TSN Midseason Top 60 Draft Rankings

[gopherman23]

Tufte at #21

No other current MN High Schoolers


http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-mid-season-draft- ... e-1.435206

[Bonin2121]

Sounds about right.

[GoBigorGoHome]

Once again, what really stands out is the height of these kids. Contrary to what some on this forum may believe, there is very little place in today's NHL for players under six feet (or for those who aren't close enough to six feet to be able to lie about it). You need crazy skills, quickness, and hockey IQ to make it if you aren't at least six feet, and you have to have all three, not just one or two of those qualities. Teams have gone away from individual enforcers and are bulking up their rosters with big guys who are fast, strong, and skilled.

[grindiangrad-80]

Teams have gone away from individual enforcers and are bulking up their rosters with big guys who are fast, strong, and skilled.

Being that I am small, slow, not very strong, and not very good- I think I understand why my phone hasn't rang for 35 years.

[stromboli]

Parise, Zucker, Granlund, Fontaine, Spurgeon.

There's plenty of room in the game for those under 6'.

If anything, the move away from enforcers opens up more room for skilled players under 6'.

I think as important as height, if not more so, is weight and a frame that allows an individual to compete and take hits at that level. Big difference between 160lbs and 190+.

[GoBigorGoHome]

Parise, Zucker, Granlund, Fontaine, Spurgeon.

There's plenty of room in the game for those under 6'.

If anything, the move away from enforcers opens up more room for skilled players under 6'.

I think as important as height, if not more so, is weight and a frame that allows an individual to compete and take hits at that level. Big difference between 160lbs and 190+.

Sorry, Stromboli, you just proved my point. Why do you think the Wild are struggling? Too small and too slow. God love Parise for his hustle, but he gets outmuscled in the corners. God love Zucker, but he gets bounced around like a ping pong ball in the corners and isn't a threat in front of the net. God love Spurgeon, but he can't clear the front of the net, and god love Fontaine, but what has he done this year? God love Granlund, but really, what's he done? Thanks for proving my point.

[green4]

Parise, Zucker, Granlund, Fontaine, Spurgeon.

There's plenty of room in the game for those under 6'.

If anything, the move away from enforcers opens up more room for skilled players under 6'.

I think as important as height, if not more so, is weight and a frame that allows an individual to compete and take hits at that level. Big difference between 160lbs and 190+.

Sorry, Stromboli, you just proved my point. Why do you think the Wild are struggling? Too small and too slow. God love Parise for his hustle, but he gets outmuscled in the corners. God love Zucker, but he gets bounced around like a ping pong ball in the corners and isn't a threat in front of the net. God love Spurgeon, but he can't clear the front of the net, and god love Fontaine, but what has he done this year? God love Granlund, but really, what's he done? Thanks for proving my point.

Two or three years of being an above average team, but now a 15 game skid and these smaller players dont deserve to being in the league. Yeah, good point.

[stromboli]

Parise, Zucker, Granlund, Fontaine, Spurgeon.

There's plenty of room in the game for those under 6'.

If anything, the move away from enforcers opens up more room for skilled players under 6'.

I think as important as height, if not more so, is weight and a frame that allows an individual to compete and take hits at that level. Big difference between 160lbs and 190+.

Sorry, Stromboli, you just proved my point. Why do you think the Wild are struggling? Too small and too slow. God love Parise for his hustle, but he gets outmuscled in the corners. God love Zucker, but he gets bounced around like a ping pong ball in the corners and isn't a threat in front of the net. God love Spurgeon, but he can't clear the front of the net, and god love Fontaine, but what has he done this year? God love Granlund, but really, what's he done? Thanks for proving my point.

I don't disagree, so no apologies needed. I've never hired an NHLer, but those that do aren't afraid to choose a player under 6'.

The Kanes and Keiths of the world are few and far between.

[GoBigorGoHome]

Parise, Zucker, Granlund, Fontaine, Spurgeon.

There's plenty of room in the game for those under 6'.

If anything, the move away from enforcers opens up more room for skilled players under 6'.

I think as important as height, if not more so, is weight and a frame that allows an individual to compete and take hits at that level. Big difference between 160lbs and 190+.

Sorry, Stromboli, you just proved my point. Why do you think the Wild are struggling? Too small and too slow. God love Parise for his hustle, but he gets outmuscled in the corners. God love Zucker, but he gets bounced around like a ping pong ball in the corners and isn't a threat in front of the net. God love Spurgeon, but he can't clear the front of the net, and god love Fontaine, but what has he done this year? God love Granlund, but really, what's he done? Thanks for proving my point.

Two or three years of being an above average team, but now a 15 game skid and these smaller players dont deserve to being in the league. Yeah, good point.

And how far have they gone in the playoffs? To further prove my point, combined the top two teams in the league (Washington and Chicago) have a total of 6 players under six feet. Of those 6, I believe all of them are listed at 5' 11". Keep in mind, I didn't say there was no place for smaller players, just very little place for them.

[stromboli]

Gobig,

I'm not sure I'd call the Wild's undersized players slow...

[GoBigorGoHome]

Gobig,

I'm not sure I'd call the Wild's undersized players slow...

The team as a whole is too small and too slow. The small guys, some of whom may be fast, can't do anything in the corners and don't create any traffic in front, because they are easily pushed around. Watch a game and see how often the small guys create separation when they have the puck....not very often. Unless they pick it up in space, they generally don't get very far.

[green4]

Sorry, Stromboli, you just proved my point. Why do you think the Wild are struggling? Too small and too slow. God love Parise for his hustle, but he gets outmuscled in the corners. God love Zucker, but he gets bounced around like a ping pong ball in the corners and isn't a threat in front of the net. God love Spurgeon, but he can't clear the front of the net, and god love Fontaine, but what has he done this year? God love Granlund, but really, what's he done? Thanks for proving my point.

Two or three years of being an above average team, but now a 15 game skid and these smaller players dont deserve to being in the league. Yeah, good point.

And how far have they gone in the playoffs? To further prove my point, combined the top two teams in the league (Washington and Chicago) have a total of 6 players under six feet. Of those 6, I believe all of them are listed at 5' 11". Keep in mind, I didn't say there was no place for smaller players, just very little place for them.

How does that prove your point at all? They made it to the 2nd round the last two years, so they were among the final 8 teams. Do they have to win the whole thing for shorter players to earn their spot to you?
The Rangers went to final with St.louis and zuccarello who are like 5'8.

And Patrick Kane is not above 5'11", I doubt teruvinnein or Paranim are either

[stromboli]

Gobig,

I'm not sure I'd call the Wild's undersized players slow...

The team as a whole is too small and too slow. The small guys, some of whom may be fast, can't do anything in the corners and don't create any traffic in front, because they are easily pushed around. Watch a game and see how often the small guys create separation when they have the puck....not very often. Unless they pick it up in space, they generally don't get very far.

Back to my point about weight being important too. Of the Wild's players under 6', only Parise is 190+.

I'd place the cutoff on size at roughly 5'11" and 190+ for all but the most gifted players that are smaller than that.

[GoBigorGoHome]

Stromboli - fair enough.

Green4 - you can argue against the trend all you want, but it is what it is. Not a lot of stock is given to players under 6' (or 5' 11") anymore unless they have crazy skills. It is what it is and the statistics support it. The fact is the game has changed and bigger players have better skill than they did 20 years ago. All other things being equal, big beats small almost all the time, because strength and durability are huge factors when players are evaluated for the next level.

[green4]

Stromboli - fair enough.

Green4 - you can argue against the trend all you want, but it is what it is. Not a lot of stock is given to players under 6' (or 5' 11") anymore unless they have crazy skills. It is what it is and the statistics support it. The fact is the game has changed and bigger players have better skill than they did 20 years ago. All other things being equal, big beats small almost all the time, because strength and durability are huge factors when players are evaluated for the next level.

I wasn't disagreeing with that, I was disagreeing with the idea that the wild are bad because they employ players like Parise, Spurgeon and Zucker

[MrBoDangles]

I hate to say it because I'm a pretty big fan, but the rest of the league has figured out the Wild are a cream puff team.. Add a Buff and Backes type and the smaller skilled guys would feel somewhat protected.

Plenty of room for smaller guys when protection is available.

[observer]

Can ya sit the captain?