POLLS, GAME NOTES and COMMENTS
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POLLS, GAME NOTES and COMMENTS
The LPH poll came out today...
LPH
AA
1 EDINA
2. MG
3. EP
4. ER/Z
5. HM
6. BLAINE
7. CENT
8. LKVL S
9. CDH
10. FLAKE
11. CHAS/CHAN
12. WAYZATA
13. TONKA
14. MOUNDS VIEW
15. HOPKINS/PARK
16. EAGAN
17. WBL
18. DODGE COUNTY
19. SHAKOPEE
20. BRAINERD/LF
A
1 BLAKE
2 BRECK
3 WARROAD
4 SPU
5 TRF
6 DELANO/ROCKFORD
7 P/H
8 NEW PRAGUE
9 PRINCETON
10 HIB/CHIS
LPH
AA
1 EDINA
2. MG
3. EP
4. ER/Z
5. HM
6. BLAINE
7. CENT
8. LKVL S
9. CDH
10. FLAKE
11. CHAS/CHAN
12. WAYZATA
13. TONKA
14. MOUNDS VIEW
15. HOPKINS/PARK
16. EAGAN
17. WBL
18. DODGE COUNTY
19. SHAKOPEE
20. BRAINERD/LF
A
1 BLAKE
2 BRECK
3 WARROAD
4 SPU
5 TRF
6 DELANO/ROCKFORD
7 P/H
8 NEW PRAGUE
9 PRINCETON
10 HIB/CHIS
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Re: POLLS, GAME NOTES and COMMENTS
nu2hockey wrote:The LPH poll came out today...
LPH
AA
1 EDINA
2. MG
3. EP
4. ER/Z
5. HM
6. BLAINE
7. CENT
8. LKVL S
9. CDH
10. FLAKE
11. CHAS/CHAN
12. WAYZATA
13. TONKA
14. MOUNDS VIEW
15. HOPKINS/PARK
16. EAGAN
17. WBL
18. DODGE COUNTY
19. SHAKOPEE
20. BRAINERD/LF
A
1 BLAKE
2 BRECK
3 WARROAD
4 SPU
5 TRF
6 DELANO/ROCKFORD
7 P/H
8 NEW PRAGUE
9 PRINCETON
10 HIB/CHIS
Last edited by itsfoilcoach on Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
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itsfoilcoach wrote:Again - It looks like The AA rankings seem to fall into place by wins and loses a bit, not by SOS, or god forbid any other reliable imperical type of data to reflect talent. The A rankings are just wacked to the point 500 teams, or a game over 500 still gets you a top ten after close to a dozen games. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings here. But some of those northern teams...w*t*f. These poles seemed to be more about personality contest (ice fishing/beer drinking buddies) more than anything. Maybe it's just a north vs south vs city team thing when these "coaches" are ranking these supposed top ten/twenty teams. It can be the only logical explanation year after year for this crap. It really was more reliable 8 to 10 years ago than it is today. After the number one rankings on the A and the AA side I stop looking. And for those who look after the ten spot, you'll never get back that 30 seconds you just wasted.nu2hockey wrote:The LPH poll came out today...
LPH
AA
1 EDINA
2. MG
3. EP
?. ER/Z
5. HM
6. BLAINE
7. CENT
8. LKVL S
?. CDH
10. FLAKE
11. CHAS/CHAN
12. WAYZATA
13. TONKA
14. MOUNDS VIEW
15. HOPKINS/PARK
16. EAGAN
17. WBL
18. DODGE COUNTY
19. SHAKOPEE
20. BRAINERD/LF
A
1 BLAKE
2 BRECK
? WARHEAD
4 SPU
? TRF
6 DELANO/ROCKFORD
7 P/H
?? NEW PRAGUE
?? PRINCETON
? HIB/CHIS
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itsfoilcoach wrote:oh well...itsfoilcoach wrote:Again - It looks like The AA rankings seem to fall into place by wins and loses a bit, not by SOS, or god forbid any other reliable imperical type of data to reflect talent. The A rankings are just wacked to the point 500 teams, or a game over 500 still gets you a top ten after close to a dozen games. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings here. But some of those northern teams...w*t*f. These poles seemed to be more about personality contest (ice fishing/beer drinking buddies) more than anything. Maybe it's just a north vs south vs city team thing when these "coaches" are ranking these supposed top ten/twenty teams. It can be the only logical explanation year after year for this crap. It really was more reliable 8 to 10 years ago than it is today. After the number one rankings on the A and the AA side I stop looking. And for those who look after the ten spot, you'll never get back that 30 seconds you just wasted.nu2hockey wrote:The LPH poll came out today...
LPH
AA
1 EDINA
2. MG
3. EP
?. ER/Z
5. HM
6. BLAINE
7. CENT
8. LKVL S
?. CDH
10. FLAKE
11. CHAS/CHAN
12. WAYZATA
13. TONKA
14. MOUNDS VIEW
15. HOPKINS/PARK
16. EAGAN
17. WBL
18. DODGE COUNTY
19. SHAKOPEE
20. BRAINERD/LF
A
1 BLAKE
2 BRECK
? WARHEAD
4 SPU
? TRF
6 DELANO/ROCKFORD
7 P/H
?? NEW PRAGUE
?? PRINCETON
? HIB/CHIS
We have a playoff system and won't pick a champion based on a poll. I doubt any coaches care what they are ranked in December. A lot of teams will end up splitting with teams they just beat or lost to in conference so it needs to play out anyway.
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Spot on Foil ... the outstate bias in the AA poll has gone too far. Surely there are two more metro teams that ought to be in the top 20.itsfoilcoach wrote:The LPH poll came out today...
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Again - It looks like The AA rankings seem to fall into place by wins and loses a bit, not by SOS, or god forbid any other reliable imperical type of data to reflect talent. The A rankings are just wacked to the point 500 teams, or a game over 500 still gets you a top ten after close to a dozen games. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings here. But some of those northern teams...w*t*f. These poles seemed to be more about personality contest (ice fishing/beer drinking buddies) more than anything. Maybe it's just a north vs south vs city team thing when these "coaches" are ranking these supposed top ten/twenty teams. It can be the only logical explanation year after year for this crap. It really was more reliable 8 to 10 years ago than it is today. After the number one rankings on the A and the AA side I stop looking. And for those who look after the ten spot, you'll never get back that 30 seconds you just wasted.
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Foil- How about you share your rational for questioning the rankings those teams you have called out with a (?) or (??)
LPH
AA
1 EDINA
2. MG
3. EP
?. ER/Z
5. HM
6. BLAINE
7. CENT
8. LKVL S
?. CDH
10. FLAKE
11. CHAS/CHAN
12. WAYZATA
13. TONKA
14. MOUNDS VIEW
15. HOPKINS/PARK
16. EAGAN
17. WBL
18. DODGE COUNTY
19. SHAKOPEE
20. BRAINERD/LF
A
1 BLAKE
2 BRECK
? WARHEAD
4 SPU
? TRF
6 DELANO/ROCKFORD
7 P/H
?? NEW PRAGUE
?? PRINCETON
? HIB/CHIS
LPH
AA
1 EDINA
2. MG
3. EP
?. ER/Z
5. HM
6. BLAINE
7. CENT
8. LKVL S
?. CDH
10. FLAKE
11. CHAS/CHAN
12. WAYZATA
13. TONKA
14. MOUNDS VIEW
15. HOPKINS/PARK
16. EAGAN
17. WBL
18. DODGE COUNTY
19. SHAKOPEE
20. BRAINERD/LF
A
1 BLAKE
2 BRECK
? WARHEAD
4 SPU
? TRF
6 DELANO/ROCKFORD
7 P/H
?? NEW PRAGUE
?? PRINCETON
? HIB/CHIS
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itsfoilcoach wrote:I don't get the anger. We're looking at 1/3 of the AA teams (there are only 61). Who is missing here that should be ranked?itsfoilcoach wrote:Again - It looks like The AA rankings seem to fall into place by wins and loses a bit, not by SOS, or god forbid any other reliable imperical type of data to reflect talent. The A rankings are just wacked to the point 500 teams, or a game over 500 still gets you a top ten after close to a dozen games. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings here. But some of those northern teams...w*t*f. These poles seemed to be more about personality contest (ice fishing/beer drinking buddies) more than anything. Maybe it's just a north vs south vs city team thing when these "coaches" are ranking these supposed top ten/twenty teams. It can be the only logical explanation year after year for this crap. It really was more reliable 8 to 10 years ago than it is today. After the number one rankings on the A and the AA side I stop looking. And for those who look after the ten spot, you'll never get back that 30 seconds you just wasted.nu2hockey wrote:The LPH poll came out today...
LPH
AA
1 EDINA
2. MG
3. EP
?. ER/Z
5. HM
6. BLAINE
7. CENT
8. LKVL S
?. CDH
10. FLAKE
11. CHAS/CHAN
12. WAYZATA
13. TONKA
14. MOUNDS VIEW
15. HOPKINS/PARK
16. EAGAN
17. WBL
18. DODGE COUNTY
19. SHAKOPEE
20. BRAINERD/LF
A
1 BLAKE
2 BRECK
? WARHEAD
4 SPU
? TRF
6 DELANO/ROCKFORD
7 P/H
?? NEW PRAGUE
?? PRINCETON
? HIB/CHIS
Maybe the rankings should instead change to Section rankings to give people a better idea of who the favorites are to go to state. For example, 3 of the top 7 teams are in Section 5. Ranking Maple Grove against Blaine and Centennial might be a better driver of debate than ranking Maple Grove against Elk River. I would enjoy posts diving into section rankings. These state rankings aren't of much utility.
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Not a poll but this site gives you each team's record within the section. Good handy reference.jg2112 wrote:Maybe the rankings should instead change to Section rankings to give people a better idea of who the favorites are to go to state. For example, 3 of the top 7 teams are in Section 5. Ranking Maple Grove against Blaine and Centennial might be a better driver of debate than ranking Maple Grove against Elk River. I would enjoy posts diving into section rankings. These state rankings aren't of much utility.
http://www.minnesota-scores.net./classs ... 10&class=3
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This site does have the QRF rankings which they use for the section rankings, plus the KRACH has sectional rankings.MNHockeyFan wrote:Not a poll but this site gives you each team's record within the section. Good handy reference.jg2112 wrote:Maybe the rankings should instead change to Section rankings to give people a better idea of who the favorites are to go to state. For example, 3 of the top 7 teams are in Section 5. Ranking Maple Grove against Blaine and Centennial might be a better driver of debate than ranking Maple Grove against Elk River. I would enjoy posts diving into section rankings. These state rankings aren't of much utility.
http://www.minnesota-scores.net./classs ... 10&class=3
It is really interesting when you compare all four (4) of the ranking systems and see how each reaches their respective lists...
the weekly changes in each is telling in how each system places value on the previous weeks play..revealing each system's "bias" as to what has value
A breakdown of last LPH Rankings for AA by conference and with Section affiliation after
Lake
1 EDINA - 6AA
3. EP 2AA
12. WAYZATA 6AA
13. TONKA 2AA
15. HOPKINS/PARK 6AA
Northwest Suburban
2. MG 5AA
4. ER/Z 7AA
6. BLAINE 5AA
7. CENT 5AA
Suburban East
9. CDH 6AA
10. FLAKE 7AA
14. MOUNDS VIEW 4AA
17. WBL 4AA
Metro West
11. CHAS/CHAN 2AA
South Suburban
8. LKVL S 1AA
16. EAGAN 3AA
19. SHAKOPEE 2AA
Metro East
5. HM - 4AA
Independent
18. DODGE COUNTY 1AA
Central Lakes
20. BRAINERD/LF 8AA
AA Representitives by Section
1AA- 2
2AA- 4
3AA- 1
4AA- 3
5AA- 3
6AA- 4
7AA- 2
8AA- 1
Lake
1 EDINA - 6AA
3. EP 2AA
12. WAYZATA 6AA
13. TONKA 2AA
15. HOPKINS/PARK 6AA
Northwest Suburban
2. MG 5AA
4. ER/Z 7AA
6. BLAINE 5AA
7. CENT 5AA
Suburban East
9. CDH 6AA
10. FLAKE 7AA
14. MOUNDS VIEW 4AA
17. WBL 4AA
Metro West
11. CHAS/CHAN 2AA
South Suburban
8. LKVL S 1AA
16. EAGAN 3AA
19. SHAKOPEE 2AA
Metro East
5. HM - 4AA
Independent
18. DODGE COUNTY 1AA
Central Lakes
20. BRAINERD/LF 8AA
AA Representitives by Section
1AA- 2
2AA- 4
3AA- 1
4AA- 3
5AA- 3
6AA- 4
7AA- 2
8AA- 1
POLLS
LPH, QRF,KRACH,LSQ
AA
1 EDINA 1,1,1
2 MG 2,2,2
3 EP 3,5,3
4 ER/Z 4,6,6
5 HM 5,4,4
6 BLAINE 8,9,5
7 LKVL S 7,7,12
8 CENT 10,10,7
9 TONKA 22,17,10
10 CDH 16,14,11
11 FLAKE 32,29,9
12 C/C 29,20,15
13 WZTA 24,23,18
14 MV 9,13,
15 H/P 12,8,16
16 EAGAN 14,15,19
17 WBL 11,16,13
18 LKVL N 19,19,17
19 SHAKOP 13,12,20
20 DC 20,18
LPH,QRF,KRACH,LSQ
A
1 BLAKE 1,2,2
2 BRECK 2,1,1
3 SPU 3,3,4
4 WARROAD 16,11,5
5 P/H 4,4,8
6 TRF 8,7,3
7 DELANO 6,5,7
8 NP 11,6,6
9 PRNCTN 5,9,11
10 RW 10,8,10
LPH, QRF,KRACH,LSQ
AA
1 EDINA 1,1,1
2 MG 2,2,2
3 EP 3,5,3
4 ER/Z 4,6,6
5 HM 5,4,4
6 BLAINE 8,9,5
7 LKVL S 7,7,12
8 CENT 10,10,7
9 TONKA 22,17,10
10 CDH 16,14,11
11 FLAKE 32,29,9
12 C/C 29,20,15
13 WZTA 24,23,18
14 MV 9,13,
15 H/P 12,8,16
16 EAGAN 14,15,19
17 WBL 11,16,13
18 LKVL N 19,19,17
19 SHAKOP 13,12,20
20 DC 20,18
LPH,QRF,KRACH,LSQ
A
1 BLAKE 1,2,2
2 BRECK 2,1,1
3 SPU 3,3,4
4 WARROAD 16,11,5
5 P/H 4,4,8
6 TRF 8,7,3
7 DELANO 6,5,7
8 NP 11,6,6
9 PRNCTN 5,9,11
10 RW 10,8,10