Proctor Hockey wrote:
... The people involved with Proctor Hockey are the most genuine, committed, down to earth, hard working, would do anything for their kids people that you would find anywhere. There is nothing wrong with Proctor Hockey. ...
Do we need a new Arena? Yes. But to say we have no pride in it is ludicrous and shows you have no idea what you're talking about. Our kids in Proctor love our Arena and take an immense amount of pride in it. ... The state of Hockey in Proctor is strong, and to repeat, there is nowhere I would rather be.
Completely agree PH. Your Association put on a very nice 12UA Regional Tournament this weekend. Hospitality second to none, and your hard working volunteers had the arena and the ice in flawless condition. To top it off, my son had a great time playing pickup hockey on the outdoor rink with the local kids - rather than watch his sister and her teammates win a Region Championship. Proctor is indeed in good hands and you are rightly proud.
Thank you C_R. We take a lot of pride in hosting Tournaments so it's really great to hear someone say that. I'm really glad you enjoyed it and Congratulations to your Daughter. That's something those girls will be talking about for 50 years. Hopefully she wasn't upset with her brother for missing it.
MrBoDangles wrote:How it should be done:
-There should be one or two sections of only private schools that battle their way to the X..
- The days of town/city teams building great programs - through sweat and effort- only to get bumped by a planned out all star private school team needs to end.
- Public vs public - private vs private school sections and then meet at the X
- It's time for the MSHSL to stop bending over (backwards) and make things FAIR along all lines!
Isn't this a no brainer and the ONLY fair way to do things?
I think it would only BREATHE NEW LIFE into hockey in this state.
MrBoDangles wrote:How it should be done:
-There should be one or two sections of only private schools that battle their way to the X..
- The days of town/city teams building great programs - through sweat and effort- only to get bumped by a planned out all star private school team needs to end.
- Public vs public - private vs private school sections and then meet at the X
- It's time for the MSHSL to stop bending over (backwards) and make things FAIR along all lines!
Isn't this a no brainer and the ONLY fair way to do things?
I think it would only BREATHE NEW LIFE into hockey in this state.
Thoughts?
Every year would be different certainly but this year, with a single section, you would have Stillwater or Eastview replacing STA or Hill. Don't think it would make for better hockey at the X but I know some guys on here have said they would be more interested. My guess is LVN would be in favor.
MrBoDangles wrote:How it should be done:
-There should be one or two sections of only private schools that battle their way to the X..
- The days of town/city teams building great programs - through sweat and effort- only to get bumped by a planned out all star private school team needs to end.
- Public vs public - private vs private school sections and then meet at the X
- It's time for the MSHSL to stop bending over (backwards) and make things FAIR along all lines!
Isn't this a no brainer and the ONLY fair way to do things?
I think it would only BREATHE NEW LIFE into hockey in this state.
Thoughts?
Every year would be different certainly but this year, with a single section, you would have Stillwater or Eastview replacing STA or Hill. Don't think it would make for better hockey at the X but I know some guys on here have said they would be more interested. My guess is LVN would be in favor.
Sections would have all new looks with the privates in the one or two sections.. Maybe Blaine, Forest Lake or even Spring Lake Park could be the yearly 4AA favorites eight years from now.
Why does this idea scare the private school folks so much?
Lazy Scout wrote:Hurley's family still resides in Duluth? Wow, I wonder how that 5 hour round trip commute is for school.
This just shows how much you fact you leave out to better your cause. His family moved after his sixth grade year and he played bantams for White Bear Lake and enrolled at STA as an 8th grader. And before you make even more accusations I think he had two possibly three uncles that went to STA as well. Big loss for Marshall good player.
So he's the cousin of AHA/Eagan Hurley clan?
The oldest Hurley that played lacrosse at Cornell went to STAA for middle school.
It makes for better hockey. Do you want the best at the X or do you want 6 or 7 of the best then 1 or 2 who probably shouldn't be there based on talent/depth... Should private school students take different college admission tests, too ?
As it stands now it's basically the system you are prescribing. BSM and HF (never made it) are going to have to establish the all star teams you so loathe in order to even be considered favorites in their sections. When was the last time more than 2 private schools made the state tournament at AA?
Slowly but surely the private schools are making the right decisions and opting up. It will always bug me that HF jumped up before STAA. Breck needs to; TG probably should but they haven't been 2A quality in ages... Other than that, Hermantown needs to move up too. Who else is left then? That will finally put this stupid debate to bed.
As a lover of sport, which I'm sure all of us (the keyboard warriors) are, why would you ever want to dilute the talent pool at the end of the season. This isn't Rome, it's the State of Hockey
Imported from MN wrote:
This just shows how much you fact you leave out to better your cause. His family moved after his sixth grade year and he played bantams for White Bear Lake and enrolled at STA as an 8th grader. And before you make even more accusations I think he had two possibly three uncles that went to STA as well. Big loss for Marshall good player.
So he's the cousin of AHA/Eagan Hurley clan?
The oldest Hurley that played lacrosse at Cornell went to STAA for middle school.
SFA1992 wrote:It makes for better hockey. Do you want the best at the X or do you want 6 or 7 of the best then 1 or 2 who probably shouldn't be there based on talent/depth... Should private school students take different college admission tests, too ?
As it stands now it's basically the system you are prescribing. BSM and HF (never made it) are going to have to establish the all star teams you so loathe in order to even be considered favorites in their sections. When was the last time more than 2 private schools made the state tournament at AA?
Slowly but surely the private schools are making the right decisions and opting up. It will always bug me that HF jumped up before STAA. Breck needs to; TG probably should but they haven't been 2A quality in ages... Other than that, Hermantown needs to move up too. Who else is left then? That will finally put this stupid debate to bed.
As a lover of sport, which I'm sure all of us (the keyboard warriors) are, why would you ever want to dilute the talent pool at the end of the season. This isn't Rome, it's the State of Hockey
All of the best don't make it now.
1AA is just starting to bring contenders.
Having all private school sections would make the "playing field" fair.
Teams built on sweat can make it fairly.
Teams built on attracting good players can make it their way.
We used to have a private and public tournament for this reason..
This is the fair and more exciting way to do things.
Hill and STA sections being decided before the season starts is a joke, right?
BoDangles, I agree it's a joke. Lets make the sections tougher. How can Hill and STA be in the same conference but not the same sections? Let's get Lakeville back in a metro section and make it more competitive. In what you seem to want, would we also make private school classes for all the other sports? I see your point on making it seem more exciting with an all private section; it really would be fun to see. I just feel at the end of the day the best way to do it is get the Private schools up to AA and put them in the correct sections. I think someone pointed out earlier that kids don't just go to STA or Hill for hockey. Don't forget that there are academic, family, religious, cultural reasons for attending a private school. Edina's section, the way it is now, is decided before the season starts. Same with Lakeville's. That needs to be figured out. Honestly you can hate on (not saying you are, as I do see slivers on merit in what you're proposing) private schools, but what would you want as an athlete? You want to prove you're the best. Telling kids that they're separate/different/whatever from private or public school kids is incredibly silly and wrong. Don't segregate sport. I think you'd be surprised to see the reactions of players if you told them they weren't allowed to play private or public schools depending on where they went to school. Who wouldn't want the opportunity to beat a private school at the X and prove that (insert stereotypes about recruiting, wealth, etc) despite their perceived "advantages" they aren't all that. Or beat them in a section game to send them home. Stop telling kids they are different because of where they go to school. If there was an all private school tournament at Christmas, would you even care or watch? Probably not; it seems like you just want to see them a) beat each other up until only one is standing or b) disappear entirely. By the way, in your proposed system I'd be shocked if it didn't result in the creation of one super team to rule them all.
SFA1992 wrote:It makes for better hockey. Do you want the best at the X or do you want 6 or 7 of the best then 1 or 2 who probably shouldn't be there based on talent/depth... Should private school students take different college admission tests, too ?
As it stands now it's basically the system you are prescribing. BSM and HF (never made it) are going to have to establish the all star teams you so loathe in order to even be considered favorites in their sections. When was the last time more than 2 private schools made the state tournament at AA?
Slowly but surely the private schools are making the right decisions and opting up. It will always bug me that HF jumped up before STAA. Breck needs to; TG probably should but they haven't been 2A quality in ages... Other than that, Hermantown needs to move up too. Who else is left then? That will finally put this stupid debate to bed.
As a lover of sport, which I'm sure all of us (the keyboard warriors) are, why would you ever want to dilute the talent pool at the end of the season. This isn't Rome, it's the State of Hockey
All of the best don't make it now.
1AA is just starting to bring contenders.
Having all private school sections would make the "playing field" fair.
Teams built on sweat can make it fairly.
Teams built on attracting good players can make it their way.
We used to have a private and public tournament for this reason..
This is the fair and more exciting way to do things.
Hill and STA sections being decided before the season starts is a joke, right?
Are you refering to LVN or Edina above?
As far as STA and Hill sections, neither made it to state last year..
SFA1992 wrote:BoDangles, I agree it's a joke. Lets make the sections tougher. How can Hill and STA be in the same conference but not the same sections? Let's get Lakeville back in a metro section and make it more competitive. In what you seem to want, would we also make private school classes for all the other sports? I see your point on making it seem more exciting with an all private section; it really would be fun to see. I just feel at the end of the day the best way to do it is get the Private schools up to AA and put them in the correct sections. I think someone pointed out earlier that kids don't just go to STA or Hill for hockey. Don't forget that there are academic, family, religious, cultural reasons for attending a private school. Edina's section, the way it is now, is decided before the season starts. Same with Lakeville's. That needs to be figured out. Honestly you can hate on (not saying you are, as I do see slivers on merit in what you're proposing) private schools, but what would you want as an athlete? You want to prove you're the best. Telling kids that they're separate/different/whatever from private or public school kids is incredibly silly and wrong. Don't segregate sport. I think you'd be surprised to see the reactions of players if you told them they weren't allowed to play private or public schools depending on where they went to school. Who wouldn't want the opportunity to beat a private school at the X and prove that (insert stereotypes about recruiting, wealth, etc) despite their perceived "advantages" they aren't all that. Or beat them in a section game to send them home. Stop telling kids they are different because of where they go to school. If there was an all private school tournament at Christmas, would you even care or watch? Probably not; it seems like you just want to see them a) beat each other up until only one is standing or b) disappear entirely. By the way, in your proposed system I'd be shocked if it didn't result in the creation of one super team to rule them all.
"Would create one super team"
Do you see how you're contradicting yourself and proving my point...?
I'm not contradicting myself, my point there is that what you're proposing doesn't work and is downright silly. Like Just Checking said, neither STA or Hill made it last year. And Edina won, again. Did that make you happy? Do you dislike private schools so much that you'd rather see Edina win ? The top two seeds this year are public schools who waltzed through sections. There needs to be some change, fix the sections to make them geographically fair. Would love to get your thoughts on my other points, but I doubt we will see them.
pondhockeywizard wrote:I watched Duluth Denfeld and Duluth Marshall play this year. Public vs Private.
Guy next to me pointed out probably 6 or 7 players on Denfeld's roster were from Hermantown, Duluth Marshall, Cloquet, Superior WI, Alaska, even a kid from Sweden. Couldn't help but wonder which was the private.
I really laugh at the thought that someone is "from" Duluth Marshall. That's a good one.
A kid is from Duluth Marshall when they have been there since 5th grade. That is their school, that is where they are from. You have an odd sense of humor.
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Because your "one super team" is currently happening at the section level. You said it!!! It's a joke for the other teams in the section... Not as bad as STA's pillaging of small town hockey in Class A, but still a joke.
Do you want to go 1,000 bucks even odds on STA and Hill the the next ten years in sections? I bet I'll win almost ALL of them.
You're the "silly' one since you're not able to see it from the other team's point of view of being stuck with/behind your "super teams".
The only reason Breck is so good is because #11 on there team. He really leads the team and night in and night out he is always the best one for the Mustangs. He is the future of Breck hockey no doubt.
Sweetheart, I'm on the record saying I don't understand how they aren't in the same section based on geography. They should be in the same section because of their vicinity to one another. And the one super team you're referencing didn't even make it to state last year. And it's two super teams, show some GD respect
Your solution since your team, apparently, can't beat the private schools? Work harder. Don't change the rules. The game is about glory. You just have to beat them once.
I can understand why it's frustrating, because losing sucks. Look at what the Zephyrs did back in 09 and 10. They beat STA. Find those players and ask them how sweet that was. Do your talking on the ice. What you propose doesn't even allow a conversation.
SFA1992 wrote:It makes for better hockey. Do you want the best at the X or do you want 6 or 7 of the best then 1 or 2 who probably shouldn't be there based on talent/depth... Should private school students take different college admission tests, too ?
As it stands now it's basically the system you are prescribing. BSM and HF (never made it) are going to have to establish the all star teams you so loathe in order to even be considered favorites in their sections. When was the last time more than 2 private schools made the state tournament at AA?
Slowly but surely the private schools are making the right decisions and opting up. It will always bug me that HF jumped up before STAA. Breck needs to; TG probably should but they haven't been 2A quality in ages... Other than that, Hermantown needs to move up too. Who else is left then? That will finally put this stupid debate to bed.
As a lover of sport, which I'm sure all of us (the keyboard warriors) are, why would you ever want to dilute the talent pool at the end of the season. This isn't Rome, it's the State of Hockey
All of the best don't make it now.
1AA is just starting to bring contenders.
Having all private school sections would make the "playing field" fair.
Teams built on sweat can make it fairly.
Teams built on attracting good players can make it their way.
We used to have a private and public tournament for this reason.
This is the fair and more exciting way to do things.
Hill and STA sections being decided before the season starts is a joke, right?
Are you refering to LVN or Edina above?
As far as STA and Hill sections, neither made it to state last year..
They did not separate tourneys due to your reasons. Private schools were not part of the MSHSL back in the day. That was why there were different tourneys. The push back in those days is that there was a debate about who was better, private or public. They brought the two together to find out. The way it should be.
SFA1992 wrote:Sweetheart, I'm on the record saying I don't understand how they aren't in the same section based on geography. They should be in the same section because of their vicinity to one another. And the one super team you're referencing didn't even make it to state last year. And it's two super teams, show some GD respect
Your solution since your team, apparently, can't beat the private schools? Work harder. Don't change the rules. The game is about glory. You just have to beat them once.
I can understand why it's frustrating, because losing sucks. Look at what the Zephyrs did back in 09 and 10. They beat STA. Find those players and ask them how sweet that was. Do your talking on the ice. What you propose doesn't even allow a conversation.
I'd rather be frustrated with you than frustrated with never making it to state.
And don't flatter yourself, I'm not frustrated. Simply enjoying the banter. But if you'd like to take the bait, I'll be waiting to see the sound logic you speak of.
SFA1992 wrote:I'd rather be frustrated with you than frustrated with never making it to state.
And don't flatter yourself, I'm not frustrated. Simply enjoying the banter. But if you'd like to take the bait, I'll be waiting to see the sound logic you speak of.
MrBoDangles wrote:
All of the best don't make it now.
1AA is just starting to bring contenders.
Having all private school sections would make the "playing field" fair.
Teams built on sweat can make it fairly.
Teams built on attracting good players can make it their way.
We used to have a private and public tournament for this reason.
This is the fair and more exciting way to do things.
Hill and STA sections being decided before the season starts is a joke, right?
Are you refering to LVN or Edina above?
As far as STA and Hill sections, neither made it to state last year..
They did not separate tourneys due to your reasons. Private schools were not part of the MSHSL back in the day. That was why there were different tourneys. The push back in those days is that there was a debate about who was better, private or public. They brought the two together to find out. The way it should be.
Yeah man, and I've said my bit. Look at what Schotzy said, too. You want a watered down tournament, which is plain sad. You want to tell kids they're different. Defining kids as "public" or "private" is foolish. Private schools aren't going anywhere. And even if they did, and you got your way, they would still attract quality student athletes, and the talent depth on the public side would be diminished. Is the dress white and gold or blue and black? I bet we disagree on that too.
Public schools like playing private schools and vice versa. There's an added dimension to the games. The student sections like it.
State of Hockey or the State of Public or Private?
