EP vs Benilde

buttonupyrovercoat · Post by **buttonupyrovercoat** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:34 am

There is no way #20 from Eden Prairie should be allowed to play again this season. Even setting aside his leaving the penalty box.

hockeygirl2 · Post by **hockeygirl2** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:37 am

Pretty clear 11 from BSM started the whole thing. Charging from inside the blueline. 20 from EP was deserving of a game suspension. Great video but it didn't show coaches so don't know what either did to stop it. Thanks Puck

Ozzie82 · Post by **Ozzie82** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:54 am

hockeygirl... Everyone agrees that BSM started it. It's indisputable. Please let it go. She doth protest too much.

warriors41 · Post by **warriors41** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:57 am

Seeing the video that was posted I would probably put more of the blame on EP, but that's just my opinion. Pretty stupid either way.

buttonupyrovercoat · Post by **buttonupyrovercoat** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:05 am

warriors41 wrote:Seeing the video that was posted I would probably put more of the blame on EP, but that's just my opinion. Pretty stupid either way.

Among the participants was Eden Prairie goalie Shaun Durocher, who received a major penalty but was not suspended.

“There was a lot of stuff going on in the corner that you couldn’t really see,” Durocher told a reporter after the game. “After I went in the corner, then it really got pretty vicious. I like to fight and stuff like that. I think it’s a big part of the game.”

http://www.startribune.com/sports/293428541.html

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:13 am

I know these are minors but who says this to a reporter? Have the parents or coaches taught these kids anything? Sad situation, but close the ranks Coach Smith.

green4 · Post by **green4** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:20 am

hockeygirl2 wrote:Pretty clear 11 from BSM started the whole thing. Charging from inside the blueline. 20 from EP was deserving of a game suspension. Great video but it didn't show coaches so don't know what either did to stop it. Thanks Puck

Than give him a charging penalty, I have no issue with that. There is time left on the clock and Benilde is trying to get the puck loose. Hitting a player is allowed.
I would blame #20 for Benilde if anyone, I could not see him during actual time but he grabbed a guy from behind and pulled him down after two EP kids started to push 11

Bluelightspecial · Post by **Bluelightspecial** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:27 am

Please don't hang me for saying this. Although I DO NOT condone fighting in high school sports. In a situation like this, when both teams are not penalized equally (BSM done for the year) I feel there needs to be another option for discipline. You can bet if KP's team had won, all his boys would be playing the next game.

SidneysDogHouse · Post by **SidneysDogHouse** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:33 am

KSTP.com has the best footage of the whole ordeal. Fast forward to 2:22 for the face off that lead to the mess.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:40 am

Bluelightspecial wrote:Please don't hang me for saying this. Although I DO NOT condone fighting in high school sports. In a situation like this, when both teams are not penalized equally (BSM done for the year) I feel there needs to be another option for discipline. You can bet if KP's team had won, all his boys would be playing the next game.

No they would not be playing. if the BSM kids are underclassman any suspensions would be applied next season.

Bluelightspecial · Post by **Bluelightspecial** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:43 am

alcloseshaver wrote:
Bluelightspecial wrote:Please don't hang me for saying this. Although I DO NOT condone fighting in high school sports. In a situation like this, when both teams are not penalized equally (BSM done for the year) I feel there needs to be another option for discipline. You can bet if KP's team had won, all his boys would be playing the next game.
No they would not be playing. if the BSM kids are underclassman any suspensions would be applied next season.

Next season.... Is that equal punishment?

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:47 am

Bluelightspecial wrote:
alcloseshaver wrote:
Bluelightspecial wrote:Please don't hang me for saying this. Although I DO NOT condone fighting in high school sports. In a situation like this, when both teams are not penalized equally (BSM done for the year) I feel there needs to be another option for discipline. You can bet if KP's team had won, all his boys would be playing the next game.
No they would not be playing. if the BSM kids are underclassman any suspensions would be applied next season.
Next season.... Is that equal punishment?

No, but what are the options? Can't take their birthdays away.

Bluelightspecial · Post by **Bluelightspecial** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:52 am

alcloseshaver wrote:
Bluelightspecial wrote:
alcloseshaver wrote:No they would not be playing. if the BSM kids are underclassman any suspensions would be applied next season.
Next season.... Is that equal punishment?
No, but what are the options? Can't take their birthdays away.

That's my point, I think there needs to be other options. What they would be, I don't know. Any idea's?

Goldyismoldy · Post by **Goldyismoldy** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:53 am

alcloseshaver wrote:
Bluelightspecial wrote:
alcloseshaver wrote:No they would not be playing. if the BSM kids are underclassman any suspensions would be applied next season.
Next season.... Is that equal punishment?
No, but what are the options? Can't take their birthdays away.

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Hockeyfan330 · Post by **Hockeyfan330** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:57 am

In regards to how the coaches reacted, I think it's fairly clear who handled it better. I know all of us love to hate on Pauly's haircut and emotional attitude but if you look at the video it's obvious that there are almost twice as many Eagles players fighting on the ice than BSM guys. 20 on EP absolutely embarrassed himself and his school by hitting that BSM kid without a helmet and he should be suspended. It's sad to see high school hockey come to this, but you've got to understand the emotions of these guys from both teams. If you play in that situation you'd understand. The EP goalie's comments on fighting is just ridiculous though.

xy · Post by xy » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:12 pm

Maybe he said more that Loren Nelson didn't use, but Pauly's quotes in the Hockey Hub/Star Tribune article, with a lukewarm "No one likes to see it end that way" followed by the usual stuff about "high energy" and a "charged environment", are a bit disappointing. If I were in his shoes my first words would have been how embarrassed I was and how disappointed I was in both teams and that what I saw was entirely unacceptable for high school sports. When those in power in any way justify what happened - as he's doing by talking about how emotional things are - they're sending an implicit message that what happened wasn't that bad. I wouldn't be all that surprised - or disappointed - if this resulted in new, much more draconian fighting rules.

Hockeyfan330 · Post by **Hockeyfan330** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:28 pm

xy wrote:Maybe he said more that Loren Nelson didn't use, but Pauly's quotes in the Hockey Hub/Star Tribune article, with a lukewarm "No one likes to see it end that way" followed by the usual stuff about "high energy" and a "charged environment", are a bit disappointing. If I were in his shoes my first words would have been how embarrassed I was and how disappointed I was in both teams and that what I saw was entirely unacceptable for high school sports. When those in power in any way justify what happened - as he's doing by talking about how emotional things are - they're sending an implicit message that what happened wasn't that bad. I wouldn't be all that surprised - or disappointed - if this resulted in new, much more draconian fighting rules.

I don't think either coach was as upset about the whole ordeal as you'd like them to be. In both Pauly and Smith's defense they were far away and probably focused on making sure their guys weren't hopping off the bench to join in rather than having their eyes glued on the fight itself. That being said, who knows whether they saw video of the fight before they were quoted.

hockey317 · Post by **hockey317** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:36 pm

Not condoning what the BSM players started but they were upset by the blown call of the officials on the goal. BSM thought there were too many men on the ice. If you go to the 1:27 mark of the KSTP video, I count 6 players celebrating that goal http://kstp.com/news/stories/s3713444.shtml. Poor officiating led to the whole thing.

Bonin2121 · Post by **Bonin2121** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:47 pm

Pretty sure a seventh player joins the celebration, so the video proves nothing on the too many men thing. Would need another angle.

PuckDaddy · Post by **PuckDaddy** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 12:50 pm

Players came off the bench to celebrate. There were more like 7 or 8 in the corner. It was part of the next line coming out for the face off.
I think the refs met to determine if the net came off before the puck crossed the line. Puck did cross the line before the goalie knockec the net off.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:20 pm

Eden Praire does suffer a larger penalty than BSM does and that is unfortunate but knowing the penalty the EP kids should have walked away best they could and it was obvious some players didn't.

The suspensions will have an effect on the next game but not penalizing the kids by rule would also have an effect on the game. Should Minnetonka suffer because the officials chose to ignore the rules? That's what happend at a game I was at Saturday, punches were thrown but the penalties weren't fighting so the winning team players can play in the championship game.
The rules are written, officials need to call the fouls and issue the penalties as written, not worry about how harsh the penalty is, the penalty is harsh to stop the foul.

It's probably a whole seperate topic but at some point the MSHSL needs to hold the coaches and schools responsible for blatantly bad sportsmanship, be it hockey or dance it's been a pretty rough stretch for sportsmanship the past week or so.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:58 pm

hockey317 wrote:Not condoning what the BSM players started but they were upset by the blown call of the officials on the goal. BSM thought there were too many men on the ice. If you go to the 1:27 mark of the KSTP video, I count 6 players celebrating that goal http://kstp.com/news/stories/s3713444.shtml. Poor officiating led to the whole thing.

Going out on a limb there in not condoning this. And once again we blame officials, with the abuse these officials take at all levels it is is amazing they are still around to officiate our HS games. Without officials it is just recess, so let's not pin this on the officials.

394 West · Post by **394 West** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:42 pm

alcloseshaver wrote:
hockey317 wrote:Not condoning what the BSM players started but they were upset by the blown call of the officials on the goal. BSM thought there were too many men on the ice. If you go to the 1:27 mark of the KSTP video, I count 6 players celebrating that goal http://kstp.com/news/stories/s3713444.shtml. Poor officiating led to the whole thing.
Going out on a limb there in not condoning this. And once again we blame officials, with the abuse these officials take at all levels it is is amazing they are still around to officiate our HS games. Without officials it is just recess, so let's not pin this on the officials.

Agree 100%

minus3db · Post by **minus3db** » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:10 pm

I agree with the pack that BSM didn't behave well, and EP didn't behave well.

I think one other poster mentioned this, and it shows on the KSTP video to some degree.

But, here is a key point in why I feel EP is more to blame for the escalation.

EP players from the bench joined the fight. #8 is clearly shown coming onto the screen and then checking/pushing/punching or whatever to a BSM player.

However, other than the boys from the penalty box, no BSM player came from the bench to join the fight.(I noticed this at the time as well). So, whatever small credit can be handed to anyone, give it to whoever kept the BSM bench still.

Don't believe me? count the players on the screen. Should be 5 EP plus goalie and 6 BSM. You'll see an extra from each team due to leaving penalty box. Then you'll see a lot of EP kids.

As for punishments, I think both schools should review the conduct on the ice by their players. Don't they sign some sort of code of conduct? I would imagine that starts with no drugs but it has to include a fighting or similar clause. Discipline for that would seem to include in-school suspensions or other school related punishment.

We all want to see the punishment dolled out on the ice(missed games, etc...) and I agree that EP will take the worst of it from that standpoint. However lets not forget that these are students and should be students first.(ok, I am being idealistic here but that's what it SHOULD be)

Anyway, shame on all the kids involved. It did not have to escalate to this.

OTB987 · Post by **OTB987** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:45 am

Blah blah blah

It was a tightly contested game that meant everything to the player participating. Nobody gave an inch the game and the emotions ran over and the kids on the ice, with all of their equipment on, starting wrestling and some punches were thrown.

You would hope that this would not happen but it did and it happens more than you think - the actions are not as obvious. Such as, a hard slash or spear or head contact at the buzzer is very common and carries a more genuine intent to injure that this fight.

So if this is so bad in your eyes than go watch tennis. Hockey is an emotional game especially when it is all or nothing.

Lastly, the kids on the ice got over it in about 30 seconds but the adults are having a hard time coming to terms with what they witnessed. Whatever.

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