NCAA Age Restriction Proposal

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The Exiled One
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Post by The Exiled One »

NotMinnesotan wrote:For a message board that normally hates to see kids move on from high school hockey before they graduate I was shocked to see some people liking this rule change. First of all, take the kids out of it that can actually play college at 17 or 18. Those kids are beyond elite and will be playing NHL hockey in a couple years. For most players, after they play high school or midgets they will need at least 2 years of juniors in order to develop and learn how to play at the college pace. There are many kids that are held back when they are younger because they were not mature enough to start elementary school and graduate at 19 years old or just shy. Those kids, with still needing two years of juniors will now be looking to leave a year early to get their 2 years in without losing a year of eligibility.
Good thing is those folks share the minority opinion. Most of us understand this will be bad for the MSHSL. I know one poster who is way too deep into the B1G's jock to understand why, but I'll lay it out for anybody still on the fence...

The USHL limits "overage" players to 5 per roster. Some, but not all of them will be affected by this rule. The committed players deferred into that role and the uncommitted players looking at the potential of not securing a scholarship before their "overage" season are faced with a daunting choice...

1) Attempt to make the USHL roster again (no guarantee) in their overage season knowing that they're giving up a year of NCAA eligibility, leaving them one year shy of a college degree before attempting to make the pros. Or, they can plan on staying in school and paying for their senior year of college and giving up or deferring their dream of playing pro hockey.

2) Opt for a D3 school and retain four years of eligibility.

3) Pursue a pro career as an overager in the CHL.

4) Quit hockey.

A handful may take option one, but only a simple minded or cognitively dissonant hockey fan couldn't understand that most kids would go with options two, three, or four. These means that overage players in the USHL will be greatly diminished. I would expect that, if the rule passes, most if not all of those spots will be occupied by players unaffected by the rule. I would also expect some teams to be less inclined or even unable to use up those spots.

The NAHL is a similar predicament but to an even greater degree, as they do not have the same cap on overagers that the USHL has. Their rosters have a very high percentage of "overage" players who were recently offered or are still pursuing scholarship offers (or even walk-on roster spots). They'll face the same decision.

The end result, of course, is that the average age of a USHL and NAHL player will drop as the older players opt out. So, who will take these empty roster spots? Obviously, they'll be backfilled at the younger end as you can't manufacture more players of the same birth year from thin air. This means, more of the 16 and 17 year old players who tried-out for NAHL and USHL teams and WOULD have accepted if offered will now accept when offered. This hits at the heart of Tier 1 AAA and the MSHSL.

I predicted an early departure increase of 30%. Considering that we recorded 18 early departures this season and a 30% increase would only be 24 early departures, I think I was being really, really conservative with my prediction. There are 16 (typical) USHL teams and 22 NAHL teams. Is it unrealistic to think that each team would need at least one more 16 or 17 year-old player from the MSHSL? I don't think so. Scary prospect.
SCBlueLiner
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Post by SCBlueLiner »

Being a former college athlete, albeit was a different sport, I can completely understand the reasoning behind this age limit policy. I think it is wrong to delay these kids entering college and keeping them stashed away down in juniors for another year. Get them on campus and get their college career underway. These are STUDENT-athletes after all.

The flip side is that hockey is different from the more traditional college sports. The system is just different and there is a trickle down effect to legislation like this that has the potential to do harm to high school hockey. It just puts downward pressure and starts the clock on everything one year earlier. Scouts are already looking at the Bantam level, what's next, Pee Wees? Oh heck, they're probably there too. The positive in allowing older players into college hockey is there is also that chance that one more year of juniors can catch those late-bloomers and opens up opportunities for them.

In the end, the vast majority of these kids will be going pro in a field other than hockey. They are there to get an education first. They need to remember that and legislate accordingly.

One hot button issue in college hockey that does boil my blood is the "gentleman's agreement" when it comes to recruiting. As far as I am concerned if you want to offer a 15 or 16 year kid and take him off the market then it better be in writing and it better be honored. That isn't the case though. Kids get the short end on these verbal agreements all the time because the agreement only works one way. It simply limits the prospects options. If I was a college coach I'd throw that agreement in the trash and violate the crap out of it, recruiting any kid I want, verbally committed or not, until the second he signs his NLI, just like every other college sport does. When my son comes of age, if he is ever good enough to attract the attention of college recruiters, he will be a free agent until the day he signs a NLI and I will actively look out for his best interest and get him in the best situation possible. I've been through the recruiting game myself. I have good friends who coach D1, D2, and D3 football and basketball. I've seen the behind the scenes stuff. I know how the recruiting game works and it is not always for the benefit of the kid.
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Post by MrBoDangles »

Sparlimb wrote:
warriors41 wrote:If you can't beat 'em, change the rules and cite it as a safety issue.
This has been a problem in college hockey for 40 years. Many of you are too young to remember, but there was a time Denver and the Gophers often shared the WCHA title but didn't play each other because of fighting about age of players. To think an 18 year old college kid should be getting pounded in the boards be a 25 year old man is absurd. It's a good rule that will help college hockey be where it should be.
Have you attended a high school game? 6'5" 240lbs up against kids that look like grade schoolers.

We're talking 18+ year olds that have gone through puberty.
NotMinnesotan
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Post by NotMinnesotan »

SCBlueLiner, did you ever play college sports? I was just curious because you didn't mention it enough times in your post.
SCBlueLiner
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Post by SCBlueLiner »

NotMinnesotan wrote:SCBlueLiner, did you ever play college sports? I was just curious because you didn't mention it enough times in your post.
LOL. My intention was to give you background on why I feel the way I do about these subjects. I've experienced it and am around it quite often with my circle of friends.

FWIW, I mentioned it only twice. I suppose I could have upped that to once per paragraph in order to put more emphasis on my accomplishments and athletic prowess. :)
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