2017 Edina Holiday Classic

Immigrant Fan · Post by **Immigrant Fan** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:34 pm

The rumor I heard is Holum has an injury and is likely out a couple weeks. We will see what develops.

O-townClown · Post by **O-townClown** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:46 pm

ryguyMN wrote:I thought the 3rd period of Edina and EP was a disgrace of HS hockey due to the combination of dirty hits by EP, lengthy arguments between coaches and officials, in running time mind you, officials not administering penalties swiftly, and end of penalty time administration errors with the confusion of running time and all the other chaos going on the ice. This all added fuel to the fire of allowing the game to get out of control. Coaches had a verbal argument at center ice in the handshake line, which I believe was in regards to some of the hits during the period.

The clock continued to run through multiple stoppages for pow wows involving officials. It was very confusing for the clock operator. What impressed me is that NEITHER coach wanted the clock stopped or time put back on to offset the runoff. It was beginning to be a bad game and rapidly becoming worse. To me it seems like the referees and coaches all recognized that and just wanted to get out of there.

ryguyMN · Post by **ryguyMN** » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:56 pm

O-townClown wrote:
ryguyMN wrote:I thought the 3rd period of Edina and EP was a disgrace of HS hockey due to the combination of dirty hits by EP, lengthy arguments between coaches and officials, in running time mind you, officials not administering penalties swiftly, and end of penalty time administration errors with the confusion of running time and all the other chaos going on the ice. This all added fuel to the fire of allowing the game to get out of control. Coaches had a verbal argument at center ice in the handshake line, which I believe was in regards to some of the hits during the period.
The clock continued to run through multiple stoppages for pow wows involving officials. It was very confusing for the clock operator. What impressed me is that NEITHER coach wanted the clock stopped or time put back on to offset the runoff. It was beginning to be a bad game and rapidly becoming worse. To me it seems like the referees and coaches all recognized that and just wanted to get out of there.

I agree it was getting ugly. Fair points made. Better off just calling the game off, but officials probably have no authority to do so unless there is some extraordinary circumstance. All the time wasting just made a mockery of the game.

hockey59 · Post by **hockey59** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:26 am

ryguyMN wrote:
O-townClown wrote:
ryguyMN wrote:I thought the 3rd period of Edina and EP was a disgrace of HS hockey due to the combination of dirty hits by EP, lengthy arguments between coaches and officials, in running time mind you, officials not administering penalties swiftly, and end of penalty time administration errors with the confusion of running time and all the other chaos going on the ice. This all added fuel to the fire of allowing the game to get out of control. Coaches had a verbal argument at center ice in the handshake line, which I believe was in regards to some of the hits during the period.
The clock continued to run through multiple stoppages for pow wows involving officials. It was very confusing for the clock operator. What impressed me is that NEITHER coach wanted the clock stopped or time put back on to offset the runoff. It was beginning to be a bad game and rapidly becoming worse. To me it seems like the referees and coaches all recognized that and just wanted to get out of there.
I agree it was getting ugly. Fair points made. Better off just calling the game off, but officials probably have no authority to do so unless there is some extraordinary circumstance. All the time wasting just made a mockery of the game.

Aside from the refs not assessing Jensen a penalty for the hit he put on Kozn...which was a vicious blindside hit (although Kozn put himself in a bad spot by toe dragging a guy & cutting to the middle up 7-1 after Kozn took a 5 on a similar hit to an EP player in the 1st period) & never saw Jensen coming for him...I thought they handled things as best as they could, because the game was totally OVER with 15 minutes remaining. Giles was clearly pissed about the hit, and hopefully Kozn will be OK (he was wobbly leaving the ice & left the game (headed to the locker room) All that said, at least on this given night, the final score pretty much represented the difference between the two teams...Edina dominated EP...

ryguyMN · Post by **ryguyMN** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:44 am

I probably made the mistake of not leaving early since tempers were only escalating during the period, and both teams stopped playing hockey, which was making me irate.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:46 am

ryguyMN wrote:I thought the 3rd period of Edina and EP was a disgrace of HS hockey due to the combination of dirty hits by EP, lengthy arguments between coaches and officials, in running time mind you, officials not administering penalties swiftly, and end of penalty time administration errors with the confusion of running time and all the other chaos going on the ice. This all added fuel to the fire of allowing the game to get out of control. Coaches had a verbal argument at center ice in the handshake line, which I believe was in regards to some of the hits during the period. Perhaps it’s just the emotion of a rivalry game, or as my wife called it, “rich people problems”, while describing tonight’s game to her afterwards. MSHSL may want to consider hiring NHL officials for the second meeting. Bulletin board material for both sides already in place.

Thanks ryguy, your wife's quip made me laugh this morning.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:58 am

Koum issued a pretty good blind side hit earlier in the game and JJ was not about to forget that , especially since a different dynamic was needed by EP to set stage for the next meeting

northwoods oldtimer · Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:32 am

O-townClown wrote:
ryguyMN wrote:I thought the 3rd period of Edina and EP was a disgrace of HS hockey due to the combination of dirty hits by EP, lengthy arguments between coaches and officials, in running time mind you, officials not administering penalties swiftly, and end of penalty time administration errors with the confusion of running time and all the other chaos going on the ice. This all added fuel to the fire of allowing the game to get out of control. Coaches had a verbal argument at center ice in the handshake line, which I believe was in regards to some of the hits during the period.
The clock continued to run through multiple stoppages for pow wows involving officials. It was very confusing for the clock operator. What impressed me is that NEITHER coach wanted the clock stopped or time put back on to offset the runoff. It was beginning to be a bad game and rapidly becoming worse. To me it seems like the referees and coaches all recognized that and just wanted to get out of there.

I will take Giles with the “one hitter quitter over Lee Smith

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:48 pm

Has anyone had any hindsight thoughts about how Elk was able to score so many goals against the Hornets ?

WarmUpTheBus · Post by **WarmUpTheBus** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:55 pm

WestMetro wrote:Has anyone had any hindsight thoughts about how Elk scored so many goals against the Hornets ?

4 goals were on deflections.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:51 pm

WarmUpTheBus wrote:
WestMetro wrote:Has anyone had any hindsight thoughts about how Elk scored so many goals against the Hornets ?
4 goals were on deflections.

those still count

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:12 pm

I guess what I’m stilll wondering is how Edina give up 7 goals when next closest was 3 , and many were 0 or 1.

Taking nothing away from Elks

But Did anyone notice Edina Dmen regularly do a worse job of protecting Mackay by being late to arrive , or not blocking shots , or not keeping bodies out of the low slot ?

Or maybe Elks were just that much better on odd man rushes , and holding position low in their own zone to attract deflections?

Or just puck luck, or just an off night by Mackay?

Or big credit to Elks offense against arguably best D Corp in state?

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:21 pm

WestMetro wrote:I guess what I’m stilll wondering is how Edina give up 7 goals when next closest was 3 , and many were 0 or 1.

Taking nothing away from Elks

But Did anyone notice Edina Dmen regularly do a worse job of protecting Mackay by being late to arrive , or not blocking shots , or not keeping bodies out of the low slot ?

Or maybe Elks were just that much better on odd man rushes , and holding position low in their own zone to attract deflections?

Or just puck luck, or just an off night by Mackay?

Or big credit to Elks offense against arguably best D Corp in state?

There did seem to be an inordinate amount of odd man rushes after Cake went on the offensive. Maybe they were in point grab mode and forgot to get back, but the Elks chances and goals were earned.

Rich Clarke · Post by **Rich Clarke** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:56 pm

I thought the Elks were floating a guy and Giles pretty much decided that if they wanted to be outmanned when Edina had the puck he'd live with that because he thought Edina would benefit as much or more. The 10-7 result suggests to me that both decided to let the offenses decide. The Elks did get a lot of deflections and goals that the percentages say will not go in at such a high rate over the course of the season, but they certainly did that night. Also, the Elks' top forwards are pretty impressive when given the chance and Edina gave them chances. I suspect Giles would say that if the Elks are willing to allow ten goals he'll take it, but that he thinks that on most nights the Elks would have had around four and got more than he expected. I think if the Elks played more like EP they would have had only 2-3 goals but given up 2-3 fewer. Either way, I think the number of goals given up by both teams was partly due to their skill but even more due to the way the teams chose to play the game. Since coaches seem to chose defense when it matters, I'd suspect a different style of play if they meet again. MacKay was pretty good but got little rebound support and the shots from the point had eyes. I was glad to see him respond with a very solid game against EP.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:22 pm

Rich Clarke

Having said all that and watching Elk 3 times, where would you be ranking the Elks yourself , assuming goaltending will be decent from here on out ?

Rich Clarke · Post by **Rich Clarke** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:08 pm

I like the Elks but think their game with EP is a good indication of where they are at. They have some nice skill in front but aren't playing enough defense. I don't blame the goalie. The forwards are walking in on him and like Edina's goalie, he can't do it without help. I think they looked a goal or two better than EP but nearly lost because they gave up too many good chances. So my answer is lower top ten. I'd have them 8 ahead of Cretin, Holy Family, EP, and Wayzata. Depending on how things shake out for White Bear, maybe higher than them too and I may still have Moorhead too high. But right now I'd have them definitely lower than Edina, Minnetonka, St. Thomas, Duluth East, and Centennial but they may well be next after that. And they still play East and Centennial again, so that can change as well. I really was impressed and wish them well. If I were an Elks fan, however, I'd be worried that a bad night or hot goalie can really make you pay if you give up an easy goal or two. I hope they nail that down without it costing them too much on offense.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:22 pm

Thanks for excellent perspective RC!

I agree Elks should be around 8th

And as I told my friend ACS in a pm , I like JFs shot but would really like to see him use his god given size more often and vigorously on the D zone blue line and in the low slot, I know he can do it because I’ve seen it before

RC- only one remaining question : what will be the Hornets record at end of season

grindiangrad-80 · Post by **grindiangrad-80** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:26 am

I'm not the best at analyzing most games but I must admit that I do like watching Elk River the last couple of years. They seem capable of playing well against anyone no matter what style the opposition plays.

WarmUpTheBus · Post by **WarmUpTheBus** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:08 am

northwoods oldtimer wrote:
O-townClown wrote:
ryguyMN wrote:I thought the 3rd period of Edina and EP was a disgrace of HS hockey due to the combination of dirty hits by EP, lengthy arguments between coaches and officials, in running time mind you, officials not administering penalties swiftly, and end of penalty time administration errors with the confusion of running time and all the other chaos going on the ice. This all added fuel to the fire of allowing the game to get out of control. Coaches had a verbal argument at center ice in the handshake line, which I believe was in regards to some of the hits during the period.
The clock continued to run through multiple stoppages for pow wows involving officials. It was very confusing for the clock operator. What impressed me is that NEITHER coach wanted the clock stopped or time put back on to offset the runoff. It was beginning to be a bad game and rapidly becoming worse. To me it seems like the referees and coaches all recognized that and just wanted to get out of there.
I will take Giles with the “one hitter quitter over Lee Smith

I'll take Sky Low Low over Little Beaver via his signature dropkick.