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PageStat 2025-26

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Based on last year's final PageStat ratings, here are the teams with the toughest schedules in 2025-26, with their opponents' average PageStat rating in parenthesis. [corrected to fix Hill-Murray's SOS)

Class AA

1. Edina (20.55)
2. Maple Grove (20.21)
3. Wayzata (20.16)
4. Minnetonka (19.96)
5. White Bear Lake (19.90)
6. Moorhead (19.90)
7. Stillwater (19.81)
8. Rogers (19.80)
9. Eden Prairie (19.77)
10. Andover (19.65)
11. Cretin-Derham Hall (19.55)
12. Grand Rapids (19.54)
13. St. Thomas Academy (19.50)
14. Shakopee (19.28)
15. Hill-Murray (19.27)
16. Rosemount (19.19)
17. Prior Lake (19.12)
18. St. Michael-Albertville (19.09)
19. Benilde-St. Margaret's (19.02)
20. Mounds View (19.00)

Class A

1. Hermantown (19.64)
2. Mahtomedi (18.54)
3. Hibbing (18.36)
4. Warroad (18.24)
5. East Grand Forks (18.11)
6. Cloquet (17.78)
7. St. Louis Park (17.21)
8. Sartell (17.06)
9. Orono (16.97)
10. Delano (16.90)
11. Blake (16.79)
12. St. Cloud Cathedral (16.70)
13. Northern Lakes (16.66)
14. Detroit Lakes (16.02)
15. Waconia (15.96)
16. Proctor (15.92)
17. Monticello (15.83)
18. Minneapolis (15.83)
19. Providence Academy (15.80)
20. Breck (15.80)

The first PageStat ratings for the new season will be posted December 21.

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Re: PageStat 2025-26

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Interesting Hill Murray’s schedule is that easy.
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Lino Lakes Hockey wrote: Sat Nov 22, 2025 6:36 pm Interesting Hill Murray’s schedule is that easy.
Yeah, I screwed theirs up. I had some Hill-Murray entries and some Hill Murray. Excel only saw one name. I'm fixing this and will repost the original Top 20. Thanks for the catch.

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Lino Lakes Hockey wrote: Sat Nov 22, 2025 6:36 pm Interesting Hill Murray’s schedule is that easy.
They did schedule Duluth East this year.

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Sparlimb wrote: Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:26 am
Lino Lakes Hockey wrote: Sat Nov 22, 2025 6:36 pm Interesting Hill Murray’s schedule is that easy.
They did schedule Duluth East this year.

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That would be called a "bye week" :mrgreen:

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First weekly ratings! Top 20

Overall

1. Minnetonka
2. Moorhead
3. Hermantown
4. Edina
5. St. Thomas Academy
6. Stillwater
7. Rogers
8. Shakopee
9. Hibbing
10. Rosemount
11. Hill-Murray
12. Holy Angels
13. Maple Grove
14. Wayzata
15. Duluth Marshall
16. Warroad
17. White Bear Lake
18. Blaine
19. Sartell
20. Centennial

Class A

1. Hermantown
2. Hibbing
3. Warroad
4. Sartell
5. Mahtomedi
6. Delano
7. Blake
8. International Falls
9. Monticello
10. Rochester Lourdes
11. Cloquet
12. Northfield
13. Northern Lakes
14. Detroit Lakes
15. Breck
16. St. Cloud Cathedral
17. Orono
18. Chisago Lakes
19. East Grand Forks
20. Mankato West

Seeing four Class A teams in the overall Top 20 surprised me a bit. I'd have to look back to see the last time this happened--the trend over the past several years was for the Top 20 to be more and more dominated by Class AA teams, for whatever reason you want to ascribe to this. It could be a byproduct of the haves/have nots becoming more pronounced in Class A (as they pretty much have been in Class AA). One of my off-season projects is going to take a deep dive into this along with the Class AA vs Class A disparities and how they've changed since I started doing PageStat in the 1997-98 season.

The fun time of the year is upon us! :mrgreen:

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I'm intrigued by International Falls and Rochester Lourdes appearing in the top 10 in A in PageStat while they are still a bit out of there in most human rankings. Curious to see if those ones hold up over time.
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karl(east) wrote: Mon Dec 22, 2025 9:20 pm I'm intrigued by International Falls and Rochester Lourdes appearing in the top 10 in A in PageStat while they are still a bit out of there in most human rankings. Curious to see if those ones hold up over time.
Lourdes made sense in the fact that they just lost to Duluth Marshall 2-1 OT (15 in AA PageStat) & tied Blake (7 in A PageStat). I feel like the Eagles are so dangerous in 1A and they have not given up more than 2 goals in a game since the opening loss to Luverne.

International Falls at 8, though, shocks me. I love the Broncos, but they have not played anyone above .500 yet, except maybe Fort Frances in Canada, who they tied, so SOS has to be low. Just was really curious how they are at 8... I get the Unbeaten part, but for example, Luverne is also unbeaten and actually beat some lower-tier opponents by wide margins like 18-2, but also has some quality teams like #10 Lourdes, but they are not even in the Top 20.

As always, love PageStat, and what it offers just was really an eye opener seeing The Falls that high.
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I get a couple of these "well, this doesn't make sense!" comments every season--heck, I even find at least a few myself, but upon checking out the numbers, the rating being questioned makes sense.

I also usually ignore these, but when the Dean of Class AA reviews and the Dean of Class A reviews posts in the same thread, I take a look. And what I found startled me. Call it a glitch, an outlier, a blip, a "Well, now I know PageStat sucks" :mrgreen: , whatever term you wish to use here. It's none of those. It's simply PageStat doing exactly what it's programed to do, but PageStat has never encountered numbers like these before.

Centennial. Holy Angels. La Crescent. Those three teams may not mean anything but play a part in this explanation.

My first look was at the Falls SOS ratings I posted last week at https://leepagen.com/strength.htm and I found something unprecedented:

I Falls SOS (gross); 7.19
I Falls SOS (net) 18.44

I've never found a disparity as great as this (11.25 pts difference)

The net is the number PageStat uses. Gross, of course, is the SOS of all their opponents. Net is what you have left after certain games are ignored. Why ignore a game? Because, in this case, when the PageStat rating of I Falls and their opponent exceed the Goal Cap number (currently set at 6), then regardless of the game's result, I Falls rating will decrease.

An example; Team A has a PageStat rating of 20 and plays Team B which has a rating of 10. PageStat would predict a 10 goal win by Team A. What if they win by that exact amount? The game score for Team A is:

(20+10)/2+(6/2)=18

This is the basic formula PageStat uses to calculate every game score. Each team's overall rating is simply the average of all their game scores, adjusted for what I call "momentum factor", which means that more recent games are weighted heavier than earlier games.

The "6" in the the formula I showed represents the margin of victory the goal cap; when the margin of victory is higher than 6, then the goal cap is implemented and 6 is used as the margin of victory.

The goal cap exists because a) teams like Centennial and Holy Angels used to run up huge wins mostly due to being in a very weak conference; way back before the Internet, they were overrated and their early exit from section tournament play proved that. It puts the brakes on teams running up the score in certain games (Moorhead vs. Monticello, anyone?)

Why is the goal cap 6? Mitch Hawker and I used to have discussions about this the goal cap he used, as I recall, was either 5 or 6; I settled on 6 after doing some heavy research on section tournament games since 1998 and learning that 6 is the "sweet spot", sweet spot defined as the goal cap which results in PageStat predicted the highest number of section tournament game winners. I've research a goal cap anywhere from 1 to 8, and also what happened when you remove the goal cap. This research, by the way, is redone every two or three seasons.

By the way, if I remove the goal cap from this season's results, I Falls rating drops from 8th in Class A to 26th.

You might say, and I would agree, that not having a goal cap would result in a more realistic rating for I Falls. But there is something else which happens here other than what I already said about predicting section tournament games. It's called the Law Of Unintended Consequence. One quick example has to do with Holy Angels moving from 12th overall to 4th as a result. Opinions may vary, but I don't see that as being realistic. But examples of this are everywhere.

Back to the Falls; I looked at their opponents and found that, with every Minnesota team they've played, they all had low PageStat ratings, low enough that PageStat ignored every one of those games! The only game their rating comes from is the Fort Frances game. It's not shown in my ratings, but Fort Frances' rating is, guess what? The same as I Falls! Or rather, I Falls rating is the same as Fort Frances at 18.44.

Keeping in mind that we're still early in the season and a lot more games have to be played, the Falls rating will very likely drop. They don't have many tough opponents coming up but they do have a game scheduled with Hibbing. If they lose that one by a substantial margin, this will drop their rating enough that the goal cap will be removed from some of their other previously played games. This will settle their ranking to a more reasonable number.

I played with the numbers a bit, removing their Fort Frances game and found out...it's Fort Frances fault! (the Blame Canada tune from the South Park movie comes to mind :mrgreen: ). Removing that game drops I Falls rating from 18.44 to 12.75! and their Class A ranking from 8th to 46th.

So, you might ask, why even include games with out-of-state (and in this case, out-of-country) opponents? Enter La Crescent. Again, back when I had long brown hair, I didn't include those out-of-state games. La Crescent played a overwhelmingly out of state schedule. In 1997-98, here were their Minnesota opponents; North Branch (which had a horrible season), Mpls North/Henry (likewise), St Paul Academy, St Paul Central and Fairmont. Their SOS for Minnesota opponents that year was 7.62. I decided to include out-of-state games. (As I recall, I had an email discussion with JP Piche, who was a La Crescent coach at the time...nice guy) This made their PageStat rating (along with other teams playing a number of out-of-state opponents) more realistic.

The solution? There is no good one. As I said, this was a unique situation. I'm not rooting for them to lose just to make PageStat look better, but if they play Hibbing close, their rating will probably actually go up. Fort Frances losing a couple of games to Minnesota opponents will also resolve this weirdness somewhat.

Karl and Class A guy, thanks for your input! We'll see what happens going forward.

(This response will lengthy due to the influence of some great Hazelnut coffee :mrgreen: )

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PageStat Top 20

Overall

1. Minnetonka
2. Moorhead
3. Hermantown
4. St Thomas Academy
5. Shakopee
6. Stillwater
7. Edina
8. Rogers
9. Hibbing
10. Rosemount
11. Holy Angels
12. Hill-Murray
13. White Bear Lake
14. Wayzata
15. Centennial
16. Blaine
17. Maple Grove
18. Warroad
19. Duluth Marshall
20. Cretin-Derham Hall

Class A

1. Hermantown
2. Hibbing
3. Warroad
4. Sartell
5. Mahtomedi
6. Delano
7. Blake
8. Cloquet
9. Rochester Lourdes
10. Northfield
11. Breck
12. Monticello
13. Detroit Lakes
14. Northern Lakes
15. St. Cloud Cathedral
16. Chisago Lakes
17. Orono
18. Luverne
19. East Grand Forks
20. Mankato West

Details are here: https://leepagen.com/ps2026.htm

And here is the PageStat SOS (Strength of Schedule) summary: https://leepagen.com/strength.htm

You'll notice International Falls has dropped out of the Top 20 in Class A. Their earlier rating was the result of a once-in-a-lifetime glitch. The glitch is fixed. I also analyzed every team's details to ensure the glitch wasn't repeated elsewhere. It wasn't.

Happy New Year, everyone! We have a great week of tournament hockey ahead of us.

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PageStat Top 20 thru 12/30:

Class AA

1. Minnetonka
2. Moorhead
3. St Thomas Academy
4. Shakopee
5. Edina
6. Stillwater
7. Rogers
8. Rosemount
9. Holy Angels
10. Hill Murray
11. White Bear Lake
12. Wayzata
13. Maple Grove
14. Centennial
15. Blaine
16. Cretin-Derham Hall
17. Lakeville South
18. Chanhassen
19. Duluth Marshall
20. Rock Ridge

Class A

1. Hermantown
2. Hibbing
3. Warroad
4. Sartell
5. Mahtomedi
6. Delano
7. Cloquet
8. Blake
9. Monticello
10. Northfield
11. Breck
12. St Cloud Cathedral
13. Rochester Lourdes
14. Northern Lakes
15. Orono
16. Chisago Lakes
17. East Grand Forks
18. Mankato West
19. Detroit Lakes
20. Minneapolis
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In the "I might be biting off more than I can chew" department, I can fairly easily incorporate North Dakota and Wisconsin scores into my PageStat file. The primary reason here is that it should (could?) make the PageStat ratings of those Minnesota games with out-of-state competition more accurate. Also, it would, if I chose, make it possible to post Tri-State ratings. This wouldn't replace what I'm doing now but would be an additional file and webpage on my site.

I know Mitch Hawker, at one time, had a comprehensive listing of several states. How he got Rhode Island hockey scores, I have no idea! :mrgreen:

Thoughts? I don't know if I would start these ratings this season or wait until next December.

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east hockey wrote: Fri Jan 02, 2026 7:25 pm In the "I might be biting off more than I can chew" department, I can fairly easily incorporate North Dakota and Wisconsin scores into my PageStat file. The primary reason here is that it should (could?) make the PageStat ratings of those Minnesota games with out-of-state competition more accurate. Also, it would, if I chose, make it possible to post Tri-State ratings. This wouldn't replace what I'm doing now but would be an additional file and webpage on my site.

I know Mitch Hawker, at one time, had a comprehensive listing of several states. How he got Rhode Island hockey scores, I have no idea! :mrgreen:

Thoughts? I don't know if I would start these ratings this season or wait until next December.

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I'd be intrigued to see this, especially to help us with things like a Duluth Marshall loss to Superior and all of those ND games East Grand Forks is playing. If you're willing to do it, I'd enjoy it!
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Me too
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PageStat Top 20 thru 1/3/26:

Class AA

1. Moorhead
2. Minnetonka
3. Shakopee
4. Edina
5. St Thomas Academy
6. Rogers
7. Stillwater
8. Rosemount
9. Maple Grove
10. Hill-Murray
11. Wayzata
12. Blaine
13. White Bear Lake
14. Cretin-Derham Hall
15. Chanhassen
16. Lakeville South
17. Centennial
18. Holy Angels
19. Duluth Marshall
20. St Michael-Albertville

Class A

1. Hermantown
2. Hibbing
3. Warroad
4. Sartell
5. Mahtomedi
6. Delano
7. Cloquet
8. Blake
9. Monticello
10. Breck
11. Northfield
12. St Cloud Cathedral
13. Rochester Lourdes
14. Northern Lakes
15. East Grand forks
16. International Falls
17. Chisago Lakes
18. Orono
19. Mankato West
20. Proctor

Complete ratings are at https://leepagen.com/ps2026.htm

A couple points:

1. Why did Moorhead flip with Minnetonka? First, as close as these teams are (they are basically in a tier by themselves so far with the teams below them in a second tier), it takes little to flip them. SOS can do it alone, and that is what happened this week. Moorhead's SOS rose from 20.98 to 21.06, and Minnetonka's dropped from 21.19 to 20.94.

2. The International Falls situation is starting to resolve itself. A tie with Proctor caused more of the Falls games to be included as it dropped their initial PageStat rating to where those games were now included. Their games with Willmar and Bagley (along with their tie with the Rails) are now included.

I'm going to start logging and calculating PageStat ratings for all games played by North Dakota and Wisconsin schools but it most likely will not happen this season. Looking at the work required, it's more of a late spring project. I want to see if including them affects how PageStat seeds the sections and if it affects who PageStat predicts in section games. At this point, I have no idea but suspect that including all those games will help.

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Appreciate the hard work, Lee.
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I haven't entered any other scores from tonight, but Proctor's 4-3 win over Hermantown jumps Hibbing over the Hawks into the #1 slow in Class A by a 0.31 point margin. This should hold

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