elite leaugue rosters

Finn70 · Post by **Finn70** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 8:10 am

As I said, I have no specific loyalty in this case. I don't favor a kid playing at the nearby high school any more than a kid who is playing 100 miles from me. Unlike Sioux fan, I don't favor one area of MN over another and I realize the situation will never be perfect enough to satisfy everybody. All the organizers can do is do what they feel is the best way to handle it. I am sure the recognize that there will be a few critics out there that won't like things no matter how the selection process is handled. That's just the way it is and I am sure they have thick enough skin to not care what a few naysayers might ramble about. I may have loyalties in some situations in life but this is not one of those cases. As for the suggestion about asking for recommendations and tallying up the number of recommendations each kid receives and taking the top 120 for the league, I see that as more flawed than the way the process was described earlier in this thread. I would hope the people involved with the league would have an opinion in the selection process that would at least include some sort of personal observations of kids actually performing on the ice.

puckhead63 · Post by **puckhead63** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:23 am

Ibleedgreen: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>no way am i ever going to believe that there is that much effort put in to an evaluation process for this league. it is purely on coaches' recommendations and other arrangements made behind the scenes. for you to pretend otherwise is an insult to our intelligence or a very, very sad statement on the competency of the evaluators.<hr></blockquote> I'm sorry you feel this way. What I can tell you is that I DO SIT in these meetings and YES - THERE IS MUCH DISCUSSION AND EFFORT IN SELECTING TO TOP PLAYERS. We also bring in "other coaches - not HS coaches, but collegiate and Junior coaches" in these meetings from time to time to get their opinion/s as well. I am sorry if we have over looked you, your son, and/or a friend of yours. IT IS our intent to offer a spot on the league to players that are at the top of the HS program. Is it perfect? No, but it is the best process we can come up with. The Junior, collegiate, and professional scouts are all aware of our efforts to put the top players on the ice and that is why we have as many as 10 - 15 in attendance every week! Yes we know that because they all sign in just in case you doubt that too. If a top player is a football player or soccer player and they are not able to make a 100% committment, they will not play in the league. That needs to be understood. I have spoken to many people who have asked why a certain player in not in the league and if this was the top players, then this person would be in the league. My next question back to them is "are they a committed football player?" 99% of the time the answer is yes and I can tell you that 99% of the time they have already been contacted and they have declined the invitiation to the league or we have elected not to take them because their football allowed them to only play 50% of the games. Point in case - last year - Nate Hanson from EP was clearly one of the top players in the state. He turned it down due to his fall baseball schedule. I have so many stories like this, I could go on forever - but I won't! Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... khead63</A> at: 7/16/05 10:29 am

Eddie Shore · Post by **Eddie Shore** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:25 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If a top player is a football player or soccer player and they are not able to make a 100% committment, they will not play in the league.<hr></blockquote> Has there been a change in philosophy, Puckhead63? If so, John should have the website updated. From: www.hselitehockey.com: Can I play a fall sport and play in the program? Yes. Though challenging, it is possible. In 2003, approximately 30 percent of the players in the program played a fall sport. Because there are two games on Saturday and one on Sunday, even players with a Saturday soccer game should be able to participate in two of the three weekend games. Puckhead, I believe we know one another and I'm not trying to stir the pot. I do, however, think the league's policy in this area needs to be cleaned up. I believe it's a well-run league and good for our kids.

super tacks · Post by **super tacks** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:27 pm

Does any body have any senior players who might be deserving to showcase their skills in the elite league , but did not make the roster cuts ?

super tacks · Post by **super tacks** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 2:15 pm

Thought about it for a bit -- here is a potential list of senior players who probably could play in the league and do just fine.The issue as I see it , is alot of underclassmen have been chosen ahead of these players. My question outloud is -- Why not let the seniors have the opportunity to play in the league ? In many cases the seniors will grow and continue to develop based on their maturity and the simple fact that this is the 3rd period of their H.S. career. Many of the underclassmen will have their chance next year to play in the league... I thought the purpose of the league was to showcase seniors who want to play at another level as well as keeping MN. high school players from exiting to junior hockey early. I may be incorrect in my assumption. Forwards: Follmer - Como, Mlodozyniec - Cloq., Forney - TRF, Potter - Hib , Ritts - DM , Kozak - Breck, Dahl - MV, Erickson - Roseau, Rodlund - Herm, Nelson - DE, Johnson - Denfeld Defense: Steege - Roch, Hylle - Breck, Hill - Herm, Biermeier - Roseau, Jones - DM, Crouse - Alex, Dynan - Orono, Letourneau - DM, Bauer - CP, Bigaoutte - Chaska

Hot Ice 7 · Post by **Hot Ice 7** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:02 pm

A couple of the players that you listed are on USHL rosters such as Forney and Bauer. That is why they aren't in the Elite League.

puckhead63 · Post by **puckhead63** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:58 pm

You are correct - It is not a policy that if a player plays football or soccer they can not play. I am just trying to state (maybe over stated) in many cases the football players do play. What is asked by the player is that they make a committment to the league. No problem if a player is unable to play a game here or there. However, many of the players say that they can make half of the games for this reason or another. Usually the player makes the decision, not the league that they do not want to play because they simply can't make that level of committment. I want to make sure that it is understood - it is not a league policy that a player is ineligible to play of they play a fall sport - however, it is expected that they give the a strong committment to the Elite league and if they are unable to do so, then maybe the league is not the right thing for them to do. Sorry if my overstatement created a stir! I was just trying to make a point that this is one reason why youu don't always see the top players in the league - and yes, we do spend a lot of time trying to find the best players - that is all.

BrokenStick06 · Post by **BrokenStick06** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:57 pm

Puck63 Always enjoy reading ur insightful posts. I would like to make a suggestion though to the selection process. Perhaps it's flawed. Since HS coaches are involved and the "selection" process takes course during the season, would it not make sense for coaches to tell their Varsity and JV kids this is happening? Ask them to come see them if they are interested in pursuing this league. If the kid wants it bad enough he would go talk to the coach, and the coach would have any opportunity to say u need to work on this or that to be considered. I think it would up really help raise the calibre of hockey overall. But it places more emphasis on how bad the kid wants it and I think thru the evalation process might provide kids with another reason to become better hockey players. Then the kid could at least feel he had the opportunity to be there. BTW, my son should be playing varsity soccer this fall so probably wouldn't work for him anyways. Duel sport guy. But it is disappointing to the kids when stuff is happening behind their backs and they never knew about it.

Finn70 · Post by **Finn70** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 6:46 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>If the kid wants it bad enough he would go talk to the coach, and the coach would have any opportunity to say u need to work on this or that to be considered. <hr></blockquote> Shouldn't a coach be telling kids what they have to work on to get better anyway? I mean, isn't this the job of a coach in the first place?

BrokenStick06 · Post by **BrokenStick06** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:14 pm

Finn, You missed the point. Yes coaches should be telling kids what they need to improve on. And I'm sure most do. This was about about the kids and programs available if they want to work for them. I gotta believe that good hockey players out there have no idea of these types of programs. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... Stick06</A> at: 7/16/05 7:39 pm

Observer85 · Post by **Observer85** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 8:03 pm

Two points... "I gotta believe that good hockey players out there have no idea of these types of programs".... Have to disagree. Most players who have the desire to play at a level higher than high school are fully aware of this league. This as well as other opportunities such as junior tryouts in the summer are chances for kids to gauge where they are compared to others. I have seen many kids at USHL and NAHL camps this summer who are to be juniors and seniors this coming season trying out. Many times it is to compare themselves to others but also it is a chance to skate in front college coaches that attend these tryouts. In reference to Puckhead63's comment on how difficult it is for a multi sport athlete to do both. Last year, Jake Mahachek of Eastview attempted to do both. He lasted 4-5 weeks and chose to focus on football, as the time commitment was too much. This is just another example. I think the mission statement for the elite league is correct, in theory...to let kids play both. But since that statement was written, reality has proven how difficult it is to compete in multi sports...thus the selection committees are careful not to overextend a kid. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... erver85</A> at: 7/17/05 7:42 am

BrokenStick06 · Post by **BrokenStick06** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:26 pm

I knew my post was gonna get me in trouble! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

Hockeyfever · Post by **Hockeyfever** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 9:17 pm

does anybody know why jared smith was traded to Northwest rather than staying on the north team where he played last year???<

wild77 · Post by **wild77** » Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:04 pm

I'm not sure there is any story to tell about Jared's situation. I also noticed he was not on the North roster, but I also saw that happen last year when Scott Baker from CEC was put onto the Great Plains roster. The Elite League is supposed to accept talent from any area regardless of open roster positions on elite teams from that area. If the North team had spots for 15 forwards, but there were 20 forwards that made the league they would have to place 5 forwards with other teams.

NPGandyDancer · Post by **NPGandyDancer** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:56 am

brokenschick06...i understood your logic through your thread, but, observer felt it to be somewhat canted. that's why he hates guys who drive soy burners (great on gas mileage) as well! go figure eh...

puckingood · Post by **puckingood** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:35 pm

five pages on this thread.............pretty incredible that the "insiders" don't weigh in until it becomes so confused and jumbled nobody remembers what the original question was..... OK puckhead and whoever else is trying to justify this whole elite thing.............7 Hill Murray kids.......yeah right..you want to clear this up? no problem.......why don't you post the kids that were invited........the kids that turned the invitation down.............the kids that were invited to tryout......and what locations they were invited to try-out at......it will never happen.....why? because it's the good buddy league

Knowlze · Post by **Knowlze** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:33 pm

The Elite will choose the Elite players. The Elite players are not necessarily the best players, or the most deserving players, or even the type players the league originally intended to serve, but they are truly Elite players. Because of the number of players in this state, the league will generally consist of very good hockey players. No selection process will get the best or most deserving players, ever. However, the Elite will always be selected, hence the name of the league. A suggestion to the personnel that run the league, don't be concerned with having the NAME players in your league. Stick to your original intent, a place for the varsity age players to play good competition prior to the high school season. I don't see any reason to have any 9th or 10th grade players on the rosters. Be patient, you will get them in a year or two. Sometimes we give players too many opportunities too early in their career. There is something to be said for keeping goals out there for players, something to work towards.

Chico · Post by **Chico** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:09 pm

Does anyone know what happened to Cameron Cooper, defensemen for AHA? Did not see his name on any roster, maybe he is taking the juniors route?

Ibleedgreen · Post by **Ibleedgreen** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:22 pm

puckingood: you are right on the money. that is a very interesting thought to disclose who got free entry to the league, who had to tryout, and who declined. by analyzing those lists one could clearly see that the league is just an extension of the good buddy league of connected ex-players, ex-coaches, and full-time suck-ups. truely it is sad to see that hockey still does, and always will work this way.

Observer85 · Post by **Observer85** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:57 pm

Chico- Cooper is listed on the Tri City roster of the USHL. Other Elite League players from last year playing USHL this year are Forney (TRF) and Wehrs (Wayzata). All three are the US U-18 team that will play in Slovakia and the Czech Republic in August.

NPGandyDancer · Post by **NPGandyDancer** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:09 am

ibleedgreen. i'm a neutral observer (reader) on this thread...don't have a kid who plays unlike brokenstick and puckhead63 and a few others...but, your post smacks of being dangerously close to the reality of how things are done with regard to the elite league. sorry puckhead63...as much as you purport to be fair in the selection process, it's who you know, knew, played with or who you placate to better your (players) situation. on one level the players who experience this system vis-a-vis the overinvolved old-man can use the same approach in the real world post hockey workplace. i'm still amazed that a couple of players who skated elite II last year got a free pass...no tyrout necessary...and jumped on board an elite team. these players are slightly above average relative to their high school teammates and arguably are not "elite" caliber in many eyes. hummel, connelly, r.j.anderson...these are "elite" players. when the high school ranks are being depleted by the likes of joe finley for junior hockey, someone gets to replace them in the elite league.

Chico · Post by **Chico** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:31 am

Observer85, thanks for the info, should be a great experience for these 3 on the U.S. under 18 team.

neutralzonetrapper · Post by **neutralzonetrapper** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:27 pm

Elite leage..... Checkbook hockey.... pretty much the same thing..... you whiners quit whining or start your own league cut the price and only invite the kids that you want i'm sure you will be able to make it work, riiiiiight.

puckingood · Post by **puckingood** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:53 pm

neutralzonetrapper.......did you think of that intelligent comment all by yourself?.......everybody is entitled to an opinion....yes, even you

puckingood · Post by **puckingood** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:43 pm

I think this is all a hoot...........nobody associated with elite I had the guts to answer or pick up the challenge associated with elite I questions challenging the good buddy system (com on Hartzell....step up and explain to us all how all your Hill -Murray/White Bear marginal kids got the big invites.....7 of them for H-M alone) so why would anyone expect elite II to be close to being anything better........bottom line it's all check book hockey........thank god the high school season will start shortly and all this phoney crap will be put behind us.

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