Section 4A 2006

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:38 pm

1/29 KRACH says: SEC&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp TEAM&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp RATING&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SOS&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SOS VAL 1&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp South St. Paul&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 214.696&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 4&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 31.348 2&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Blake&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 169.213&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 48&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 52.130 3&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Farmington&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 75.323&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 59&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 56.435 4&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Shakopee&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 24.673&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 73&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 68.227 5&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Mahtomedi&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 18.941&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 30&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 43.792 6&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Breck&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 10.258&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 79&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 70.318 7&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Simley&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 9.084&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 14&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 36.348 8&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Lakev. South&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 5.107&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 35&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 45.652 9&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Richfield&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 3.807&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 50&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 52.227 10&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp St. Louis Park&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 3.025&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 60&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 57.696 11&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp St. Paul United&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.416&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 82&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 71.143 12&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp St. Agnes/St. Bernards/Concordia Academy&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0.894&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 98&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 79.526 13&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Minnehaha Academy&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0.414&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 110&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 87.682 14&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Red Wing&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0.389&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 78&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 70.143

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:28 am

KRACH NOW SAYS: RK&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp TEAM&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp KRACH RATING&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SOS RK&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp SOS RATING&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp W&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp L&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp T 1&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp South St. Paul&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 214.915&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 6&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 33.000&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 17&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 6&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1 2&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Blake&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 171.101&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 54&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 54.500&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 18&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 4&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2 3&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Farmington&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 76.265&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 61&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 58.708&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 19&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 5&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0 4&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Shakopee&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 23.183&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 69&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 65.565&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 16&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 8&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0 5&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Mahtomedi&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 18.617&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 30&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 43.792&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 10&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 13&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1 6&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Simley&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 8.855&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 11&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 35.458&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 5&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 18&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1 7&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Breck&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 8.181&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 79&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 71.130&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 12&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 9&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2 8&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Lakev. South&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 6.176&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 36&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 46.667&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 6&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 17&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 1 9&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Richfield&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 3.634&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 46&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 51.261&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 6&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 18&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0 10&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp St. Paul United&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.870&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 82&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 71.773&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 9&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 14&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0 11&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp St. Louis Park&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2.842&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 60&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 57.500&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 6&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 18&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0 12&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp St. Agnes/St. Bernards/Concordia Academy&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0.787&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 99&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 80.200&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 7&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 13&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 3 13&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Minnehaha Academy&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0.393&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 108&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 84.870&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 5&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 16&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 2 14&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp Red Wing&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0.309&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 72&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 67.318&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 3&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 20&nbsp &nbsp &nbsp &nbsp 0

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:30 am

From another thread, but very relevant!: mnhockeygal Registered Member Posts: 140 (2/2/06 8:21 am) Reply Re: 2/2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SSP being ranked #1 is almost as bad as Simley not even getting any votes! Blake and Hibbing deserve to be ahead of SSP. Someone explain how Hibbing, who have nearly same record and same tough schedule as SSP , is ranked behind them??? Blake can be slightly penalized for very weak schedule, but seems clear they are worthy to be ranked anywhere from 1,2 or 3. Hibbing however should be an easy choice to be ahead of SSP. ghshockeyfan Registered Member Posts: 4269 (2/2/06 9:19 am) Reply | Edit Re: 2/2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've been very impressed by Hibbing as of late as well, but also all year. Outstanding team, and they are definitely one of the very top in A and can compete at the AA level too we've seen! This should go in the 4A thread but GAL brings up a good topic and I'm curious what other people think - who should be a higher seed in 4A of Blake & SSP? I think I have my mind made up but I'm waiting to see the last games before the meeting on Sun. Edited by: ghshockeyfan at: 2/2/06 9:22 am mnhockeygal Registered Member Posts: 142 (2/2/06 9:53 am) Reply Re: 2/2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From what I have seen and heard, I think Blake has shown to possibly be the better team because it has been more consistent, and not played down to competition or just failed to show up as SSP has. To sum it up, I believe SSP "A" is superior to Blake, but too often SSP has not had its "A" game and therefore I think they very well could be beaten by Blake. However, I do have to say this. I believe, based on SSP playing a very difficult schedule, and almost more importantly, Blake playing a weak schedule, SSP should get the nod for top seed. There shouldnt be any outrage it it doesnt happen, but my feeling is SSP should be #1 seed in section. ghshockeyfan Registered Member Posts: 4275 (2/2/06 10:23 am) Reply | Edit Re: 2/2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've heard similar rationale/considerations from other coaches/fans as well. I think it could go either way for many of the consideration points that you mention (these are the key points (in GAL's post) for consideration I believe). I have my mind pretty well set too, but always good to see what others are thinking and why. THANKS! Consistency is sometimes overlooked, but it is something that should be considered along with SOS and record, etc. once you get past head-to-head and common opponents I believe. Of course, head-to-head #1 and common opponents #2 are always first as they should be before you get down to the other considerations like #3) record/SOS/consitency/etc. Problem w/Blake & SSP is that there aren't head-to-head contests and so we must look at common opponents, and you also need to look at other considerations besides just these two as cited by GAL. BLAKE: 11/12/05 Minnetonka (Blake) W 3-1 11/19/05 @Edina (Braemar) T 2-2 11/22/05 Richfield W 4-1 11/25/05 @Benilde-St. Margaret's -- Red Knight Invitational L 0-7 11/26/05 @Warroad -- Red Knight Invitational L 3-4 12/03/05 Henry Sibley (Blake School Arena) W 3-2 12/10/05 St. Paul Blades** (Highland Park) W 6-2 12/14/05 St. Paul United** W 10-0 12/17/05 @Minneapolis Novas** (Parade) W 8-1 12/20/05 @Wayzata (Plymouth) L 2-3 12/22/05 Cretin-Derham Hall T 1-1 12/27/05 @St. Louis Park -- Schwans Cup W 7-1 12/28/05 Totino Grace -- Schwans Cup W 4-0 12/29/05 Warroad -- Schwan Cup W 5-3 01/03/06 @Breck** W 4-2 01/05/06 Saints (St. Agnes/St. Bernard's/Concordia/St. Croix Lutheran)** W 7-1 01/07/06 @Minnehaha Academy** W 13-0 01/14/06 @Owatonna W 7-0 01/17/06 Saints (St. Agnes/St. Bernard's/Concordia/St. Croix Lutheran)** W 9-1 01/21/06 @St. Paul Blades** (Highland North) L 2-4 01/24/06 Minneapolis Novas** (Blake Arena) W 6-1 01/26/06 @Rochester Mayo (Rochester Graham West) W 3-2 01/28/06 @St. Paul United** W 7-0 01/31/06 Minnehaha Academy** W 6-0 02/04/06 Breck** SSP: 11/15/05 Totino Grace W 4-1 11/17/05 @Centennial W 3-0 11/19/05 @Hastings W 3-0 11/22/05 Farmington W 9-0 11/26/05 @Stillwater W 6-2 12/02/05 @Proctor/Herm/Marshall W 9-2 12/03/05 @Two Harbors W 4-0 12/06/05 @Rochester Mayo (Rochester Graham West) W 3-1 12/08/05 @Wayzata (Plymouth) W 4-3 12/16/05 Richfield** W 2-0 12/20/05 @North St. Paul** L 0-3 12/23/05 Hill-Murray** T 3-3 12/29/05 Blaine -- Kaposia Classic L 0-3 12/30/05 Hibbing/Chisholm -- Kaposia Classic L 1-2 12/31/05 @Roseville -- Kaposia Classic L 2-3 01/03/06 Mahtomedi** (Wakota Arena) W 3-1 01/06/06 @Simley** (Veterans Memorial Community Center) W 8-0 01/10/06 Henry Sibley** W 5-1 01/14/06 Edina (Wakota Arena) L 0-4 01/17/06 @Richfield** W 5-0 01/20/06 North St. Paul** L 4-6 01/24/06 @Hill-Murray** W 5-2 01/27/06 @Mahtomedi** W 2-1 01/31/06 Simley** (Wakota Civic Arena) W 3-2 02/03/06 @Henry Sibley** #1) NO HEAD-TO-HEAD #2) COMMON OPPONENTS: 11/15/05 Totino Grace SSP W 4-1 12/28/05 Totino Grace -- Schwans Cup BLK W 4-0 12/06/05 @Rochester Mayo (Rochester Graham West) SSP W 3-1 01/26/06 @Rochester Mayo (Rochester Graham West) BLK W 3-2 12/08/05 @Wayzata (Plymouth) SSP W 4-3 12/20/05 @Wayzata (Plymouth) BLK L 2-3 11/22/05 Richfield BLK W 4-1 12/16/05 Richfield** SSP W 2-0 01/17/06 @Richfield** SSP W 5-0 12/03/05 Henry Sibley (Blake School Arena) BLK W 3-2 01/10/06 Henry Sibley** SSP W 5-1 02/03/06 @Henry Sibley** SSP 11/19/05 @Edina (Braemar) BLK T 2-2 01/14/06 Edina (Wakota Arena) SSP L 0-4 #3) RECORD & SOS: TEAM KRACH RATING SOS RK SOS RATING W L T South St. Paul 214.915 6 33.000 17 6 1 Blake 171.101 54 54.500 18 4 2

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:48 pm

This is related too: mnhockeygal Registered Member Posts: 136 (2/1/06 1:01 pm) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Class "A" I think will end up being pretty predictable. I will comment only on the teams I have seen: SSP - Very, very overrated. Biggest loss wasnt the scoring punch of the big 3 but the refuse to lose will and intensity. Way too many could care less, dismal performances like last night vs Simley, 1st game against Richfield, Hastings etc...Lets be clear, when this team skates hard, I think they are top 3 team in A, and possibly the best. That just isnt happening conistently enough and they will likely be beaten by a team that outworks them. Farmington - Very hard to guage as they played SSP very early and were destroyed. However the goaltending helped that a lot and obviously with Flor they have some scoring and could sneak up on someone but I think they are overrated also and wont be a factor. Mahtomedi - This team is someone who could provide an upset for the simple reason they work very hard. They took SSP to OT and played a very solid, well coached game. Totino - See comments on Farmington and insert Mcdonald for Flor Simley - Decent goaltending, no offense at all. Cant get puck out their end even. Played a SSP team who played worst game of year and were handed 2 goals and game still was never really in doubt. Work hard, but wont beat anyone of consequence, are terrible. Richfield - Work hard, but terrible. Silver Bay - Didnt see them but heard reports from game against SSP they are very disciplined and woork very hard and could be a team to watch. Hibbing - Along with Blake, best A team I have seen. year in and year out one of best coached teams around. Nowhere near talent level they have had but very solid, hard working team. Solid D, and enough scoring to make a run. Blake - Team to beat. Some good speed up front. Pathetic schedule is only thing that may end up hurting them. My pick to win it all. hubbaa Local user Posts: 1336 (2/1/06 2:43 pm) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mnhockey, i like you. you never pull any punches... mnhockeygal Registered Member Posts: 137 (2/1/06 2:52 pm) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I call a spade a spade and dont pretend to be something i am not nor do I need to get my friends to stick up for me like some others do. Its hilarious HUBBA, just hilarious. I watch that team last night and ponder "should they be ranked" and laugh out loud. Fricken hilarious. So whats your take on "A" state HUBBA? I think Blake or Hibbing will carry the hardware, unless Palmquist finds a way to get SSP "A" game for 3 or 4 straght games. Edited by: mnhockeygal at: 2/1/06 2:56 pm madjagfan Registered Member Posts: 20 (2/1/06 3:05 pm) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mnhockey--thought you were only going to comment on teams you had seen and then you go on to comment on Silver Bay which should consider themselves lucky, for you not having seen them, as they were one of two that did not receive a negative review. The Class A girls, based on your insight, may as well hang up their skates and take up bashing their old rivals-- GIVE IT UP!! mnhockeygal Registered Member Posts: 138 (2/1/06 3:23 pm) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I made positive comments on 5 teams. Unbelievable. madjagfan Registered Member Posts: 21 (2/1/06 3:30 pm) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And seven of nine had negatives attached to them----that is what is unbelievable mnhockeygal Registered Member Posts: 139 (2/1/06 3:37 pm) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah real negative stuff. Sorry, you and your little friend can stick to the effusive disingenuous fluff and smiley faces for everyone. I will choose to point out my observations. 5 teams were praised, and your spin or flat out lying isnt going to change that. hubbaa Local user Posts: 1337 (2/2/06 10:37 am) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mnhockeygal, "a" is a toss up. blake has consistantly been the best team and ssp has the ability to dominate them if they play its top game but ssp has been too inconsistant to rely on them doing it. i think "4a" will be decided by the seedings. if ssp gets the top seed i would pick them to go to state but if they get lower than the top seed (#2) i can't see them coming through. my reasoning is if they get seed #1 they will have to play one very good game in the section championship game, before that they will need two fairly good games. i don't think they will have a problem getting up for blake in the championship game if they both make it, but with ssp #2 or lower i don't think they will even make it. farmington lately is a much different team than just 3-4 weeks ago and i can easily see them upsetting ssp along with a couple other teams. if ssp gets to state they win it. i don't know how as i think many are as frustrated as you knowing they can play much better. i don't know if it's the coaching or the reluctance of the girls to change. whatever, they can't continue to play an open style and expect to win. they have to play to its strength (which playoff time ssp is usually much more conservative than during the regular season) which is d to win. i think the coaches are smart enough to realize this and i think the kids are disciplined enough to commit to it but i guess we will wait to see what happens. class a champ is either hibbing or ssp. out of the kaposia.. class aa champ will also be out of the kaposia in either ep or roseville.. xk1 Registered Member Posts: 79 (2/2/06 10:47 am) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think you will find competing in A a little different than what you are used to at SSP. It won't matter who is seeded 1 or 2, you both get a bye and you should cruise to the semis to face Mahtamedi or Farmington. You have played them both, Blake has played niether. You guys are the SSP experts, how do you feel about those two opponents mnhockeygal Registered Member Posts: 143 (2/2/06 11:07 am) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hubba - excellent analysis. I agree on nearly everything other than I dont know if even #1 seed that semi is a gimme. In Dec, yeah was a gimme, but I have seen too many dismal performances lately to think anything is a gimme (as late as Tues for ex). XK1 - Honestly Farmington I thought was terrible when we played them, but how can you go on a game in Nov??? Truthfully I think they beat up on nobodies and are not anywhere as good as advertised, but I cant be sure as I just have not seen enough of them. I dont care to play them, but I dont care to play Zephs either. They are disciplined and hard working and their goalie was pretty solid against us last time. The part that worrys me is this - SSP did not play well against Mahtomedia, but I cant say we didnt play at least somewhat hard. Usually our biggest issue is either not playing hard, or getting far too cute with silly passes and not going hard to net. The part that scares me is, if we had at least a decent effort, how in the world did we need OT to beat them? I think it shows they are well coached and play hard and therefore can be a factor in this section. Lots of things can happen - lets just say we are a bit more nervous heading into sections than we would have thought back in Dec. xk1 Registered Member Posts: 80 (2/2/06 11:19 am) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Farmington has improved but the biggest problem SSP would face is respecting them after you beat them 9-0. Just don't take them for granted because they do know how to put it in the net if you make a mistake. ghshockeyfan Registered Member Posts: 4278 (2/2/06 11:26 am) Reply | Edit Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One thing I've heard no one mention. That's that SSP has been there before and knows what it takes to win big games, and has an intimidation factor based on name & dynasty history alone. I think that after years (and I mean MANY years) of dominince, that the girls & coaches at SSP know what it takes to win. That experience, as much as anything, is what will give SSP an edge in sections and state. Plus, as I fought with with my own team re:SSP these past two years, there is still a "name" intimidation factor that comes with the jersey they pull on & the storied past/present they have. Some teams & players don't believe that SSP can lose or play poorly as they've dominated for so long. If an opponent doesn't believe that they can win due to the name of the other team, they then have no chance. I will be brutally honest here. Many homegrown teams in A have no business playing with a team like SSP based on talent alone. But, if they believe they have a chance, that makes all the difference in the world when that top team doesn't bring their "A" game, gives up a breakaway/fluke goal to spot an opponent a 1 or 2-goal lead, and lets a team into a game. Mahtomedi & Simley proved this in the last week with close scores at the end of the game vs. SSP even though both were badly outplayed/outshot. Much of this is mental. I still believe the game is 90% heart & 10% skill, and anyone who has watched my teams battle and compete against amazing talent/skill disparity & odds knows this. You still may come up short, but you gotta believe! Else, you have no chance at all... Class A is a quirky setup. I just hope that A seedings are done right and not too much credit/punishment is given to teams based on strong/weak SOS & record implications. My preliminary conversations with coaches seem to indicate that they understand the considerations necissary to seed teams accordingly thankfully. I do agree that 4A will have a much easier road to the sec championship for the 1 seed than the 2. that's why this seeding is so important. I also believe that it's possible for 4A to keep the streak alive... Every team that's won State A has come from 4A... but I don't look past some other teams either - Hibbing, Warroad, NP, TG, Alex, etc. are strong teams too! Edited by: ghshockeyfan at: 2/2/06 12:01 pm hubbaa Local user Posts: 1338 (2/2/06 11:30 am) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- mnhockeygal, i didn't say it was a gimme, i said ssp will have to play fairly good. if they don't they lose. the zephs are competitors, but all ssp has to do is stop May and they can't lose. put a checker on her and the game is a forgone conclusion. but i don't think they will, i just don''t have any confidence in the coaching. xk1 is correct with being over confident against farmington, but not only them. i can see them over confident against everyone in the section except for blake and therefore i think almost any of these teams can easily upset them. you mention how bad you thought simley was, but no matter how they have looked you can look at its results over the past couple weeks and see they are playing almost everyone very close now. simley is a team that in the past has been able to create quite a section upset.... i can see them upset ssp too.... mnhockeygal Registered Member Posts: 144 (2/2/06 12:27 pm) Reply Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HUBBA, i agree with all points except somewhat on the last one. I am sorry, but SSP played its worst effort of the season and gave away 2 goals, and still won easily - when I say easily I mean in the respect that it was never in doubt once they tied it. Simley plays hard but cannot get the puck out of their end even let along generate offense. Unless Gerten stood on her head (and she has shown ability to get hot) and they won 1-0 I dont see any chance for an upset unless SSP had just a historic collapse/choke. Simley however has played a very very tough schedule and therefore, being battle tested could provide problems and or an upset. This is where the schedule absolutely pays off for them, and they will be rewarded for having far more experience against top teams than most any opponent they face in sections. This however, is assuming they dont get totally hosed on seeding because of their poor record and end up drawing freaking SSP or Blake right off bat. I will go on record saying, I would think they can get at least close to a mid level seed, and I think they deserve that, given they are playing 2 or 3 times the # of good opponents as the other poor record teams. Definitely they can make some noise as I firmly believe, playing so many good teams all year long gives them a large advantage mentally and "pressure of playoffs" wise - But I simply dont see them beating Blake or SSP when they just cant generate any offensive pressure. Some very good points have been raised. I really think SSP 10-0 record had as much to do with reputation/fear as it had to do with that they played well. Sure, I think SSP played better in that 10 game stretch than in their next 10 games, and I wont take away the girls credit for a heck of a 10 game run, but there is little doubt in my mind they DIDNT play 6 games better in that 10 game run as their record ended up being (4-6 in next 10). I think a lot had to do with teams thinking they couldnt beat us, and the here we go again factor. I dont see anyone other than Farmington or Mahtomedi or Blake beating us, but one thing is for sure. If SSP plays like they did last game out, completely not interested and lazy, there is no question they can be beaten by more teams than the ones I listed. If they play hard then I think Blake is the only team that can beat them, short of the annual hotter than you know what goalie performance that hockey sees in playoffs, or short of Farm or Mahtomedi playing their "A+" game. ghshockeyfan Registered Member Posts: 4281 (2/2/06 1:42 pm) Reply | Edit Re: Class A State 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know, I know, I swore I wouldn't talk about "my" team, but a couple of points that are true in general but illustrated with my team in mind... A note about SSP last game - it was also their Senior Night, and this is always an emotional thing that can make it hard to play the best game. Last time in the building as a HS player for some of the members of the squad, etc. I disagree with the notion that a one-goal game or a tie game is not in doubt no matter how dominating a team is. Timeouts by both teams, opponent empty-nets, as well as OT, at the end of the last 2 SSP games illustrate this phenomenon. SSP outshot/outplayed their last opponent BADLY (even while not SSP's "A" game) in the 2nd (12-5) & 3rd (16-5) periods (28-10 total) after a slower start (6-4). At the end of 1 it was pretty quiet at Wakota vs. Simley with a 0-0 score. When Simley went up 1, and then 2-0 three minutes into the second the silence was deafing after the Simley cheering stopped (I didn't hear many cowbells!). Simley set themselves up to fail creating a shooting gallery due to penalty trouble as SSP came back. SSP capitalized on a 5v3 for their 1st goal (point shot upper L corner on screened G Gerten), but also SSP seemed to pick it up as the game progressed from this point. This was the true turning point in the game. It was 2-2 heading into the third before the eventual game winner came with about 7 minutes to play. In the third the two-line setup caught up with their opponent who had to skate 5 of their 11 V skaters for a period in the JV game due to illness & injury. This was seen for Simley vs. NSP recently (L 2-1 - outshot 29-9 in 2nd & 3rd). Gerten has been phenominal and should be an All-Conf. G with her play. She is definitely the Simley MVP. I also agree that a team that can generate more offense will have a better chance to upset SSP/Blake (or anyone). When you look at the low scoring done by some teams it would take more than just strong D & G to get a W. Richfield & Simley are great examples of this. Both have strong D & amazing G but can't seem to generate much offense. But, they are both homegrown class A schools too. Lakeville S has also put up decent scoring totals considering their SOS. I believe that some of the lack of offense is attributable to the SOS (playing top AA & A opponents, etc.). May gives Mahtomedi some scoring punch (in addition to a strong G), and obviously the same is true of Flor & Johnson from Farmington, etc. (& D & G McNamara can play well too!). this gives them the best shot at beating SSP/Blake. I believe this best illustrates SSP's scoring strength when you look at GF & SOS. Scoring in section w/SOS: RK TEAM RATING SOS RK SOS RATING GF AVG GA AVG 1 Farmington 76.265 61 58.708 156 6.50 65 2.71 2 Blake 171.101 54 54.500 122 5.08 39 1.63 3 Shakopee 23.183 69 65.565 110 4.58 54 2.25 4 Breck 8.181 79 71.130 89 3.87 57 2.48 5 South St. Paul 214.915 6 33.000 88 3.67 40 1.67 6 St. Louis Park 2.842 60 57.500 68 2.83 103 4.29 7 Lakev. South 6.176 36 46.667 62 2.58 92 3.83 8 Mahtomedi 18.617 30 43.792 58 2.42 60 2.50 9 St. Paul United 2.870 82 71.773 56 2.43 79 3.43 10 St. Agnes/St. Bernards/Concordia Academy 0.787 99 80.200 45 1.96 88 3.83 11 Simley 8.855 11 35.458 40 1.67 83 3.46 12 Minnehaha Academy 0.393 108 84.870 33 1.43 98 4.26 13 Red Wing 0.309 72 67.318 28 1.22 165 7.17 14 Richfield 3.634 46 51.261 23 0.96 67 2.79 Edited by: ghshockeyfan at: 2/2/06 1:45 pm

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:26 pm

1) SSP 2) Blake 3) Farmington 4) Shakopee 5) Mahtomedi 6) Breck 7) Simley <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Richfield 9) United 10) Lakeville S. 11) St. Louis Park 12) Saints 13) Red Wing 14) Minnehaha Academy

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:04 pm

Krach Said: South St. Paul Blake Farmington Shakopee Mahtomedi Simley Breck Lakev. South Richfield St. Paul United St. Louis Park St. Agnes/St. Bernards/Concordia Academy Minnehaha Academy Red Wing Difference likely was more W's for some even against weaker schedules & head-to-head for some others... I thought that this section was pretty well ranked/seeded by the coaches. We'll see if the tradition holds of the 2 seed coming out of 4A and then winning the state as has been the case every year so far. Should be a battle once again... Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeyfan</A> at: 2/5/06 8:50 pm

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:48 pm

My understanding is that both games tonight went into 2OT at least...

keepitreal · Post by **keepitreal** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:13 pm

The thing that gave me pause about Blake was the loss to the St. Paul Blades late in the season when the conference title was on the line. Then again SSP nearly slipped against Simley after pounding them earlier in the year. Both teams have experience and tradition in their favor but like any team must play to their abilities and not just assume their ranking will pull them through. Sometimes these games are wake-up calls, sometimes they are signs of trouble. That's what makes the sectionals and state so compelling--stories of cinderellas and champions. Should be fun.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:40 pm

And remember - SSP pounded simley early WITHOUT Bauerfeld! She was still held out after injury in the Kaposia at that time. All teams can play poor games from time to time, I expect Blake & SSP to bring their "A" games now when it really counts. Both are playoff veterans to say the least... Sections are a great time of year...

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:49 pm

I believe the score of the Breck/St. Louis Park game was 3-1 Breck... And - I left the Minnehaha/Farmington game at the end of 2 with Farmington ahead 5-0...

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 10:17 pm

SemiFinals are 2/16 @ Parade: (3)Farmington/(2)Blake - 5:30 (1)SSP/(5)Mahtomedi - 7:30

keepitreal · Post by **keepitreal** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 2:34 pm

Simley sure gave Blake a scare Saturday night. Although most observers would agree Blake had superior players, Simley's goaltender Mel Gerten was on fire. The game remained tied until a Blake powerplay goal late in the 3rd. The final goal was an empty netter. Both of the semifinal games should be great.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:11 pm

This was a great game, and not your typical 7 v 2 game... Blake is loaded with great players and a well coached team. Simley worked very hard and that helped them stay in the game. Blake put up an amazing 18 shots in the 2nd, but the shot count total was nearly equal, and likely would have been even if not in Simley's favor if not for lopsided penalties in game and 3 in third. Keep in mind that it typically takes a blatant penalty to draw a call in the third period (& especially at the end) of a tied section playoff game. Give Blake credit, they capitalized when it counted most - on a PP with a few minutes to play. Third time was a charm as Simley killed off two earlier in the period. Berit Johnson scored the game winner with a beautiful shot form the point that went upper shelf. Gerten was screened by a player in the high crease. I've talked to many who saw the game from both sides or neutral vantage points. One thing that isn't getting mentioned is the goaltending by Blake's Bowens-Rubin. Had she not made those 30 saves the outcome of the game could have changed. Gerten too is a phenominal goaltender for Simley and her 33 saves of 35 shots faced was critical. But, I am biased! <a href="http://www.esportsdesk.com/leagues/hock ...

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:25 pm

One thought I had about these big sections (and others) is that the time off (a bye) may actually hurt instead of help a team - although many coaches know well enough to pick up a scrimmage during this down time as Blake did vs. BSM. I believe BSM was at SSP today too??? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeyfan</A> at: 2/13/06 7:26 pm

mnhockeygal · Post by **mnhockeygal** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:13 am

Observations from section 4 Simley was no surprise - its been well documented they have been very highly underrated all year!!! Too bad someone didnt let the officials know that! Its sad a shot had to be taken at the officials - they had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. Simley actually could make a case they outplayed Blake, but Blake made one more play than Simley, period. Gerten was as good as advertised - rose to the occasion like the classic hot playoff goalie. You could see Simleys confidence grow as she continued to stymie Blake. She truly did give a big time performance. Simleys difficult schedule clearly helped them almost pull off this upset also, as again, you could see the confidence and no fear in 3rd period. Blake appears to have been a little over rated (including by me). Farmington on the other hand has vastly improved since early in year and I greatly underrated them. They were dynamite against Breck. I thought Blake was a lock to make title game, I now feel its minimum a toss up and actually think Farmington will win a close one vs Blake Thurs. Only saw 3rd period of Mahtomedi game but they again proved to be a disciplined hard working team. If SSP plays like it did against Richfield, they beat the Zephs. A lesser effort and SSP absolutely could get beat - Zephs play a conservative, collapsing game and can make good offenses struggle. If SSP advances, they match up better with Blake than Farmington. SSP has too many times overlooked teams this year (which is why the Zephs are worrysome) and having destroyed Farmington early in year is not good for playing them again to go to State. But then again, any team that doesnt show up with their "A" effort in playoffs doesnt deserve to go anywhere anyway. Bottom line - of the 4 teams left, if all play their "A" effort, SSP likely advances. However, Farmington is a very very scary squad right now and Blake hacving been scared thoroughly by Simley may respond with best game also. Blake - Farm has makings of a classic!!!

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:15 am

Didn't mean to come off as ref bashing, just pointing out the game situation in Blake v. Simley. I can't honestly say that that was one of Blake's best games either. They may have been playing down to the level of their opponent??? I didn't see them play much this season. The facts are the facts & I agree with MNHOCKEYGAL 100%. Only misunderstanding that we have is reffing commentary. I can see how this got misinterpreted unfortunately. Looking for a great set of semi's in thei section.

mnhockeygal · Post by **mnhockeygal** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:41 am

It doesnt change the fact that on that night Simley could make the case to have been the better team. Many chances to have won the game and Blake was fortunate to have won. Ironically, IF Blake advances, it may have been that game that facilitated it. Escaping with a win may just ned up being the necessary wake up call to that they need to bring their best game Thursday as if they dont their season may have only been extended by one game. Either way - Kudo's to Simley for their great effort. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeygal</A> at: 2/14/06 10:47 am

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:56 am

This I agree with 100%. Looking forward to seeing how the section ends up. Should be some great hockey on Thurs @ Parade!!!

keepitreal · Post by **keepitreal** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:29 am

I agree too, Blake got a wakeup call in this game. Although I will have to say from my vantage point the quality of the shots was far, far weighted toward Blake even though the SOG was close. #10 from Simley had some nice looks. Multiple Blake players had chances but Gerten was on fire--very impressive post-to-post butterfly. Simley played tough but Blake was clearly on the offensive, powerplay or not. Breck is still young and a couple years away from making real noise but the new sections will help them next year. I'm not surprised they came up short against Farmington's high-octane offense. I don't think Blake is a powerhouse team by any stretch nor is SSP--either or both could get knocked off Thursday. Class A should be a shootout this year!

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:02 am

QSC (Quality Scoring Chances) favored Blake in my opinion as well. I don't count these though in PP situations as they are supposed to be generated under such circumstances. 5v5 or even strength (ES) Blake had the QSC advantage, maybe nearly 2-to-1 in my opinion, and this is where Gerten nearly made the difference. Overall shot count was nearly equal, but still in Blake's favor for certain (36-31). All of these things (numbers) can still be deceiving though without the details I believe. A complete boxscore (including shots, penalties, etc.) helps, but you still don't see QSC's in even a detailed boxscore. Blake is by far the more talented team in this game, and the QSC's when ES likely point to that. Simley put a small scare into a phenominal AHA team in a 7v2 game a year ago, and that squad went on to win a state championship - so, this may be a good omen for Blake. Also, the history of this section is that #2 seed not only wins it every year, but also takes state as well. Time will tell though, and this is going to be a great section semi & final to say the least! I think Breck has some nice players - and the Curry, Gagner, Swiontkowski (sp?) F's and the Nygard G are all solid players. I also believe they are all returning and are quite young (sophs or younger mainly?)... SSP is still the best team that I've seen in A when they're on, but that Hibbing squad is very strong too, and there are a number of teams that have the capability to beat anyone in my opinion.

xk1 · Post by **xk1** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:18 pm

Well, if we can believe SportsHuddle, Farmington just beat Blake 6-5 in OT. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... xk1>xk1</A> at: 2/16/06 8:26 pm

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:28 pm

Yes - they did... Farmington 6, Blake 5 OT SSP 3 Mahtomedi 2 Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeyfan</A> at: 2/16/06 9:49 pm

SEhockeyDAD · Post by **SEhockeyDAD** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:40 pm

Wow. I was picking Blake to win state! Great year for Blake, though. They have some really talented young players, so watch for them next year, too. I see Farmington's goalie made 45 saves against Blake. A good goalie and high-scoring offense should give them a nice shot at state.

farmdad · Post by **farmdad** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:29 pm

I haven't read much, if anything, written about SSP-Farmington, so I am contributing my biased opinion...<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> It was a great effort by two very good teams. When SSP scored twice early in the first period, there was some "uneasiness" on the Farmngton side that another blow-out was forthcoming. Farmington answered with 2 goals to tie it - the second one by Ripley was unassisted and shorthanded. That effort says it all about her - don't be fooled by her size (or lack of it) - she is a gritty player who never stops. Flor almost makes the shot of the year when she lofted the puck from her own blue line during a penalty kill and it hits the crossbar!! If that puck deflects down instead of up....wow! SSP did what it had to do to win - stopping four 2 player advantages for Farmington. Great crowd - great atmosphere-great game. Good luck, SSP. Farmington-you had another great season...Thanks!!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D">

mnhockeygal · Post by **mnhockeygal** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 3:25 pm

SSP-Farmington indeed was a very good game. The officiating thru 2 periods was equally bad for both teams. Both teams got some bad no calls and then SSP got a huge break with a ridiculous penalty called near end of 2nd period in which they capitalized on and scored to move ahead 3-2. Then it became just outright lopsided and ridiculous in the 3rd period, with Farmington having 3 separate 5 on 3's, including one with 2 minutes left on one of the worst penalties you will ever see to put SSP down 2 men. For you hockey nuts, all you needed to know is it was Scottie G was the ref. The 3rd period was just ludicrous officiating wise. While not as packed as it was for EP - Wayzata, it was indeed a good crowd and it was a very tense section title game. A bounce here or there and definitely the outcome may have been differnt. Johnson and Flor played well and created chances and took advantage of SSP mistakes. Farmington deserves a lot of credit - they had a great game plan and hung tight the entire game. They arent remotely close to the same team SSP had its way with 9-0 early in year. In fact, to come back to tie it after SSP got 2 on them, speaks to their character as many teams would have the old "here we go again" factor with the 9-0 game is still fresh in mind. Farmington came at SSP the entire game and trust me when I say, SSP didnt officially breathe easy til the clock read :00. SSP won the last 2 games the way most thought they would have to. Use their very good goalie and excellent corp of D to limit teams to 1-2 goals and then find a way to scratch out 2 or 3 goals themselves. Its so differnt this year where scoring is at such a premium for SSP. I have no idea what the goals are from last year to this year but I would guess we arent at 60% even of last years goals. Their experienced coaches (having won the past 6 section titles) and excellent discipline helped them gut out some tough wins against 2 schools that were classic overacheiving wanted it bad type of teams. I think they have a shot to be playing for yet another title if they play as they have the past 2 games - but there is some high powered scorers in their way and it wont be easy. Should be fun to see! Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeygal</A> at: 2/19/06 3:36 pm

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