Monticello - Annandale - Maple Lake = Class A?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:38 pm

Sotaboy wrote:So by the same token, we should bump down St. Franny, CI, Andover, and anyone who may have struggled in the past. Its called work ethic!!! Going to the tourney is a privelege, making it isn't a right and should not be expected!

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:41 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
Where is F3? wrote:I've read the article, and understand it quite well, thanks for the "guidance".

I understand that it is rare for the MSHSL to send a AA school to A based on competitive play. I also know there are other AA schools who would be a better candidate to drop down to A based on their smaller enrollment size and weaker program, you named St. Francis and Cambridge as possible candidates. I never denied any of those facts. You might want to go back and read what I was arguing for "guidance".

I understand your point. You are asking, "if this decision is based on not being able to compete, then why are they leaving AA when they are going to have their most competitive team ever?" I get it.

What I'm trying to point out is that MAML has not been competitive in 8AA ever. They have zero postseason success. Look at the section record on minnhock.com for some guidance. As the article says, that's why they are moving down. I understand they have a good crop coming up but don't crown them 5A champs yet. Lets say if your prediction is correct that they would be in the top half of section 8AA next year or the years to come. They get seeded 4th for example. Do you honestly believe that you can see that team beating out Moorhead, Roseau, Bemidji, or Brainerd at a consistent level? I don't blame them for moving down one bit.

For the record, I agree with many posters here that the state tournament should be a privilege and shouldn't be handed to teams (I don't think 5A is a good spot for them) but how can you expect a program to stay where they are if the best they can hope for is reaching the section semifinals.
Your mentality that you have no chance is the problem and follows suit with the MAML leadership.

- Moorhead might be tough in a few years... So you bow down and quit?

- St Michael Albertville might be tough, but you guys were able to beat them last year and your team was young..

- I showed how MAML was as good, if not better than many of the other 8AA teams at bantams.

Why wouldn't someone see MAML as a future contender in 8AA? I sure do!

You are really showing a trophy grab mentality with your last post since there are plenty of other AA programs that face tough competition in sections...

Glad you agree, but time to buck up!

Where is F3? · Post by **Where is F3?** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:03 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:
Where is F3? wrote:I've read the article, and understand it quite well, thanks for the "guidance".

I understand that it is rare for the MSHSL to send a AA school to A based on competitive play. I also know there are other AA schools who would be a better candidate to drop down to A based on their smaller enrollment size and weaker program, you named St. Francis and Cambridge as possible candidates. I never denied any of those facts. You might want to go back and read what I was arguing for "guidance".

I understand your point. You are asking, "if this decision is based on not being able to compete, then why are they leaving AA when they are going to have their most competitive team ever?" I get it.

What I'm trying to point out is that MAML has not been competitive in 8AA ever. They have zero postseason success. Look at the section record on minnhock.com for some guidance. As the article says, that's why they are moving down. I understand they have a good crop coming up but don't crown them 5A champs yet. Lets say if your prediction is correct that they would be in the top half of section 8AA next year or the years to come. They get seeded 4th for example. Do you honestly believe that you can see that team beating out Moorhead, Roseau, Bemidji, or Brainerd at a consistent level? I don't blame them for moving down one bit.

For the record, I agree with many posters here that the state tournament should be a privilege and shouldn't be handed to teams (I don't think 5A is a good spot for them) but how can you expect a program to stay where they are if the best they can hope for is reaching the section semifinals.
Your mentality that you have no chance is the problem and follows suit with the MAML leadership.

- Moorhead might be tough in a few years... So you bow down and quit?

- St Michael Albertville might be tough, but you guys were able to beat them last year and your team was young..

- I showed how MAML was as good, if not better than many of the other 8AA teams at bantams.

Why wouldn't someone see MAML as a future contender in 8AA? I sure do!

You are really showing a trophy grab mentality with your last post since there are plenty of other AA programs that face tough competition in sections...

Glad you agree, but time to buck up!

There you go again thinking I have any affiliation with MAML. I will gladly eat my words if MAML somehow starts dominating class A, like you seem to think they will if they should be atop 8AA.

Once again, I have no affiliation with MAML, only trying to explain to you why the move makes sense for that program. I'm sure I'll have to explain again since you are struggling with that point......

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:39 pm

You agree and understand everything I said, but then you deny in your next breath...

You might as well be from MAML with your way of thinking. I guess you're grouped in.

You talk of not blaming them a bit because of being blocked by better teams... What level can Mora and Pine City drop down to now that they're blocked by MAML?

Look from both angles..

Where is F3? · Post by **Where is F3?** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:18 pm

I'm allowed to believe that state tournaments shouldn't be handed out, as well as thinking MAML dropping down makes sense for that program. MAML dropping down does not make them a lock at making the tournament. Is that so hard to understand? I would have put them in 6A but judging by your knowledge of the Moose they would probably roll over 6A.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:55 am

Where is F3? wrote:I've read the article, and understand it quite well, thanks for the "guidance".

I understand that it is rare for the MSHSL to send a AA school to A based on competitive play. I also know there are other AA schools who would be a better candidate to drop down to A based on their smaller enrollment size and weaker program, you named St. Francis and Cambridge as possible candidates. I never denied any of those facts. You might want to go back and read what I was arguing for "guidance".

I understand your point. You are asking, "if this decision is based on not being able to compete, then why are they leaving AA when they are going to have their most competitive team ever?" I get it.

What I'm trying to point out is that MAML has not been competitive in 8AA ever. They have zero postseason success. Look at the section record on minnhock.com for some guidance. As the article says, that's why they are moving down. I understand they have a good crop coming up but don't crown them 5A champs yet. Lets say if your prediction is correct that they would be in the top half of section 8AA next year or the years to come. They get seeded 4th for example. Do you honestly believe that you can see that team beating out Moorhead, Roseau, Bemidji, or Brainerd at a consistent level? I don't blame them for moving down one bit.

For the record, I agree with many posters here that the state tournament should be a privilege and shouldn't be handed to teams (I don't think 5A is a good spot for them) but how can you expect a program to stay where they are if the best they can hope for is reaching the section semifinals.

^ This mentality is the problem..

What's wrong with being "seeded 4th"?

Yes, probably their best teams ever coming up.. Time to move to A?

Glad you agree that 5A is not the right ace for them!

1900 students are double all other 5A teams.

Yes, I'm glad you agree that Cambridge would be a much better candidate.

Glad you "get" that it's strange they're moving to A when they're getting so much stronger..

Why can't they beat those teams listed? There's your mentality problem that can only come from being a part of MAML..

You say you can't beat "those" teams but then become "that" team when sandbagging down! MAML would have a good chance against 8AA teams compared to 5AA teams against MAML..

Read your last paragraph and understand what a joke it is..

Grow some!

Where is F3? · Post by **Where is F3?** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:45 am

MrBoDangles wrote:
Where is F3? wrote:I've read the article, and understand it quite well, thanks for the "guidance".

I understand that it is rare for the MSHSL to send a AA school to A based on competitive play. I also know there are other AA schools who would be a better candidate to drop down to A based on their smaller enrollment size and weaker program, you named St. Francis and Cambridge as possible candidates. I never denied any of those facts. You might want to go back and read what I was arguing for "guidance".

I understand your point. You are asking, "if this decision is based on not being able to compete, then why are they leaving AA when they are going to have their most competitive team ever?" I get it.

What I'm trying to point out is that MAML has not been competitive in 8AA ever. They have zero postseason success. Look at the section record on minnhock.com for some guidance. As the article says, that's why they are moving down. I understand they have a good crop coming up but don't crown them 5A champs yet. Lets say if your prediction is correct that they would be in the top half of section 8AA next year or the years to come. They get seeded 4th for example. Do you honestly believe that you can see that team beating out Moorhead, Roseau, Bemidji, or Brainerd at a consistent level? I don't blame them for moving down one bit.

For the record, I agree with many posters here that the state tournament should be a privilege and shouldn't be handed to teams (I don't think 5A is a good spot for them) but how can you expect a program to stay where they are if the best they can hope for is reaching the section semifinals.
^ This mentality is the problem..

What's wrong with being "seeded 4th"?

Yes, probably their best teams ever coming up.. Time to move to A?

Glad you agree that 5A is not the right ace for them!

1900 students are double all other 5A teams.

Yes, I'm glad you agree that Cambridge would be a much better candidate.

Glad you "get" that it's strange they're moving to A when they're getting so much stronger..

Why can't they beat those teams listed? There's your mentality problem that can only come from being a part of MAML..

You say you can't beat "those" teams but then become "that" team when sandbagging down! MAML would have a good chance against 8AA teams compared to 5AA teams against MAML..

Read your last paragraph and understand what a joke it is..

Grow some!

Being outscored 27-2 in the last 4 section playoffs answers that question. I guess I just don't agree with you that MAML would compete with the top 8AA teams, even in the years to come. Agree to disagree on that. I don't think they will be the cream of the crop in single A. I never said they would be "that" team when they go down to A. They will be competitive, but they will not be the top dog.

I have spent my last breath arguing about MAML in this thread.

moosepaw · Post by **moosepaw** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:11 am

The biggest problem MAML has is holding nto there kids. They have one at Breck and Providence Acadmey, with 2 more leaving for those schools next year.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:16 pm

moosepaw wrote:The biggest problem MAML has is holding nto there kids. They have one at Breck and Providence Acadmey, with 2 more leaving for those schools next year.

That's actually very light. Talk to some Cambridge and St. Francis folks about the subject.

Still in AA

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:17 pm

Monti lists their enrollment at 1115. That would put them in class A without the Coop numbers. How many are they getting from Annandale and Maple Lake? Very proactive move, not a trophy grab. I think they have like 200 kids in their youth program.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:41 pm

I'd call it something other than "proactive" when MAML has well over 200 and many of the 5A programs have way less than 100...

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:00 pm

Won against 8AA's St. Michael Albertville and Rogers.

Lost to 8AA's Buffalo 1-2

8AA parity!

Strong group of bantams that matched up perfectly with almost all other 8AA bantam teams.

1900 students! Way over AA standards..

Moved to A?

SMH...

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:28 am

Sandbagging down with 2000 students between the three high schools.. and now they just "happen" to bring in a Finnish player that is leading them in goals.

Many of their best also come from the two smaller schools.

Does this program have some political pull?

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:55 am

Quality work by the AD.

codemanh · Post by **codemanh** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:22 pm

Well, Princeton, a true A school put them in their place tonight with a 4-1 section win. And to the poster higher up saying MAML lost players, Princeton lost a player who's a top pairing defenseman at Breck (Paulson) and a 1st line player at ER, who is one of the top juniors in the state in Murray. It happens to all programs that aren't regulars at AA state.

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:49 am

Just because they don't have success isn't a reason to drop down to class A. In all honesty that's a joke. There are many other programs out there in AA hockey that don't have success. When was the last time section 7aa wasn't represented by Duluth East, cloquet, Elk river, or Grand Rapids? When was the last time Edina didn't play Burnsville to go to state?

Political pull? I hope that was sarcastic. All the doing of their head coach, not AD. It's impressive they pulled it off.

I would get it if they chose to disolve the co-op and go off on their own. Completely understandable then. Not the case though.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:32 am

Tigers33 wrote:Just because they don't have success isn't a reason to drop down to class A. In all honesty that's a joke. There are many other programs out there in AA hockey that don't have success. When was the last time section 7aa wasn't represented by Duluth East, cloquet, Elk river, or Grand Rapids? When was the last time Edina didn't play Burnsville to go to state?

Political pull? I hope that was sarcastic. All the doing of their head coach, not AD. It's impressive they pulled it off.

I would get it if they chose to disolve the co-op and go off on their own. Completely understandable then. Not the case though.

Political pull? "Hope that was sarcastic". "Impressive they PULLed it off"..

Tigers33 · Post by **Tigers33** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:55 pm

Someone referenced to the AD. I believe it was all the doing and connections of the head coach that got it done.

4on5again · Post by **4on5again** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:01 pm

Sandbagging has occurred since the state tournament decided to have two champions. It worked its way right down to the peewees and bantams A and AA. The things that small schools used to deal with, now even smaller schools deal with today. The sandbaggers know who they are. Eventually they have to tell their kids what the 10 letters stand for in the COOP. USA-Czech-Fin-SWE-Germ vs. USSR would have inspired so many in 1980.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:10 pm

Tigers33 wrote:Someone referenced to the AD. I believe it was all the doing and connections of the head coach that got it done.

This doesn't get done without the AD being involved in significant role.

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Sat Nov 26, 2016 6:44 pm

The leadership of this program needs to find some class... First they're able to bypass the rules and move down with over 2000 students... And now they bring in some Eastern European players to suddenly bump kids that have been there forever.. Classless!!

LVN players coming in at bantam age is nothing compared to this!

Why would the MSHSL sit a kid for transferring schools but then allow this recruiting by the Monticello faculty?

InYourFace09 · Post by **InYourFace09** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 1:49 pm

MrBoDangles wrote:The leadership of this program needs to find some class... First they're able to bypass the rules and move down with over 2000 students... And now they bring in some Eastern European players to suddenly bump kids that have been there forever.. Classless!!

LVN players coming in at bantam age is nothing compared to this!

Why would the MSHSL sit a kid for transferring schools but then allow this recruiting by the Monticello faculty?

Can you provide more details? Foreign exchange student?

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 2:16 pm

InYourFace09 wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:The leadership of this program needs to find some class... First they're able to bypass the rules and move down with over 2000 students... And now they bring in some Eastern European players to suddenly bump kids that have been there forever.. Classless!!

LVN players coming in at bantam age is nothing compared to this!

Why would the MSHSL sit a kid for transferring schools but then allow this recruiting by the Monticello faculty?
Can you provide more details? Foreign exchange student?

They pretty much seeked out European hockey players out of a catalog.. From what I've been told, to bolster their chances of making the tournament. MSHSL should be all over this!!

Then add in their ridiculous numbers and being able to drop down to class A..

Silence as expected from the MAML folks..

GoldyGopher · Post by **GoldyGopher** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:50 pm

You whine a lot. Enrollment in school is a lot different than enrollment in the hockey program. Find something else no one cares about to complain about.

Go Stars/Moose

MrBoDangles wrote:
InYourFace09 wrote:
MrBoDangles wrote:The leadership of this program needs to find some class... First they're able to bypass the rules and move down with over 2000 students... And now they bring in some Eastern European players to suddenly bump kids that have been there forever.. Classless!!

LVN players coming in at bantam age is nothing compared to this!

Why would the MSHSL sit a kid for transferring schools but then allow this recruiting by the Monticello faculty?
Can you provide more details? Foreign exchange student?

They pretty much seeked out European hockey players out of a catalog.. From what I've been told, to bolster their chances of making the tournament. MSHSL should be all over this!!

Then add in their ridiculous numbers and being able to drop down to class A..

Silence as expected from the MAML folks..

MrBoDangles · Post by **MrBoDangles** » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:22 pm

GoldyGopher wrote:You whine a lot. Enrollment in school is a lot different than enrollment in the hockey program. Find something else no one cares about to complain about.

Go Stars/Moose

MrBoDangles wrote:
InYourFace09 wrote: Can you provide more details? Foreign exchange student?

They pretty much seeked out European hockey players out of a catalog.. From what I've been told, to bolster their chances of making the tournament. MSHSL should be all over this!!

Then add in their ridiculous numbers and being able to drop down to class A..

Silence as expected from the MAML folks..

Go milk a cow, prairie boy..