Celebrations

[alcloseshaver]

Old topic but curious if any officials know what the National HS Federation points of emphasis are pertaining to over doing it on the Celly's and taunting. Sever penalties in FB and BB have helped curtail this behavior but in hockey I want to know what a good solution is while maintaing respectful enthusiasm. The Blaine kid last night went right the ER bench after his empty netter and taunted them. Of course an ER player clocked him from the bench. Just shouldn't happen. What happened to respect for the game, opponents and even your own coaches.

[thestickler07]

If you are gonna celly a EN goal in front of the losing team's bench you deserve what you get.

[imlisteningtothefnsong]

He probably got the idea after watching the Russian player celly hard in front of the Canadian bench during the gold medal game last week. Happens at all levels, disproportionate amount of testosterone to brains ratio.

[goldy313]

Here's the actual hockey rule: 6-1
Article 1: No player shall display any unsportsmanlike conduct, or act in any way to taunt an opponent into incurring a penalty (e.g. threatening, dropping the gloves or stick, abusive language, gestures, intentionally spraying the goalkeeper or banging sticks on the ice or boards) during the warm-up, during the progress of the game, or during an intermission, or following the game.

there are abunch more but not really related to the original topic.

Here is the actual football rule: 9-5 for players
Article 1:No player shall act in an unsportsmanlike manner once the game officials assume authority for the contest. Examples are, but not limited to:
a) baiting or taunting acts or words or insignia worn which engenders ill will.
note The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed to embarrass, ridicule, or demean others under any circumstances including the basis of religion, gender, or national origin.
b) using profanity, insulting or vulgur language or gestures.
c) Any delayed, excessive or prolonged act by which a player attempts to focus attention on himself.
g) refusing to comply with a game officials request

Article 2: When the ball becomes dead in possesion of a player, he shall not:
a) intentionally kick the ball
b) spike the ball into the ground

9-8 for coaches...the same as players except these
b) attempting to influence a decision by a game official
d) indicating objections to an officials decision

You can see from the rules that football is a lot more strict when it comes to unsportsmanlike conduct, hockey doesn't even define what unsportsmanlike conduct is. I'm not sure why the stark differences in the two by the same governing body. Sportsmanship should be sportsmanship.

[alcloseshaver]

Thanks Goldy, That is exactly what I was looking for. Officials jurisdiction ends when they leave the ice or playing field so you could be punished after time has expired. Any ejections would be punished by sitting out the next game. Sure tough to manage in hockey.

[InigoMontoya]

It isn't tough to manage. Lacrosse seems to manage pretty well.

[the_juiceman]

Old topic but curious if any officials know what the National HS Federation points of emphasis are pertaining to over doing it on the Celly's and taunting. Sever penalties in FB and BB have helped curtail this behavior but in hockey I want to know what a good solution is while maintaing respectful enthusiasm. The Blaine kid last night went right the ER bench after his empty netter and taunted them. Of course an ER player clocked him from the bench. Just shouldn't happen. What happened to respect for the game, opponents and even your own coaches.

now that's the Blaine team we all know and hate. The more they change, the more they stay the same.

[DrGaf]

My kid has the best goal celly I've ever seen.

He screams and then stands up and reaches over the boards to fist bump the kids on the ice.

[alcloseshaver]

My kid has the best goal celly I've ever seen.

He screams and then stands up and reaches over the boards to fist bump the kids on the ice.

He doesn't go over to the other student section and do a Terrell Owens?

[Mite-dad]

Here's a novel idea. Kid cellies way to much in front of opponent's bench. Kid's coach sits him for a period or two or for a game. Kid quits being an idiot.

[hockey9011]

Here's a novel idea. Kid cellies way to much in front of opponent's bench. Kid's coach sits him for a period or two or for a game. Kid quits being an idiot.

coming from someone who has recently played high school hockey, some coaches do do this. My own coach did it to one of our players in my senior year and i watched a rival coach do the same thing when their played made a gesture at our bench. I wish more would do it

[WCHBlog]

Here's a novel idea. Kid cellies way to much in front of opponent's bench. Kid's coach sits him for a period or two or for a game. Kid quits being an idiot.

Yeah, that was the MSHSL's plan. Last year, coaches were supposed to police excessive celebrations and sit their players if necessary. The problem was that all the good players were the ones that kept scoring and celebrating.

[MNHockeyFan]

Honestly back in the dark ages when I played when you scored you just raised your stick, then maybe one of your teammates would skate over and give you a little tap on your shinpads with his stick.

Question: which team in hockey was the first to have the goal scorer skate along by the bench and have everybody give him a high-five? Now I don't know of any team that doesn't do this.

[elliott70]

Perhaps the ref skates to scorers table and gives the scoring, then hastens to the face-off circle and drops the puck.

If you are not there the game starts without you..........

[YearbookWontClose]

I think this should be more of a parental or team issue rather than a league wide rule. If a kid is cocky and wants to flaunt himself, the refs should let him. Just let the coaches, parents, and other team "punish" him if they want to.

[alcloseshaver]

Leaving it up the parents and coaches The officials play a very important role.

[notTONIGHT]

Celly's that directly "taunt" an opponent should be penalized. I.E. Directed at an player on the ice or on the bench. Other than that, let the kids have fun! The young generations loves seing Tommy Novak flying across the ice, or shooting a quick arrow. The old "salute" by Jagr was a classic. Celly's in my opinion have become a fabric of the game. Especially nowadays.

You gotta love it!

[fastncrash]

Barring anything vulgar, or directed at the opponent... let'em be kids.

But, I would like to see a clock on the amount of time is allowed...

[Froggy Richards]

Honestly back in the dark ages when I played when you scored you just raised your stick, then maybe one of your teammates would skate over and give you a little tap on your shinpads with his stick.

Question: which team in hockey was the first to have the goal scorer skate along by the bench and have everybody give him a high-five? Now I don't know of any team that doesn't do this.

Cloquet doesn't do it. Coach Esse doesn't allow it. I've never liked it but I can't explain exactly why. I just think it looks out of place. If I was a High School coach I would teach my kids to score and all of them race back to the faceoff circle and immediately get ready for the faceoff. I think that would be intimidating to the other team. Just all business, scoring is what we do and we can't wait to get the next one. I really hate the individual, "Look at me" celebrations. Go find the kid who passed it to you and then get back to the circle. To me, that is really classy.

[hawkhockey]

I'm only a few years out of high school hockey but here's my take.

I love seeing a kid go bonkers after he scores a goal as long as it's in the moment and its a reaction to scoring. What I can stand is the kid that scores and takes several strides, sometimes pushing through teammates, so he can get enough open ice to drop to a knee and rub the ice or something else that they've been planning since summer. Connor Hurley skating to the blue line so he could touch ice and point to the student section in the second deck at the X a few years ago sticks out to me as one of the more obnoxious ones. Kids like him (very talented) seem to be the worst at it. Players that score 20 or 30 times in a season and still celly hard every time make it seem like its more about the celly than scoring a goal for your team.

If someone scores a goal in a tight or tense game and wants to drop to a knee or something I love to see that emotion that makes a game fun. But when he avoids his teammates it's just seeking attention. Now the most theatric cellys I ever saw out of my teammates was skating to the student section. I don't know what the reaction would have been if someone did much else but then again we didn't score much to warrant dancing around. I'm less than 5 years out of hockey but I can't stand to see the way many players treat their opponents on the ice. Early twenties and I already feel like an old guy when I go to a game.

[almostashappy]

Comment #1: Kids adjust to whatever is tolerated. This is especially apparent when they play more than one sport. Funny how the cellys disappear just as soon as a kid is playing a sport and/or for a coach that doesn't tolerate excessive celebrations.

Comment #2: I'm far more tolerant of cellys within the appropriate context.

When a first-line forward scores a garbage time goal in a running time blow-out regular season game?

When that same kid scores a short-handed overtime post-season goal and skates towards his school's student section?

[Ogie]

Old topic but curious if any officials know what the National HS Federation points of emphasis are pertaining to over doing it on the Celly's and taunting. Sever penalties in FB and BB have helped curtail this behavior but in hockey I want to know what a good solution is while maintaing respectful enthusiasm. The Blaine kid last night went right the ER bench after his empty netter and taunted them. Of course an ER player clocked him from the bench. Just shouldn't happen. What happened to respect for the game, opponents and even your own coaches.

On one hand, I like exuberance and cellys as spontaneous expressions.

OTOH, I'm finding a lot of them kind of repetitious and unimaginative...Can't you guys do anything more inventive than gliding on your knee and sweeping the ice?

As far as taunting goes, antics like HM's Jake Witt hanging on the glass and taunting Mahtomedi's student section, and similar such churlish hijinx, should result in ejection...If you can be tossed from the rink for acting like that on the spectator side, then it should apply even more so for the players who should know better.