Minnetonka Bench Shortening

inthestands · Post by **inthestands** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:44 pm

36Guy wrote:
36Guy wrote:
Jiblet wrote:Up 7-2 in a playoff game and Tonka still can't put their 3rd or 4th line out for some experience? They must have zero confidence in those girls!
Clueless..played everyone. Check the box score, it was a Jv kid not even a 3rd liner in the penalty box, in addition our 3rd line left wing had goals in the 1st and 2nd period, so unless she scored from the bench, she played! #24 played 4th line all year and had an assist and #4 also had a great assist. Check the score sheet it doesn't lie. No problem with anyones take. PLEASE WRITE ACCURATE INFORMATION!

36, why would you bring facts into this thread..

wolfman · Post by **wolfman** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:57 pm

Facts don't lie. The Wolfman is not a coach but if the Wolfman was he would play his best kids at ALL costs.

Jiblet · Post by **Jiblet** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:06 pm

I guess rolling 3 lines and having a share time in net worked really well for Maple Grove tonight. Maybe next year Crimson fans!

Defensive Zone · Post by **Defensive Zone** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:39 am

PondHockeyChampion wrote:"Coaches are really the most important and influential individuals in youth and high school hockey. The head coach is responsible for creating the atmosphere for the players and parents. It does take a courageous individual to lead people in a direction that might be considered different than others. It takes a committed coach to ensure that every player on the team gets the opportunity to learn, develop and play.
Good coaches will work hard with the lower-skilled players to bring them up to the level of the other players. Lazy coaches simply shorten their bench and take the easy route. In the end, short benches will work on the scoreboard about 50 percent of the time, but at season’s end, very rarely will the strategy work as the participating players are tired, maybe injured and the rest of the kids not really part of the team.
Having to play several games over a playoff weekend and using a short bench approach is a quick road to elimination as several teams found out over the years when playing against my teams. I see this happen at the high school level also. Team means everybody; win, lose, tie together. At the end of the day, it is just a game.
Does it take courage to do the right thing? Not really. It simply means understanding what is really important and in hockey participation – learning, fun and playing the game are what matters to kids.
See you around the rink ...."

Agree 100%

Defensive Zone · Post by **Defensive Zone** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:39 am

PondHockeyChampion wrote:"Coaches are really the most important and influential individuals in youth and high school hockey. The head coach is responsible for creating the atmosphere for the players and parents. It does take a courageous individual to lead people in a direction that might be considered different than others. It takes a committed coach to ensure that every player on the team gets the opportunity to learn, develop and play.
Good coaches will work hard with the lower-skilled players to bring them up to the level of the other players. Lazy coaches simply shorten their bench and take the easy route. In the end, short benches will work on the scoreboard about 50 percent of the time, but at season’s end, very rarely will the strategy work as the participating players are tired, maybe injured and the rest of the kids not really part of the team.
Having to play several games over a playoff weekend and using a short bench approach is a quick road to elimination as several teams found out over the years when playing against my teams. I see this happen at the high school level also. Team means everybody; win, lose, tie together. At the end of the day, it is just a game.
Does it take courage to do the right thing? Not really. It simply means understanding what is really important and in hockey participation – learning, fun and playing the game are what matters to kids.
See you around the rink ...."

Agree 100%

sinbin · Post by **sinbin** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:55 pm

I think the bench needs to be shortened these days because all the state championship trophies sitting there take up too much room.

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:07 pm

I have heard after two Stanley Cups this coach knows nothing....
19 PRACTICE QUOTES: DARRYL SUTTER DECEMBER 19, 2014 3:56 PM
The games are such you’re not going to get by on shortening your bench. You might win tonight, but you’re not going to win tomorrow night.

inthestands · Post by **inthestands** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:13 pm

I find a few things in this thread interesting..

1. From what I've read, this is a thread about shortening a bench during a game, that didn't actually have a shortened bench.

2. Has anyone seen much women's college hockey? I've not witnessed a team play less than 3 lines, and many times there are additional players in that mix.

3. Making and NHL comparison is like comparing apples to pork chops..

4. High school hockey is nothing like college or the next steps up. I don't agree or disagree with any coaching decisions based in this thread. These coaches do what they feel best for their teams environment. None of them are perfect, and the same is true for their players, parents and on down the line.

royals dad · Post by **royals dad** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:21 pm

PondHockeyChampion wrote:I have heard after two Stanley Cups this coach knows nothing....
19 PRACTICE QUOTES: DARRYL SUTTER DECEMBER 19, 2014 3:56 PM
The games are such you’re not going to get by on shortening your bench. You might win tonight, but you’re not going to win tomorrow night.

Telling people who have won consistently over a long period, that they cant win consistently over a long period of time seems kind of stupid.

If you want to talk about how you think your daughter deserved better than a 3rd line spot on a team that uses 2 lines quite a bit fine, but most people will give you little love or respect on that. Just stop with the "you can never succeed" your just wrong.

allhoc11 · Post by **allhoc11** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:00 pm

defensive zone since you posted twice does that mean you agree 200%?

36Guy · Post by **36Guy** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:21 am

Defensive Zone wrote:
PondHockeyChampion wrote:"Coaches are really the most important and influential individuals in youth and high school hockey. The head coach is responsible for creating the atmosphere for the players and parents. It does take a courageous individual to lead people in a direction that might be considered different than others. It takes a committed coach to ensure that every player on the team gets the opportunity to learn, develop and play.
Good coaches will work hard with the lower-skilled players to bring them up to the level of the other players. Lazy coaches simply shorten their bench and take the easy route. In the end, short benches will work on the scoreboard about 50 percent of the time, but at season’s end, very rarely will the strategy work as the participating players are tired, maybe injured and the rest of the kids not really part of the team.
Having to play several games over a playoff weekend and using a short bench approach is a quick road to elimination as several teams found out over the years when playing against my teams. I see this happen at the high school level also. Team means everybody; win, lose, tie together. At the end of the day, it is just a game.
Does it take courage to do the right thing? Not really. It simply means understanding what is really important and in hockey participation – learning, fun and playing the game are what matters to kids.
See you around the rink ...."
Agree 100%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRGDcux4GEw

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:18 pm

36Guy wrote:
Defensive Zone wrote:
PondHockeyChampion wrote:"Coaches are really the most important and influential individuals in youth and high school hockey. The head coach is responsible for creating the atmosphere for the players and parents. It does take a courageous individual to lead people in a direction that might be considered different than others. It takes a committed coach to ensure that every player on the team gets the opportunity to learn, develop and play.
Good coaches will work hard with the lower-skilled players to bring them up to the level of the other players. Lazy coaches simply shorten their bench and take the easy route. In the end, short benches will work on the scoreboard about 50 percent of the time, but at season’s end, very rarely will the strategy work as the participating players are tired, maybe injured and the rest of the kids not really part of the team.
Having to play several games over a playoff weekend and using a short bench approach is a quick road to elimination as several teams found out over the years when playing against my teams. I see this happen at the high school level also. Team means everybody; win, lose, tie together. At the end of the day, it is just a game.
Does it take courage to do the right thing? Not really. It simply means understanding what is really important and in hockey participation – learning, fun and playing the game are what matters to kids.
See you around the rink ...."
Agree 100%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRGDcux4GEw

Almost ready to leave for the long cold trip trip into the city to watch some awesome hockey, I will certainly keep everyone updated and maybe I will see 36 standing in the corner again cheering for the magnificent 7, I mean magnificent 10.

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:14 pm

nice crowd, starting to fill up, too bad we were not at Ridder with both sections again as this would probably be a packed house. Warmups looked great, but confusing as there were more than ten skaters out there?

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:30 pm

interesting matchup already, not starting top line vs wayzata's top line, 36 looks all giddy with this new strategy

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:33 pm

OMG 35 secs in wayzata scores strategy backfires!!!!

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:40 pm

tonka hits pipe, outplaying wayzata, only a matter of time before the dam breaks and tonka scores

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:49 pm

tonka just misses on two on one, way goalie holding them in. It was the tonka move in passing over to the other move in, but denied shots 8-4 for tonka

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:51 pm

bench appears to already be getting shorter with 4 mins left in first

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:58 pm

Tonka scores! its the move in who evens it up under a min left phone is going to die will update later 36 looks giddy now

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:10 pm

choppy period overall, not a lot of flow, looks like the tonka coach over coached on this one........ and got burned 35 secs in, wayzata had the better play, tonka went to 2 lines majority of period to get the equalizer lets see who tonka coach starts for the 2nd and continues to mismatch lines. He put tonics top line out for every important face-off in the d zone when wayzata had theirs out there

good crowd, bands playing, good atmosphere

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:19 pm

WOW, one of the best chances by tonka and its the third line, shot hit the side of the net and that really makes 36 giddy seeing that shot

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:20 pm

oh no wayzata's big gun shaver scores on rebound 2-1 way

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:39 pm

end of two 2-1 wayzata, tonka coach mixing his lines up trying to stay with two, but now mixing in from 3rd to the second, keeping the move ins going every other shift. tonics top line looks a little gassed towards the end of period

predict a tonka win 3-2, they are just misfiring but controlled play

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:42 pm

Geez!! Just sit back and watch the game. You are obsessing!!

PondHockeyChampion · Post by **PondHockeyChampion** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:04 pm

tonka just missing, dam will soon break, great game