think Coyote answered that.
Thanks
mnhockeyguy2014 wrote:I was going to ask if the T-breds ever beat Chicago Fury in a series that would give Coach cause to scoff at early start but I think Coyote answered that.
Thanks
Really. nice bash of a Minnesota team with 8 skaters and a goalie. Everyone of those girls represented Minnesota very well with their guts and determination as they faced bigger stronger teams all season long. Many coaches commented as to their guts. I would think it would be better for others to tell you how great you are without having to point it out all the time yourself. I don't know why I even read this forum. All people love to do is talk up how everything Minnesota is perfect and the rest of the county is clueless. I think its so sad that you would say things about a Minnesota team, especially since they don't even exist anymore. When BE puts the amount of players in college hockey the Thoroughbreds have, then they can brag.
