Soviet Union (Hermantown) dominating again

BlueLine_D · Post by **BlueLine_D** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:48 am

InYourFace09 wrote:
rainier wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote: LOL, Yes, that Section was a doozy! From 2010-2013 Hermantown outscored their opponents in the Section Playoffs 84-8! It's amazing they survived.
Remember fellas, it's not that Hermantown is good, it's that the rest of Class A just sucks.
Just remember, there was no guaranteed win in there!! But they managed to be favored every game.

This is a good point they did still have to win every game along the way and to their credit they did. But I still think they are/were so much better than every other team in section playoffs that it wasn't too much of a question.

Thunderstruck · Post by **Thunderstruck** » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:21 am

I posted this on another thread but feels it fits here too. I have boys playing on a different 7A team but I like having Hermantown in section 7A. It will make it sweet the year one of the other teams knocks of a great team. Reminds me of Rapids and others back in the day with the one class system. Competion is good. TO BE THE BEST YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE BEST.

Brecky1 · Post by **Brecky1** » Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:46 am

hermantown2000 wrote:In the Soviet era of hockey only one or two teams could skate with them. Czechoslovkia and Sweden (Finland and Canada had some modest succes and the US only twice beat the Russians in the Olympic.). There is only team in A that can play the role of the Czechs and Swedes and beat the Hawks. Breck. Is everyone now going to be jumping on the Mustangs band wagon and root for the private school now. Is the crowd at the X now going to be hostile toward Hermantown if the Hawks get there again?

We will be cheering for Breckoslovkia this year

GoldenBear · Post by **GoldenBear** » Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:06 am

Nope! Cheering for Delanozueala! GB

hockeymannorth · Post by **hockeymannorth** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:03 am

What about East Grand forks back to back state championships, Breck 2 state championships since 2009 why not them to AA?

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:40 am

hockeymannorth wrote:What about East Grand forks back to back state championships, Breck 2 state championships since 2009 why not them to AA?

Of course Breck should be in AA, that's obvious.

It should also be obvious that EGF had one great group come through and now they have come back to earth after two years, while Hermantown is likely going to their 8th Class A title game in the last 10 years, and their youth teams continue to compete well at AA.

If EGF's youth teams played AA and were competing well with the Eden Prairie's and Edina's, then yes, they should go AA. EGF's youth teams are solid, but they compete in A, not AA.

Hermantown beat the 7AA champion 5-0, the 6AA champion 5-3, and lost to the 8AA champion by one, while EGF couldn't even win 8A.

If you can't see the CLEAR distinction between Hermantown and EGF, then may god help you.

Jeffy95 · Post by **Jeffy95** » Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:59 pm

hockeymannorth wrote:What about East Grand forks back to back state championships, Breck 2 state championships since 2009 why not them to AA?

EGF had that once in a lifetime class come through. That's what Class A hockey is all about, the chance to dream that if you do have that class, maybe you can do something special. Hermantown Academy pulls in the top 2-3 players per class from each Association in the area. That can't be what the Founding Fathers of Class A hockey had in mind....

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:08 am

Jeffy95 wrote:
hockeymannorth wrote:What about East Grand forks back to back state championships, Breck 2 state championships since 2009 why not them to AA?
EGF had that once in a lifetime class come through. That's what Class A hockey is all about, the chance to dream that if you do have that class, maybe you can do something special. Hermantown Academy pulls in the top 2-3 players per class from each Association in the area. That can't be what the Founding Fathers of Class A hockey had in mind....

Top 2-3 players from each association? What a bunch of bs.

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Sat Feb 27, 2016 3:47 am

pekyman wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote:
hockeymannorth wrote:What about East Grand forks back to back state championships, Breck 2 state championships since 2009 why not them to AA?
EGF had that once in a lifetime class come through. That's what Class A hockey is all about, the chance to dream that if you do have that class, maybe you can do something special. Hermantown Academy pulls in the top 2-3 players per class from each Association in the area. That can't be what the Founding Fathers of Class A hockey had in mind....
Top 2-3 players from each association? What a bunch of bs.

Your two best defenseman live in the Proctor school district and your 3rd best d-man moved to Hermantown when he was 16.

On your 2nd line, one kid is from Proctor school district and the other moved to Hermantown four years ago, when he was already a fantastic player.

If you had only the "hometown" kids playing at Hermantown, you'd have four excellent forwards, mediocre-at-best defense, and an excellent goalie. This would make you very similar to just about every other top ten A team other than Breck.

Your program benefits hugely from being in a metro area of 150,000 people, just admit it.

pekyman · Post by **pekyman** » Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:23 am

rainier wrote:
pekyman wrote:
Jeffy95 wrote: EGF had that once in a lifetime class come through. That's what Class A hockey is all about, the chance to dream that if you do have that class, maybe you can do something special. Hermantown Academy pulls in the top 2-3 players per class from each Association in the area. That can't be what the Founding Fathers of Class A hockey had in mind....
Top 2-3 players from each association? What a bunch of bs.
Your two best defenseman live in the Proctor school district and your 3rd best d-man moved to Hermantown when he was 16.

On your 2nd line, one kid is from Proctor school district and the other moved to Hermantown four years ago, when he was already a fantastic player.

If you had only the "hometown" kids playing at Hermantown, you'd have four excellent forwards, mediocre-at-best defense, and an excellent goalie. This would make you very similar to just about every other top ten A team other than Breck.

Your program benefits hugely from being in a metro area of 150,000 people, just admit it.

It's funny how proctor gets credit for players that live closer to Hermantown and have never actually went to proctor. Played and developed in Hermantown their entire life but somehow they were recruited and taken from proctor. What a joke. I get it, Hermantown is good and you want them to move up but painting them as the STA of the north that gets the majority of its top players from other programs is flat out bs. Hermantown has a vastly superior hockey program to Hibbing and they out worked, skilled and muscled your team. Put your boys in the Hermantown program and work ethic and they would be competitive with the top teams. I know, I talk to disgruntled Hibbing parents. Maybe if you quit your whining and improved your program you would attract players to your program. You have twice the inside ice and one of the nicest arenas in Minnesota. Puts the modest 1 sheet Hermantown arena to shame. Anyway, you keep repeating your anti Hermantown rants and they are anti because you are disparaging the hard working coaches, players and parents that do so much to make the program what it is by saying there just like Hibbing. they just steal star players from all the surrounding programs that's why their so good. Yea right and yes, I'm really sick of you.

rainier · Post by **rainier** » Sat Feb 27, 2016 4:48 am

pekyman wrote:
rainier wrote:
pekyman wrote: Top 2-3 players from each association? What a bunch of bs.
Your two best defenseman live in the Proctor school district and your 3rd best d-man moved to Hermantown when he was 16.

On your 2nd line, one kid is from Proctor school district and the other moved to Hermantown four years ago, when he was already a fantastic player.

If you had only the "hometown" kids playing at Hermantown, you'd have four excellent forwards, mediocre-at-best defense, and an excellent goalie. This would make you very similar to just about every other top ten A team other than Breck.

Your program benefits hugely from being in a metro area of 150,000 people, just admit it.
It's funny how proctor gets credit for players that live closer to Hermantown and have never actually went to proctor. Played and developed in Hermantown their entire life but somehow they were recruited and taken from proctor. What a joke. I get it, Hermantown is good and you want them to move up but painting them as the STA of the north that gets the majority of its top players from other programs is flat out bs. Hermantown has a vastly superior hockey program to Hibbing and they out worked, skilled and muscled your team. Put your boys in the Hermantown program and work ethic and they would be competitive with the top teams. I know, I talk to disgruntled Hibbing parents. Maybe if you quit your whining and improved your program you would attract players to your program. You have twice the inside ice and one of the nicest arenas in Minnesota. Puts the modest 1 sheet Hermantown arena to shame. Anyway, you keep repeating your anti Hermantown rants and they are anti because you are disparaging the hard working coaches, players and parents that do so much to make the program what it is by saying there just like Hibbing. they just steal star players from all the surrounding programs that's why their so good. Yea right and yes, I'm really sick of you.

I think it's great that Hermantown's school and hockey program is good enough to attract so many talented players to their team. I really do. I just think that when a team in a metro area starts to attract this many outsiders and has as much success as Hermantown has had, then they have to be AA and should be relentlessly shamed until they do.

I am not disparaging the hardworking parents, players, and coaches. (Plante only.) I constantly compliment them on what they have built, and many others do also. What I disparage is the claim that your success is built entirely on "hometown" kids, which it clearly is not.

You seem to think that if the entire Hermantown program were to switch geographic places with the TRF or Greenway program, that Hermantown would still be just as good. No chance. Being a suburb in a metro area of 150,000 people is an enormous advantage over isolated community schools such as Little Falls, Virginia, or I-Falls.

I'm not taking anything away from the parents, players, and coaches when I say that, I am only taking away from your insanely over-inflated view of your program.

I remember when the STA people's response to your whining was "Make your program better." Yet, you did not accept this as sufficient reason to accept STA being in A, so why should I accept it from you? You can't have it both ways peky.

Regardless, five of the top ten players from Hermantown are either open-enrollees or have moved there the last 3-4 years, so half of your best talent are not "hometown." You have a great program, but without open-enrollment in a metro area of 150,000 people, the Hawks are just another good A program, not great.