7AA for 2017-2018

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:44 am

No chance for CEC to fall that far in the QRF. However, I don’t understand the QRF tiebreak margin, so who knows.

WestMetro · Post by **WestMetro** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:27 am

Hope coaches decide not to use QRF

Last time i checked, i think they had both EV and Rsmt still in top 10

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:28 am

I am pretty sure it is a done deal for this season. I am curious whether they have agreed to use QRF beyond this year.

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:40 am

Traxler wrote:I am pretty sure it is a done deal for this season. I am curious whether they have agreed to use QRF beyond this year.

It’s a 2 year agreement to use it. Hopefully they vote again on it end of next year, but seems like the southern coaches like it which would give 5-4 votes to use it.

longrebound · Post by **longrebound** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:13 am

Usthockey13 wrote:
Traxler wrote:I am pretty sure it is a done deal for this season. I am curious whether they have agreed to use QRF beyond this year.
It’s a 2 year agreement to use it. Hopefully they vote again on it end of next year, but seems like the southern coaches like it which would give 5-4 votes to use it.

I'm don't think QRF is such a bad thing. There may be one computer bias in play with QRF but there were nine coach's biases in play with the old system.

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:21 am

Traxler wrote:No chance for CEC to fall that far in the QRF. However, I don’t understand the QRF tiebreak margin, so who knows.

East, Andover, Elk River, and Marshall ranked higher than Cloquet. And Forest Lake beat CEC.

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:51 am

kniven wrote:
Traxler wrote:No chance for CEC to fall that far in the QRF. However, I don’t understand the QRF tiebreak margin, so who knows.
East, Andover, Elk River, and Marshall ranked higher than Cloquet. And Forest Lake beat CEC.

You must be looking at an old version of QRF. This is what I see today.

Duluth East (127.6)
Andover (109.5)
C-E-C (96.4)
Elk River/Zimmerman (95.6)
Duluth Marshall (90.4)
Forest Lake (85.2)
St. Francis (64.1)
Grand Rapids (54.7)
Cambridge-Isanti (28.0)

hockey59 · Post by **hockey59** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:13 pm

Traxler wrote:
kniven wrote:
Traxler wrote:No chance for CEC to fall that far in the QRF. However, I don’t understand the QRF tiebreak margin, so who knows.
East, Andover, Elk River, and Marshall ranked higher than Cloquet. And Forest Lake beat CEC.
You must be looking at an old version of QRF. This is what I see today.

Duluth East (127.6)
Andover (109.5)
C-E-C (96.4)
Elk River/Zimmerman (95.6)
Duluth Marshall (90.4)
Forest Lake (85.2)
St. Francis (64.1)
Grand Rapids (54.7)
Cambridge-Isanti (28.0)

Between Cloquet, DM & ER...2 of the 3 will be playing in the Qtr final Game of the season!

greenwayraider · Post by **greenwayraider** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:43 pm

From AA state champions to a play-in game for Rapids? Any chance they will move ahead of St. Francis?

greenwayraider · Post by **greenwayraider** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:43 pm

From AA state champions to a play-in game for Rapids? Any chance they will move ahead of St. Francis?

greenwayraider · Post by **greenwayraider** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:44 pm

From AA state champions to a play-in game for Rapids? Any chance they will move ahead of St. Francis?

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Sun Feb 04, 2018 12:53 pm

Traxler wrote:
kniven wrote:
Traxler wrote:No chance for CEC to fall that far in the QRF. However, I don’t understand the QRF tiebreak margin, so who knows.
East, Andover, Elk River, and Marshall ranked higher than Cloquet. And Forest Lake beat CEC.
You must be looking at an old version of QRF. This is what I see today.

Duluth East (127.6)
Andover (109.5)
C-E-C (96.4)
Elk River/Zimmerman (95.6)
Duluth Marshall (90.4)
Forest Lake (85.2)
St. Francis (64.1)
Grand Rapids (54.7)
Cambridge-Isanti (28.0)

I was referring to KarlEast rankings.

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:07 am

No. 4 Duluth East (134.1)
No. 12 Andover (107.6)
No. 16 C-E-C (99.3)
No. 17 Duluth Marshall (98.9)
No. 19 Elk River/Zimmerman (95.6)
No. 25 Forest Lake (87.

No. 48 St. Francis (63.7)
No. 54 Grand Rapids (55.2)
No. 69 Cambridge-Isanti (27.

Looks like 1/2 & 6-9 are all but set.

Duluthguy · Post by **Duluthguy** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:27 am

Usthockey13 wrote:No. 4 Duluth East (134.1)
No. 12 Andover (107.6)
No. 16 C-E-C (99.3)
No. 17 Duluth Marshall (98.9)
No. 19 Elk River/Zimmerman (95.6)
No. 25 Forest Lake (87.
No. 48 St. Francis (63.7)
No. 54 Grand Rapids (55.2)
No. 69 Cambridge-Isanti (27.

Looks like 1/2 & 6-9 are all but set.

As UST points out, there's still potential for a ton of movement in 3 through 5. But if this is how it ends, quarterfinals would be:

#1 East vs.
#8 Rapids (assuming they win the play-in game with Cambridge)

#2 Andover vs
#7 St. Francis

#3 Cloquet vs.
#6 Forest Lake

#4 Marshall vs.
#5 Elk River

In that event, I'd like Andover's first round spot best: the 4/5 match-up is obviously going to be a toss-up no matter who's in it; Forest Lake has already beaten Cloquet this year--and Forest Lake would be a tough out for no matter who gets the #3-seed; and the Hounds will have to beat Holum, who can steal a game from anyone.

Question: How often has a quarter-final game been a re-match of the previous year's section final? I'm guessing not very often, in any section.

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:45 am

Duluthguy wrote:
Usthockey13 wrote:No. 4 Duluth East (134.1)
No. 12 Andover (107.6)
No. 16 C-E-C (99.3)
No. 17 Duluth Marshall (98.9)
No. 19 Elk River/Zimmerman (95.6)
No. 25 Forest Lake (87.
No. 48 St. Francis (63.7)
No. 54 Grand Rapids (55.2)
No. 69 Cambridge-Isanti (27.

Looks like 1/2 & 6-9 are all but set.
As UST points out, there's still potential for a ton of movement in 3 through 5. But if this is how it ends, quarterfinals would be:

#1 East vs.
#8 Rapids (assuming they win the play-in game with Cambridge)

#2 Andover vs
#7 St. Francis

#3 Cloquet vs.
#6 Forest Lake

#4 Marshall vs.
#5 Elk River

In that event, I'd like Andover's first round spot best: the 4/5 match-up is obviously going to be a toss-up no matter who's in it; Forest Lake has already beaten Cloquet this year--and Forest Lake would be a tough out for no matter who gets the #3-seed; and the Hounds will have to beat Holum, who can steal a game from anyone.

Question: How often has a quarter-final game been a re-match of the previous year's section final? I'm guessing not very often, in any section.

Cloquet's remaining schedule: at DE, Proctor, at Grand Rapids
Marshall's remaining schedule: Hill-Murray, at Greenway
Elk River's remaining schedule: Osseo, at Irondale, at hill-Murray, at armstong/cooper
Andover's remaining schedule: at armstrong/cooper, at totino/grace, at coon rapids, Irondale

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:03 pm

#1 East vs.
#8 Rapids (assuming they win the play-in game with Cambridge)

#4 Marshall vs.
#5 Elk River

#2 Andover vs
#7 St. Francis

#3 Cloquet vs.
#6 Forest Lake

If this is the way it ends up I would take
East and ER in the upper bracket
and
Andover and Forest Lake in he lower.

And then East and Andover
and of course
then East.

But all of the quarter final games would be decent.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:23 pm

If Elk River wins out they could get to the 3 seed? The Proctor game wont help CEC much. Elks need the teams they have played or have on their schedule to win some games. If within the TBD tiebreaker margin head to head is used but Elks don't play CEC or Marshall.

alcloseshaver · Post by **alcloseshaver** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:26 pm

Usthockey13 wrote:
Traxler wrote:I am pretty sure it is a done deal for this season. I am curious whether they have agreed to use QRF beyond this year.
It’s a 2 year agreement to use it. Hopefully they vote again on it end of next year, but seems like the southern coaches like it which would give 5-4 votes to use it.

Rapids pushed hard for it.

Post by **east hockey** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:35 pm

alcloseshaver wrote:
Usthockey13 wrote:
Traxler wrote:I am pretty sure it is a done deal for this season. I am curious whether they have agreed to use QRF beyond this year.
It’s a 2 year agreement to use it. Hopefully they vote again on it end of next year, but seems like the southern coaches like it which would give 5-4 votes to use it.
Rapids pushed hard for it.

And there is a certain irony in this.

Lee

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:41 pm

Duluthguy wrote:
Usthockey13 wrote:No. 4 Duluth East (134.1)
No. 12 Andover (107.6)
No. 16 C-E-C (99.3)
No. 17 Duluth Marshall (98.9)
No. 19 Elk River/Zimmerman (95.6)
No. 25 Forest Lake (87.
No. 48 St. Francis (63.7)
No. 54 Grand Rapids (55.2)
No. 69 Cambridge-Isanti (27.

Looks like 1/2 & 6-9 are all but set.
As UST points out, there's still potential for a ton of movement in 3 through 5. But if this is how it ends, quarterfinals would be:

#1 East vs.
#8 Rapids (assuming they win the play-in game with Cambridge)

#2 Andover vs
#7 St. Francis

#3 Cloquet vs.
#6 Forest Lake

#4 Marshall vs.
#5 Elk River

In that event, I'd like Andover's first round spot best: the 4/5 match-up is obviously going to be a toss-up no matter who's in it; Forest Lake has already beaten Cloquet this year--and Forest Lake would be a tough out for no matter who gets the #3-seed; and the Hounds will have to beat Holum, who can steal a game from anyone.

Question: How often has a quarter-final game been a re-match of the previous year's section final? I'm guessing not very often, in any section.

Cloquet's remaining schedule: at DE, Proctor, at Grand Rapids
Marshall's remaining schedule: Hill-Murray, at Greenway
Elk River's remaining schedule: Osseo, at Irondale, at hill-Murray, at armstong/cooper
Andover's remaining schedule: at armstrong/cooper, at totino/grace, at coon rapids, Irondale

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:53 pm

alcloseshaver wrote:If Elk River wins out they could get to the 3 seed? The Proctor game wont help CEC much. Elks need the teams they have played or have on their schedule to win some games. If within the TBD tiebreaker margin head to head is used but Elks don't play CEC or Marshall.

Second tiebreaker is overall win percentage, so it’s too early to tell who would get that between CEC and ER. Not sure I understand how tiebreakers work if there are 3 teams within the tiebreaker margin, which it seems 3, 4, and 5 will be.

Usthockey13 · Post by **Usthockey13** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:15 pm

Traxler wrote:
alcloseshaver wrote:If Elk River wins out they could get to the 3 seed? The Proctor game wont help CEC much. Elks need the teams they have played or have on their schedule to win some games. If within the TBD tiebreaker margin head to head is used but Elks don't play CEC or Marshall.
Second tiebreaker is overall win percentage, so it’s too early to tell who would get that between CEC and ER. Not sure I understand how tiebreakers work if there are 3 teams within the tiebreaker margin, which it seems 3, 4, and 5 will be.

Its head to head 1st between the teams within the margin and then overall record percentage. Right now the Margin is 5.2 but they are projecting it will finish 6.3

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:38 pm

Forest Lake remaining schedule: stillwatter, at moundsview, Irondale, at Roseville.

Wow! CEC could easily be the 6th seed in all of this.

Traxler · Post by **Traxler** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:41 pm

No chance for CEC to be anything below 5.

kniven · Post by **kniven** » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:45 pm

Traxler wrote:No chance for CEC to be anything below 5.

disagree. cec lost to forest lake. cec beat proctor 1-0 last year with a hot goalie. grand rapids has an all world goalie. and tonite vs. East at East. oh no. cloquet could easily be a 6 seed