notTONIGHT wrote:Is this the first season in MN where a high school team has had a weak schedule?
Has their never been a weak schedule for a high school team in history?
Unless your an idiot, the answer to both of those questions is no.
Every season atleast 20 schools play a schedule atleast as weak as luverne's or weaker. In ten years that adds up to 200 seasons. Has Minnesota hockey been around longer than ten seasons?
Again, unless your an idiot you know the answer to that question is yes.
Every decade 200 seasons with an average of 15 skaters on each team is 3000 Athletes. Every decade there have been 3000 athletes with a crack at this record. None of them have done it.
Sit back and respect what Jaxon has done.
Don't be Idiots.
Logic and math like this, really made me change my mind! So many seasons to pick from
GoldyGopher wrote:A great accomplishment, strength of schedule can play into it as it did for Benik, and Hanowski. Last I checked they weren't playing Edina and EP every night either. Congrats to #7, probably not done as easily without the help of #8. Fun combo to see play.
This gets brought up every year for a variety of reasons, from rankings to stats and everything in between. Ultimately, we don't know. On a lower quality team your teammates aren't going to be as good to set you up and such. Maybe on a Lake Conference team he'd have even more goals/points because he'd have been players to be setting up and setting up him. You never know how those things would pan out.
HShockeywatcher, I promise you it would not work out that way. Now, I am not going to take anything away from Nelson, he's obviously a hell of a player if he's going to the gophers, but frankly it's not that hard to put up a lot of points down there. 100 is spectacular and utterly insane, but I watched the highlights of the Marshall vs Luvurne game and I have seen better D at a bantam level.
HShockeywatcher wrote:This gets brought up every year for a variety of reasons, from rankings to stats and everything in between. Ultimately, we don't know. On a lower quality team your teammates aren't going to be as good to set you up and such.
All you need to do is look at the goal and point leaders on the Hub and which teams they play for, then consider the schedule those teams play.
HShockeywatcher wrote:This gets brought up every year for a variety of reasons, from rankings to stats and everything in between. Ultimately, we don't know. On a lower quality team your teammates aren't going to be as good to set you up and such.
All you need to do is look at the goal and point leaders on the Hub and which teams they play for, then consider the schedule those teams play.
HShockeywatcher wrote:This gets brought up every year for a variety of reasons, from rankings to stats and everything in between. Ultimately, we don't know. On a lower quality team your teammates aren't going to be as good to set you up and such.
All you need to do is look at the goal and point leaders on the Hub and which teams they play for, then consider the schedule those teams play.
#2 on the list is from the team with the #12 SOS on PageStat.
I'm not making some grand statement one way or the other, simply saying that we don't know. The guys at the top of the list typically come from lower ranked teams, but that doesn't say anything about what they'd do on a better team. That's all.
mnhockey1501 wrote:HShockeywatcher, I promise you it would not work out that way. Now, I am not going to take anything away from Nelson, he's obviously a hell of a player if he's going to the gophers, but frankly it's not that hard to put up a lot of points down there. 100 is spectacular and utterly insane, but I watched the highlights of the Marshall vs Luvurne game and I have seen better D at a bantam level.
Highlights of goal scoring usually consist of poor defensive play. Watch a whole game and you'll see they aren't bantams. Not at all saying they are going to keep up with the big boys in the metro. The purpose of this thread was to give congratulations where they have been earned.
HShockeywatcher wrote:This gets brought up every year for a variety of reasons, from rankings to stats and everything in between. Ultimately, we don't know. On a lower quality team your teammates aren't going to be as good to set you up and such.
All you need to do is look at the goal and point leaders on the Hub and which teams they play for, then consider the schedule those teams play.
MNHockeyFan wrote:
All you need to do is look at the goal and point leaders on the Hub and which teams they play for, then consider the schedule those teams play.
Yea Hes a good player and yea he plays a weak.. weak schedule.. But those points can't be shrugged off.. Takes a special player to put up number slike that
He reminds me of that kid from Moose Lake a few years back ( on of the Cisar sp?? Brothers ) who had tons of points and noone said he would do anything against a quality team.. I remember him outscoring Toninato and Randolph in the all star game that season.. That may not mean much, but he was playing with the best and scored more than the best.
Maybe Cisar and Nelson are like younger John Scott
But it does make me wonder how Hanowski, Spehar, Oshie, Pohl, etc etc etc would have faired playing on a average at best team that plays a weak schedule.. Hanowski Im guessing didn't play many great team in his HS years
GPGT wrote:But it does make me wonder how Hanowski, Spehar, Oshie, Pohl, etc etc etc would have faired playing on a average at best team that plays a weak schedule.. Hanowski Im guessing didn't play many great team in his HS years
Hanowski had Jared Fesler like Nelsen has Smedsrud.
Pretty sure Pohl played a very weak A schedule down in Red Wing, which would match what you are looking for.
GPGT wrote:But it does make me wonder how Hanowski, Spehar, Oshie, Pohl, etc etc etc would have faired playing on a average at best team that plays a weak schedule.. Hanowski Im guessing didn't play many great team in his HS years
Hanowski had Jared Fesler like Nelsen has Smedsrud.
Pretty sure Pohl played a very weak A schedule down in Red Wing, which would match what you are looking for.
Yet you say that and have no credentials to back it...
How is Luverne now? 15th in the Class A polls..?? He has about as many points as the top 3 combined for the #1 Hermantown.. A team that would destroy them...
Not saying Nelson and Smedsrud aren't a good , amazing combo, but if they played for a team like Eden Prairie, Benilde etc, you can expect that goal and point total cut in half
Congratulations, the most goals scored in a single season ever in Minnesota High School Boys hockey history. Think about the legendary players. Wow, and at 15 or 16 years old? I imagine we will be able to hear and watch you play for many many more years at many stages. Good luck.
GPGT wrote:But it does make me wonder how Hanowski, Spehar, Oshie, Pohl, etc etc etc would have faired playing on a average at best team that plays a weak schedule.. Hanowski Im guessing didn't play many great team in his HS years
Hanowski had Jared Fesler like Nelsen has Smedsrud.
Pretty sure Pohl played a very weak A schedule down in Red Wing, which would match what you are looking for.
The Missota Conference back then was awful... Pohl obviously was a very good player, but definitely benefited from an extremely weak schedule.
GPGT wrote:But it does make me wonder how Hanowski, Spehar, Oshie, Pohl, etc etc etc would have faired playing on a average at best team that plays a weak schedule.. Hanowski Im guessing didn't play many great team in his HS years
Hanowski had Jared Fesler like Nelsen has Smedsrud.
Pretty sure Pohl played a very weak A schedule down in Red Wing, which would match what you are looking for.
Yet you say that and have no credentials to back it...
How is Luverne now? 15th in the Class A polls..?? He has about as many points as the top 3 combined for the #1 Hermantown.. A team that would destroy them...
Not saying Nelson and Smedsrud aren't a good , amazing combo, but if they played for a team like Eden Prairie, Benilde etc, you can expect that goal and point total cut in half
#7 and #8 are very good. Worthy of top lines in the metro, which is where I grew up and watched hockey. Big deal they play a weak schedule. It's where they are from and they are simply playing hockey with their friends. Good for those two boys doing what they did. Excited to see 7 wearing maroon and gold.
InYourFace09 wrote:
Hanowski had Jared Fesler like Nelsen has Smedsrud.
Pretty sure Pohl played a very weak A schedule down in Red Wing, which would match what you are looking for.
Yet you say that and have no credentials to back it...
How is Luverne now? 15th in the Class A polls..?? He has about as many points as the top 3 combined for the #1 Hermantown.. A team that would destroy them...
Not saying Nelson and Smedsrud aren't a good , amazing combo, but if they played for a team like Eden Prairie, Benilde etc, you can expect that goal and point total cut in half
#7 and #8 are very good. Worthy of top lines in the metro, which is where I grew up and watched hockey. Big deal they play a weak schedule. It's where they are from and they are simply playing hockey with their friends. Good for those two boys doing what they did. Excited to see 7 wearing maroon and gold.
My point and most of the others being.....
Hes good... yes, as is his partner.... BUT his goals doesn't reflect how good some people might think he is based off stats.. Like I said eirlier.. Look at the Cisar kid from Moose lake. WHere is he now?
Bottom line is these record breaking goal scorers wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the pile if they didn't play for mediocre ( at best ) class A teams.. and Yes I will include Pohl, Hanowski, and Nelson all in that same category
GPGT wrote:
Yet you say that and have no credentials to back it...
How is Luverne now? 15th in the Class A polls..?? He has about as many points as the top 3 combined for the #1 Hermantown.. A team that would destroy them...
Not saying Nelson and Smedsrud aren't a good , amazing combo, but if they played for a team like Eden Prairie, Benilde etc, you can expect that goal and point total cut in half
#7 and #8 are very good. Worthy of top lines in the metro, which is where I grew up and watched hockey. Big deal they play a weak schedule. It's where they are from and they are simply playing hockey with their friends. Good for those two boys doing what they did. Excited to see 7 wearing maroon and gold.
My point and most of the others being.....
Hes good... yes, as is his partner.... BUT his goals doesn't reflect how good some people might think he is based off stats.. Like I said eirlier.. Look at the Cisar kid from Moose lake. WHere is he now?
Bottom line is these record breaking goal scorers wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the pile if they didn't play for mediocre ( at best ) class A teams.. and Yes I will include Pohl, Hanowski, and Nelson all in that same category
I dont think you can put Cisar for Moose Lake in the same category as Nelson. Kid has already commited to the U, Cisar was not even receiving the same attention.
I get it, he wouldn't have over 100 pts playing in the metro but he would still have 60pts, but then that would make him a better player because he put up 60 in the metro vs 110 in 3A?
The best player in the metro will never set the season scoring record, it will always come from a small town that benefits from playing a weaker schedule. I agree with you on that. Just trying to give the kid some credit for what he has done his 8th-10th grade seasons.
InYourFace09 wrote:I get it, he wouldn't have over 100 pts playing in the metro but he would still have 60pts, but then that would make him a better player because he put up 60 in the metro vs 110 in 3A?
It's not the number of points he would have had playing in the metro, whatever that would have been. Rather it's the much improved competition he would have faced that would have helped him become a better player, sooner.
But I agree 100% that he should get all the credit in the world for what he's accomplished. He's done something that all the players who've come before him were not able to do - and he was just a sophomore!
If goal scoring is the mark.....look at the d and goalies they have played against. Who in 3A can play 2 pair of strong D and has a strong goaltender? Go ahead and look up the goalie rankings on hockey hub.
That said the kid played well with the hand he was dealt
observer wrote:Before you silly superstars dis an incredible all time Minnesota record I insist you post how many goals you or or your son scored as a sophomore.
Maybe some comments are jealous. This jealousy card is so easy to play, but some comments have made some good points about scoring titles achieved in the weakest division against the weakest competition. When it is said that this kid is top ranked in "State and/or Country," he is rightfully subject to this scrutiny. I suggest anyone who wants to see it for oneself, buy a ticket to the HP16 top 54 this spring. You will see how he does among more talented players. IMHO, last year he blended in with the 15's in stats and overall play. The timing of his early commitment to Minnesota last year had many scratching their heads at these festivals. Everyone should have been excited to see, and expect a superstar. It seems legitimate scrutiny that accompanies any champion or top ranked individual. And not just among jealous fathers. Everyone realizes that he made history this year, some just feel you can put an hypothetical asterisk on it.
