Pre-Season Ms. Hockey List

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:43 pm

FWIW, I noticed the name of one of the young ladies mentioned as a potential Ms. Hockey pick on a recently published honor roll...might even be the same one much of the discussion has focused on...just sayin'.

ARM · Post by **ARM** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:34 am

We sit here and take shots at high school students so freely and question their qualifications to serve as role models. As adults, each one of us should act as a role model as well. Do you consider making anonymous statements detrimental to a teenager "model" behavior? If you have a grievance regarding a student, there are proper channels to follow in an attempt to obtain justice. Start holding yourself to the same high standards that you expect of others. Topics which are meant to give a little positive recognition all too often degrade into mud-slinging. Tearing down other people's children isn't going to build up yours.

FSDOG · Post by **FSDOG** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:30 pm

Great point Arm ! I have talked to the girl being talked about in this postings mother , They both acknowledge that a mistake was made , But make no mistake about the fact that a valuable lesson was learned , and it will not happen again . I can tell you that as a hockey player , I would take her on any team I am involved with . any time ! My daughter and her are fierce rivals on the ice , and I am sure would love to kick each others fanny during the games , but after the game they take the time to treat each other with great respect . Plus when they play together in the summer , they are also great teammates . She is all about the team and winning ! There is no doubt that she is a Ms. Hockey candidate . She is a young girl that made a poor decision .. She will not make that mistake again . If any of us on this site can claim perfection , then maybe you have the right to call someone out on this board .. But I know of no Adults that are perfect so why would we slander a child . The Pope selection has more status than Ms. Hockey , and all of them have made mistakes in their lives . PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ACCUSATIONS ON THE BOARD >>> HAVE SOME GUTS AND TALK TO THE PLAYER OR PARENTS < FACE TO FACE IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY !!! THANK YOU

hockeefan · Post by **hockeefan** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:10 pm

What about goalie of the year...who are some early candidates for that??

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:11 pm

Kudos to ARM & FSDOG...for saying what needed to be said and saying it well. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

hock21 · Post by **hock21** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:13 pm

some goalie to be considered are Alanna McCready Cenn, Briana Scavo NSP and Ashley Johnson Maple Grove also a couple of players for miss hockey who were missed are Rossu from Buffalo a very good Defensemen and Jaimie Horton a solid forward from Maple Grove. Both have had very solid HS careers and don't get the credit the deserve. Both are being recruited by D1 schools.

goldhockey · Post by **goldhockey** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:38 pm

People should also consider Cassie LeBlanc - Anoka and Jill Kobow Coon Rapids, two players who never get the credit they deserve, both are also being recruited by D1s.

hockeyis1 · Post by **hockeyis1** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:44 am

My vote would go to Christina Lee of Wayzata last year and Orono before that..Incrdible slap shot, fast and never takes a shift off.

Kennybackcheck · Post by **Kennybackcheck** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:11 pm

My vote would go to Allie Thunstrom. Although choosing Boston College instead of the U of M could hurt her chances.

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 2:49 pm

Ah, is this the reemergence of the old, hackneyed premise of a "rigged" Ms. Hockey competition ? A "theory" I've never bought personally. I too would consider Allie Thunstrom a front runner for the next Ms. Hockey honor. I see only two potential obstacles. The first, which I don't consider at all likely, a season notably less remarkable than her previous seasons...and they have been remarkable...or an unbelievable season of accomplishment from another of the favorites (a possibility I see as more plausable than a drop in #21's performance). If the reference was to a theory some seem to hold regarding perceived continued / yearly favoritism towards nominees who have committed to the University of Minnesota, well, I think that's a load...not to mention an insult to past winners, all of whom were extremely and without question deserving, legitimate winners based on their high school hockey achievements...and nothing else. That's just my opinion, posted at risk of making others sick. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:06 pm

Good conspiracy theory, likely coincidence I now believe. All the gophs that won it are deserving, as too are likely a number of others each year. My only hope is that more of these players, and all in general, come back to the coaching ranks. That's what we need as much as anything. I'm going to write this one more time for all to read - and then I'll let it die... I'd REALLY like to see us award a MS. G, MS. D, and MS. F. You could do a preliminary 10 & final 5 at each position and then and then pick a MS. Hockey out of these three "finalists." D are getting overlooked, and some could argue that there might have been a G or two in the last 11 years that are potentially deserving of at least being considered for that "Ms. Hockey" title... Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeyfan</A> at: 7/31/05 6:10 pm

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:30 pm

Coincidence, yes I believe so...with a possible asterisk. That merely being that Minnesota has very purposely or vigorously pursued each of the winners, again, due to their abilities exhibited during their HS careers, with good success. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'd REALLY like to see us award a MS. G, MS. D, and MS. F. You could do a preliminary 10 & final 5 at each position and then pick a MS. Hockey out of these three "finalists." D are getting overlooked, and some could argue that there might have been a G or two in the last 11 years that are potentially deserving of at least being considered for that "Ms. Hockey" title...<hr></blockquote> I agree with this entirely...and like the idea alot. If it never happens I'm still hopeful that eventually the many great defenders & goaltenders get the recognition they deserve...and in the future garner more nominations for Ms. Hockey. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ookyone</A> at: 7/31/05 10:00 pm

Kennybackcheck · Post by **Kennybackcheck** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:10 pm

Say what you want but the facts speak for themselves. Anybody seriously interested in Ms Hockey should consider gopher land before making their college choice. Other potential candidates I like include Lee, Jones, Pezon, Maunu, McDonald, Frakie and Hogan. Good luck to all in the upcoming season.

hockeygymnast · Post by **hockeygymnast** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:53 pm

I would vote for Berit Johnson. She plays 50-75 % of every game. She sees the ice as well as anyone. She plays PP and PK. She can control games. She could excel at either forward or defense. Note: I don't think she will come close to winning because she doesn't score a ton of points.

mnhockeygal · Post by **mnhockeygal** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:48 pm

Well said -- the facts do speak for themselves. It was once again proven last season when none of the 3 best players in the state won the award. Someone who never skated in a state tourney gets it over 3 players who won 3 state titles, played in 5 straight states and made records that wont be broken. Its a shame as Thunstrom will have a chance to put up some huge numbers and would be a deserving candidate but likely wont get it with this assinine U of M factor.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:11 pm

While the non-Gopher-to-be jinx continues for Ms. Hockey, I still believe Thunstrom is a top finalist - if not the one. Time will tell. I think it will come down to this season's performance.

The machine took my quart · Thu Aug 11, 2005 2:37 am

Thunstrom at this moment. If she has an amazing year and perhaps Lee did not and Lee still won then the FIX MAY BE ON. The conspiracy is a fun one and somewhat valid until the streak is ended. By the way congrats to Laura's extended contract. She has taken some heat. Yes, even college coaches do. Even if they are the best in the country for a couple years running. Need to see Frakie and Berit a bit more. They have been good when I have watched but I just don't see the domination like Christina and Allie. Hogan, Horton, Leblanc, Kobow, Peazon, Jones, Johnson, McDonald, Maunu, Zebro are all good and most DI but not in the top 2. Brooky is on to something with having a vote by position. Forwards get al the street cred.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:06 am

I wonder why this couldn't be done??? I'd REALLY like to see us award a MS. G, MS. D, and MS. F. You could do a preliminary 10 & final 5 at each position and then and then pick a MS. Hockey out of these three "finalists." D are getting overlooked, and some could argue that there might have been a G or two in the last 11 years that are potentially deserving of at least being considered for that "Ms. Hockey" title...

r2d2hockey · Post by **r2d2hockey** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:17 pm

Question: In order to be a finalist for Ms Hockey do you have to play high school hockey or can you be eligible if you play for Shattuck or the Thoroughbreds?

FSDOG · Post by **FSDOG** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:30 pm

YOU HAVE TO PLAY MINNESOTA HIGH SCHOOL ..

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:42 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Well said -- the facts do speak for themselves. It was once again proven last season when none of the 3 best players in the state won the award. Someone who never skated in a state tourney gets it over 3 players who won 3 state titles, played in 5 straight states and made records that wont be broken. Its a shame as Thunstrom will have a chance to put up some huge numbers and would be a deserving candidate but likely wont get it with this assinine U of M factor.<hr></blockquote> Perhaps someone can explain to me how the fact that the University of Minnesota has successfully recruited several Ms. Hockey winners qualifies as factual proof the Ms. Hockey award is "rigged." Sorry, those circumstances you refer to as "facts" are far from facts or any kind of proof...I hope none of you are pursuing a law career if this is your concept of irrefutable proof of some type of conspiracy or underhanded activity. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> Also, what do state tourney appearences have to do with the award ? Is that in the criteria ? You must play in the state tourney to be considered? I've watched the three you refer to play many, many games...I've watched Gigi Marvin play approx. 8-10 games. Young, Nelson & Fisher are great players but Marvin is a better player than any of the three (my opinion) and was a 100% legitimate choice for Ms. Hockey completely regardless of where she chose to play her college hockey...and you're going to see the proof throughout their respective D-I careers (again, my opinion). Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ookyone</A> at: 8/12/05 11:20 pm

Bender3327 · Post by **Bender3327** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:59 pm

Brooky- Totally agree. Playing in the State Tournament is not part of the criteria, and Marvin was an excellent pick for the award. I do however, feel that if players are close in the voting it can be taken into account. As in: leadership skills (leading a group of players...if they are captain), being able to perform in the "big" game and handle all the pressure. But in no way should a player be denied the award just because their team didn't make it to the show. Notice the word TEAM......one player can't win it all anymore, they need quality players around them.

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:13 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Brooky is on to something with having a vote by position. Forwards get al the street cred.<hr></blockquote> I wish I could take credit for this idea...but it was the suggestion of ghshockeyfan originally, and I still like the idea alot. The offensive player has always gotten the lions share of attention...probably always will. This would be an excellent means of giving the outstanding defenders & goaltenders their deserved recognition and perhaps "leveling" the Ms. Hockey award playing field a little. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ookyone</A> at: 8/12/05 3:14 pm

ARM · Post by **ARM** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:12 pm

Clearly, "Let's Play Hockey" is biased in its selections. They only pick future Gophers for Ms. Hockey because ... well, I guess it really doesn't benefit them in the least to give it to a future Gopher. Still, the award must be biased, brooky. Consider all of this evidence, and you'll clearly conclude that "these facts speak for themselves" ... Brodt -- nobody knew she was going to be a Gopher (Minnesota didn't even have a team at the time.) In fact, she wouldn't even play for UNH for an extra year out of HS. But since she wound up eventually with the "M" on her jersey, this is clearly exhibit A. Holmes -- didn't attend Minnesota, which now had a team. This doesn't support my argument, so I will conveniently ignore her and won't mention her again in this debate. Slominski -- sure she went on to have a nice career at Minnesota and is one of the players still in the running for a spot on Team USA, but clearly she would have had no chance of winning Ms. Hockey without a conspiracy -- exhibit B. Ronda Curtin -- All American at Minnesota, plus a top 3 finisher for the Patty Kaz'. Led her team to a state title as a senior, but I only give weight to this item if it supports my case, so I'll ignore it this time. Don't care how much of an impact player she was in the early days of girls HS hockey in Minnesota, this had to be fixed -- exhibit C. Wendell -- not committed to Minnesota when she won, but her brother was a Gopher (maybe that counts?) Hey, she only played two years of girls hockey, so how could she have won on merit? Bias running rampant. Exhibit D. Renee Curtin -- at this point I think I'm seeing as much Roseville bias as Gopher bias. No matter, exhibit E. Albrecht -- let's see, she was the best senior on the best team, so I can't use my team success argument. There must have been a better player that year. How about that Darwitz kid? Or wait, she'd have been a Gopher too, and I guess she wasn't eligible. Let's just claim bias and let someone else counter the argument -- exhibit F. Nichols -- don't care how many points she scored or how well her team did, she couldn't have won without bias. Besides, she was short. Who should have won? How should I know! Listen, there's bias, trust me -- exhibit G. McKenzie -- (here's where no state tourney apperances becomes our ace in the hole) I don't care how many points she scored in HS or how weak the teams she played on were, it's time to state that someone from the state champs should have won. Maybe that kid who anchored their blueline and scored the championship clinching goal. Oops, another future Gopher. Maybe that's the problem, the Gophers have hogged too many of the best players over the years. Forget it -- exhibit H. Marvin -- there were at least 100 seniors in the state better than her last year. Proof? I don't need proof, I just have to state it, and then I can put the burden on others to prove that there weren't. Anyway, we're up to Exhibit I. So there you have it. We don't need surveillance tapes to prove a conspiracy here, we have nine pieces of ironclad evidence. Next case, brooky!

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Aug 12, 2005 4:38 pm

It's all one big conspiracy obviously... <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> It could be, that maybe - just possibly - the (debatable) BEST PLAYER gets picked for the award, even though some VERY DESERVING PLAYERS don't get it. That "BEST PLAYER" then - just so happens to be going to the U the following Fall. I call it coincidence - even though a pattern has obviously developed - and those of us that support the U would likely like to see that pattern continue (that the U gets the best players) - but I also think one player that has already committed to a school out east should be considered a favorite this year...

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