Section 7AA Seeds

[east hockey]

Okay, now I'm laughing at the idea that Mike somehow has magic powers. Was he given four extra votes in the seedings I wasn't aware of? Almost as fun as my Twitter feed tonight.

I'd post a couple suggestions, but I'd rather try to change Kellyanne Conway's mind on something. Bout the same chance.

Damn, this stuff is good.

Lee

[Slammer]

In other news, Rapids beat Duluth Denfeld 14-0 tonight... Looks like the team is pissed off. Not a bad emotion to play with.

[TheHockeyDJ]

Rapids win tonight is also indicitive of a team recovered from the flu and not puking your guts out anymore. Guys have been playing thru illness since the Bemidji game.

[sanryam]

Rapids win tonight is also indicitive of a team recovered from the flu and not puking your guts out anymore. Guys have been playing thru illness since the Bemidji game.

Could also be that Denfeld is just not that good, being 4-21 and victims of blowouts to many other teams much less talented than GR like Sheyboygan and Red Wing (WHO?)

[Bayside Tigers]

I forgot that Randolph gets the only vote in how section 7AA will be seeded. Yes, I realize that I am biased, but some of you sound like Hillary supporters.

#not my section seeds!!!

Amsoil being in Duluth is definitely an advantage, but I'm not sure that advantage is big enough to determine the outcome of games.

You can't go on a high school hockey board without "Meeehhhhh Trump! Man, you must be a democrat." Give it a rest, will ya. Or take the politics to Facebook or Twitter, where a lot of the world's imperfections are being worked on and solved as we speak. Let me save you the effort of responding "If you don't like it, you can git out!"

When that home ice advantage is in football, 3 points, what is it in hockey? 1 goal? A half goal? How many 1 goal playoff games has Duluth won at the DECC? Which is a vague question, so let's just say within the last 10 or so years. I don't have all the stats, but I'm guessing a study would reveal, on paper, that their success coincides with home ice advantage. Lee, I want to see a detailed report posted. Please include separately the games won where they were a lower seed. And also each team's Let's Play Hockey season final top 20 ranking, just for fun.

I personally wouldn't waste too much time thinking about the section seeds, but is it not always something? Again, I'm an idiot with no statistics, but my (bad) memory tells me that more years than not, this time of year, Duluth is doing some explaining and justifying. Lee, I need a report. Please look into the other 7 sections in the state. Of them, how many times do you see or hear about seeding controversy? Is this frequent all over the state? Or something that looms around the trenches of 7AA? Does it possibly vary?

Let's hear less opinions, and more statistics. I see:

GR an overall record of 17-7-1. Key wins over Esko, WBL, and the state's top 2 teams Cake Eaters and the Cake Eaters.

Esko with a record of 15-8-2, with 1 key win over GR.

What are each team's section records? I'm also reading conflicting reports about GR's horrific drop off at the end of the season (3 game losing streak), but that the team was also flu-stricken during this period.

So what, more clearly, statistically gives Esko the 3 seed? Is it based solely on overall section record?

[mnmouth]

The whining on this thread has now reached the dubious, epic proportions of a Trump press conference or rally. Pretty soon the blame game will start and the Trump influence here will be complete.

Isn't it about time that the whining about where the 7AA semis and final games are played is relegated to a separate thread, just like the Hermantown playing in Class A thread? For us Northern hockey fans, this is the best outcome. Cloquet had zero chance of beating Elk River and an East-Rapids game would have knocked out one of the only two teams in 7AA capable of beating the Elks. Now Elkville likely has to go through both those teams to reach State. And - boo hoo - they have to travel north, likely in luxury on a charter bus to an arena that has no 'peer' in the Section, as kids, the most adaptable, flexible, highly recuperative human beings on Earth. And hopefully they lose.

[sanryam]

The whining on this thread has now reached the dubious, epic proportions of a Trump press conference or rally. Pretty soon the blame game will start and the Trump influence here will be complete.

Isn't it about time that the whining about where the 7AA semis and final games are played is relegated to a separate thread, just like the Hermantown playing in Class A thread? For us Northern hockey fans, this is the best outcome. Cloquet had zero chance of beating Elk River and an East-Rapids game would have knocked out one of the only two teams in 7AA capable of beating the Elks. Now Elkville likely has to go through both those teams to reach State. And - boo hoo - they have to travel north, likely in luxury on a charter bus to an arena that has no 'peer' in the Section, as kids, the most adaptable, flexible, highly recuperative human beings on Earth. And hopefully they lose.

You're assuming Rapids is going to beat Andover in the Quarters, a team the Hawks could only manage to tie during the regular season.

[Slammer]

Rapids win tonight is also indicitive of a team recovered from the flu and not puking your guts out anymore. Guys have been playing thru illness since the Bemidji game.

8 players on Cloquet had the flu also during the Rapids game. No excuses

[Jeffy95]

I forgot that Randolph gets the only vote in how section 7AA will be seeded. Yes, I realize that I am biased, but some of you sound like Hillary supporters.

#not my section seeds!!!

Amsoil being in Duluth is definitely an advantage, but I'm not sure that advantage is big enough to determine the outcome of games.

You can't go on a high school hockey board without "Meeehhhhh Trump! Man, you must be a democrat." Give it a rest, will ya. Or take the politics to Facebook or Twitter, where a lot of the world's imperfections are being worked on and solved as we speak. Let me save you the effort of responding "If you don't like it, you can git out!"

When that home ice advantage is in football, 3 points, what is it in hockey? 1 goal? A half goal? How many 1 goal playoff games has Duluth won at the DECC? Which is a vague question, so let's just say within the last 10 or so years. I don't have all the stats, but I'm guessing a study would reveal, on paper, that their success coincides with home ice advantage. Lee, I want to see a detailed report posted. Please include separately the games won where they were a lower seed. And also each team's Let's Play Hockey season final top 20 ranking, just for fun.

I personally wouldn't waste too much time thinking about the section seeds, but is it not always something? Again, I'm an idiot with no statistics, but my (bad) memory tells me that more years than not, this time of year, Duluth is doing some explaining and justifying. Lee, I need a report. Please look into the other 7 sections in the state. Of them, how many times do you see or hear about seeding controversy? Is this frequent all over the state? Or something that looms around the trenches of 7AA? Does it possibly vary?

Let's hear less opinions, and more statistics. I see:

GR an overall record of 17-7-1. Key wins over Esko, WBL, and the state's top 2 teams Cake Eaters and the Cake Eaters.

Esko with a record of 15-8-2, with 1 key win over GR.

What are each team's section records? I'm also reading conflicting reports about GR's horrific drop off at the end of the season (3 game losing streak), but that the team was also flu-stricken during this period.

So what, more clearly, statistically gives Esko the 3 seed? Is it based solely on overall section record?

From a guy with no skin in the game. I think it is pretty ridiculous that Cloquet got the #3 seed over Rapids. Makes no sense to me.

However, it's a pretty big reach to accuse the other coaches in the Section of colluding to help Randolph and East. Why would they do that? The only logical explanation would be to help out the Northern team and make it tougher on Elk River. But as was pointed out earlier, there are more teams in this section south of Hinckley than there are North of it. So I think that's a pretty tough sell. I guess we just have to take the Section seedings with a grain of salt every year, with no rhyme or reason to them.

And I'm guessing if anyone came forward with a venue that made more sense than Amsoil, the MSHSL would listen. Obviously, that hasn't happened.

[greenwayraider]

One other factor in keeping it at Amsoil is money. Aside from bigger crowds, a Duluth television station broadcasts both the A and AA final. When have you ever known the MSHSL to turn down money?

[mnmouth]

The whining on this thread has now reached the dubious, epic proportions of a Trump press conference or rally. Pretty soon the blame game will start and the Trump influence here will be complete.

Isn't it about time that the whining about where the 7AA semis and final games are played is relegated to a separate thread, just like the Hermantown playing in Class A thread? For us Northern hockey fans, this is the best outcome. Cloquet had zero chance of beating Elk River and an East-Rapids game would have knocked out one of the only two teams in 7AA capable of beating the Elks. Now Elkville likely has to go through both those teams to reach State. And - boo hoo - they have to travel north, likely in luxury on a charter bus to an arena that has no 'peer' in the Section, as kids, the most adaptable, flexible, highly recuperative human beings on Earth. And hopefully they lose.

You're assuming Rapids is going to beat Andover in the Quarters, a team the Hawks could only manage to tie during the regular season.

I'm also assuming that Cloquet will beat Marshall in the Quarters. No easy task.

[Jeffy95]

One other factor in keeping it at Amsoil is money. Aside from bigger crowds, a Duluth television station broadcasts both the A and AA final. When have you ever known the MSHSL to turn down money?

Bingo. Probably the biggest factor and why it will never be moved. If it was played anywhere else they couldn't sell the TV rights because they couldn't get an audience for it.

[TheHockeyDJ]

One other factor in keeping it at Amsoil is money. Aside from bigger crowds, a Duluth television station broadcasts both the A and AA final. When have you ever known the MSHSL to turn down money?

Bingo. Probably the biggest factor and why it will never be moved. If it was played anywhere else they couldn't sell the TV rights because they couldn't get an audience for it.

Another factor is you can't beat the overall experience of going to a game at Amsoil Arena and being in Duluth with Lake Superior and Canal Park. A couple years ago stadiumjourney.com ranked Amsoil Arena the #1 sports experience for college or pros in all of North America. I have traveled to Wild games more than once through California and Arizona, been to Vikings games in Seattle and Cleveland, and going to games at Amsoil Arena ranks #1 w/o question. The Honda Center in Anaheim is a nice building, but outside the arena there is nothing nearby. Just one small pub across the street but that is it. With Amsoil Arena, you get Duluth's version of St. Paul's W 7th Street and the option of using the skyway system if it's below 0 and having a lot of options for dining and entertainment. In Minnesota we are very spoiled with awesome venues and in great settings. If you don't realize that, just travel and you'll come back and truly appreciate what you have in your backyard.

[Slammer]

One other factor in keeping it at Amsoil is money. Aside from bigger crowds, a Duluth television station broadcasts both the A and AA final. When have you ever known the MSHSL to turn down money?

Bingo. Probably the biggest factor and why it will never be moved. If it was played anywhere else they couldn't sell the TV rights because they couldn't get an audience for it.

Another factor is you can't beat the overall experience of going to a game at Amsoil Arena and being in Duluth with Lake Superior and Canal Park. A couple years ago stadiumjourney.com ranked Amsoil Arena the #1 sports experience for college or pros in all of North America. I have traveled to Wild games more than once through California and Arizona, been to Vikings games in Seattle and Cleveland, and going to games at Amsoil Arena ranks #1 w/o question. The Honda Center in Anaheim is a nice building, but outside the arena there is nothing nearby. Just one small pub across the street but that is it. With Amsoil Arena, you get Duluth's version of St. Paul's W 7th Street and the option of using the skyway system if it's below 0 and having a lot of options for dining and entertainment. In Minnesota we are very spoiled with awesome venues and in great settings. If you don't realize that, just travel and you'll come back and truly appreciate what you have in your backyard.

As a Duluth resident, I don't understand this st all. Amsoil is a pretty ugly arena, especially with the randomly colored seats. And definitely not even close to being the best stadium in college sports or pros (what the heck)

[Traxler]

After Rapids lost to Cloquet the 7AA thread included many predictions that the result would be a 4 seed for Rapids. Now that it has happened there is shock and outrage? I'm confused, what changed in just a couple days?

[BodyShots]

#1 seed ER is the team to beat.

Strange that the second and third best teams in the section don't have to play each other in the Semi's.

And then you got the typical blah, blah, blah, Esse, blah, blah, blah Cloquet BS.

[grindiangrad-80]

After Rapids lost to Cloquet the 7AA thread included many predictions that the result would be a 4 seed for Rapids. Now that it has happened there is shock and outrage? I'm confused, what changed in just a couple days?

I agree. I believe GR earned the 4 seed. I also believe Amsoil is the best place for the semi and final. (And my team has lost some tough ones there)

[norcon]

The last number of years for semi-final Sat, the environment at Amsoil has been very stale and boring. Attendance has not been that good either. Being from Rapids, I would have no issue with having to drive over to St. Cloud, Bemidji or even Mariucci for sections. Rapids fans will follow their team wherever they play, which isn't the case for most of the teams in the section. It's time for a change...no more home ice advantage for East!

[TheHockeyDJ]

St. Cloud sucks and 6AA/2AA finals is enough wasted games at Mariucci on that stupid olympic sheet. Bemidji would be a good option if not being in Duluth. Have the 7AA and 8AA semifinals at the Sanford Center Noon, 2:00, 6:00, 8:00.

[Jeffy95]

The last number of years for semi-final Sat, the environment at Amsoil has been very stale and boring. Attendance has not been that good either. Being from Rapids, I would have no issue with having to drive over to St. Cloud, Bemidji or even Mariucci for sections. Rapids fans will follow their team wherever they play, which isn't the case for most of the teams in the section. It's time for a change...no more home ice advantage for East!

See above, i.e. Telelevision rights = Money for MSHSL. It will never happen.

[Jeffy95]

Bingo. Probably the biggest factor and why it will never be moved. If it was played anywhere else they couldn't sell the TV rights because they couldn't get an audience for it.

Another factor is you can't beat the overall experience of going to a game at Amsoil Arena and being in Duluth with Lake Superior and Canal Park. A couple years ago stadiumjourney.com ranked Amsoil Arena the #1 sports experience for college or pros in all of North America. I have traveled to Wild games more than once through California and Arizona, been to Vikings games in Seattle and Cleveland, and going to games at Amsoil Arena ranks #1 w/o question. The Honda Center in Anaheim is a nice building, but outside the arena there is nothing nearby. Just one small pub across the street but that is it. With Amsoil Arena, you get Duluth's version of St. Paul's W 7th Street and the option of using the skyway system if it's below 0 and having a lot of options for dining and entertainment. In Minnesota we are very spoiled with awesome venues and in great settings. If you don't realize that, just travel and you'll come back and truly appreciate what you have in your backyard.

As a Duluth resident, I don't understand this st all. Amsoil is a pretty ugly arena, especially with the randomly colored seats. And definitely not even close to being the best stadium in college sports or pros (what the heck)

I think he was referencing the Canal Park experience more than anything. Outsiders are in love with that place. It's kind of funny because those of us that live here only go down there when we have to.

[silentbutdeadly3139]

Easy solution : Should East be in finals against southern sec team, on the day of the game they have to ride a bus half way to their opponents school then return to Duluth.

[mulefarm]

Too bad Tony isn't still at ER. I bet there would have been some fireworks over the final seeding?

[Jeffy95]

Easy solution : Should East be in finals against southern sec team, on the day of the game they have to ride a bus half way to their opponents school then return to Duluth.

I laughed when I read this and then I realized how much sense it made. It wouldn't fly though. East would argue that they can't take kids out of school if they don't have to. Academics first.

On a side note, I don't buy the argument that 16-18 year old kids are affected by a 2 hour bus ride on a Charter bus. Somebody please tell me what the difference is between that and sitting at a desk in school, other than the seats being more comfortable on the bus, putting on headphones, getting fired up and thinking about the game. As opposed to sitting on a hard chair and listening to a lecture on the rise and fall of Western Civilization. This bus thing has been way overplayed.

[MNHockeyFan]

This bus thing has been way overplayed.

I don't know, Jeffy95, they don't call them "bus legs" for nothing. Can't say I've ever heard of "school legs".