MN Hockey approves "Before & After" U19

[ghshockeyfan]

Certification wise - 90 people in MN currently have Level 5 (Masters - Highest). Of 125+ HS G Coaches, only 2 have this certification I believe. Interestingly, AHA had two of the 3 G HS coaches with this certification on their staff (Grossman and Kuenzi), Morris of EP is the other...<br><br>786 people have Advanced Level 4 in MN. Of this 786, 21 moved up to Level 5 this summer (no G HS Coaches moved up as far as I know). Of the 125+ G HS coaches, only 8 have this level of certification.<br><br>So, only 10 of the 125+ G HS Coaches have Level 4 or Higher Certification...<br><br>All HS Coaches are likely Level 3 as they typically get this at the Fall Coaches Clinic, or historically they have anyway.<br><br>It's just interesting to see the distribution in MN, HS coaches wise, etc.<br><br>I think that many HS coaches likely don't believe that they have any use for this certification - so maybe that's why you don't see many pursuing this past Level 3... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ckeyfan</A> at: 9/27/05 11:10 pm<br></i>

[StirTheMix]

So this forum has been curiously quiet on this topic. What's happening? Is this stuff moving forward? At an impasse? No news means...what? Dozens of teams? Several? None?<br><br>As for GHS's message about high school coaches being USA Hockey certified - I don't believe it's a requirement for high school coaches so what's the need to certify?<br><br>Actually I think having "some" certification for high school coaches would be a good thing but I'm just stirring the mix...<br> <p></p><i></i>

[husky5]

Stir the Mix,<br><br> HS Coaches need to have Coaching licensure from a college that covers a 1 semester course on hockey, First Aid and a couple of more classes to obtain that licensure. They don't need USA hockey to tell them to coach. I'm sure though the more knowledge they acquire the better the coaching they do. <p></p><i></i>

[greybeard58]

These teams are registered through U.S.A.Hockey and to coach these teams all coaches on the roster must be certified by USA Hockey at a Level 3. If a coach is not on the roster or has not filled out a backround check authorization form they can not be involved with the team in any manor.Follow the policies or go home. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

Right on the USA H certification for USA H teams. MSHSL - to my knowledge - does NOT require anything but coaching certificate through a college/university or you can do it through workshop as well I believe. I did it in college as an undergrad, so I'm not sure on the other routes...<br><br>I think that all coaches need refresher info. from time-to-time as things change and there are new ideas to be shared - but the game has many great coaches that blend that which they've been doing/using since years before I was born I'm sure - with what is new developments in tools/etc. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

A top MN Team coached by McCready (Lightning Coach), I believe others involved with Walser/Quinn.<br><br>ND tourney this weekend I believe. Should be good as usual.<br><br>There is a Walser (all team) site at:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://walserhockey.blogspot.com/">wals ... <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[xk1]

This site will have no information until after current B & A season ends, the author has no new information about what is going on this Spring.<br><br>What I do know is the McCready team is called the MN Rapids and will resume play immeadiately in order to qualify for State. Rumor has it they will be playing the Whitecaps and others. The Walser (Quinn) U19 team should also be starting play for the same reasons. Good luck to both. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... xk1>xk1</A> at: 2/27/06 9:59 am<br></i>

[PeterPuck123]

I do see that MN rapids have two games coming up with SSM, Nice to see them help the rapids out with there "after" part of their requirements. Should be interesting, to say the least.<br>who is on the rapids roster, any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. <p></p><i></i>

[xk1]

I don't have a roster for the rapids but I think it includes all or most of the Ms Hockey 10 plus McCready and Nixon as goalies. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

Pretty much if you take those that went to the older Lake Placid offering out of MN, you get the Rapids Roster I believe. There are some that differ I think, but I dont know the roster for certain.<br><br>Plus, as we all know, AAA hockey is the work of the <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>What we really need is a Fall Elite League that's done right. With Tiers (1 & 2 to start).<br><br>I would use NDP Nominations, Phase 1, Phase 2, and Lake Placid as a qualifier for this league. <p></p><i></i>

[JustBob2]

GHS, agree 100% with your comment on a fall elite league done right. Some info:<br><br>1. Russo's Northern Elite League for boys consists of 8 teams. One from the Moorhead area, one from Duluth area, One from Wisconsin and five from the metro. That means that roughly 13 goalies and 130 Minnesota pure skaters are considered 'elite'. That equals 5% of the total 2,983 boys who are seniors & juniors playing high school varsity hockey in Minnesota.<br><br>2, If that same 5% is considered elite for girls then of the 491 senior girls and 526 junior girls playing high school varsity hockey in MN then roughly 50 girls would be considered elite.<br><br>3. That would equate to two or three teams statewide. Consider also that many girls play soccer or other fall sports and that the distances would be greater...tough for Warroad girls to play in the cities.<br><br>Should we have an elite fall league? Yes.<br>Why?<br><br>Three objectives for this league would be:<br><br>1. Showcase the elite juniors and seniors to college scouts by attending Fall tournaments in Vermont, New York, and hosting our own.<br>2. Allow these girls to play with others and against teams with elite talent. Not only do they develop but they learn about the other talent and make friendships.<br>3. Preclude erosion of the MSHSL girls hockey program by closing the window for further independant opportunities.<br><br>Issues with running it right. <br><br>1. If the teams are formed by individual coaches they easily become unbalanced, qualified girls in smaller programs are missed and tournament directors are uncomfortable with allowing the teams into their tournaments, and scouts don't have an easy way to contact the girls. <br>2. Some form of qualification process is needed. Invite all the NDC girls who are juniors/seniors to a tryout in August? Hold open calls? <br>3. Establishing 501C3 non profit corps, providing longevity of league management, providing fiscal responsability for the league and teams, attracting sponsors, doing the MN Hockey paperwork are all traps for the unwary that if done wrong only end up hurting the girls.<br><br>One final thought on the Pre Post aspect of the current format. We really need to get this worked out so that the post season playoffs and the traditional senior classic type events don't overlap. They should be supportive not competitive. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

EXACTLY!!!<br><br>Can I make two suggestions though...<br><br>Could we also make a U16 division for FR/SO with similar numbers?<br><br>We'd need to work out the team composition process obviously. Geography would need to be taken into account, and what would likely be best is to have a 4th team of non-metro (N & S) kids that could participate in a couple select festivals on select weekends to make the trop worth it. The other metro groups could compete during the week I suppose but it's tough with Fall sports, other events, etc. A practice component would also be nice, but it's tough with how pressed for time these gals already are! <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

number name<br>35 Alannah McCready<br>19 Ashley Nixon<br>10 Christina Lee<br>13 Allie Thunstrom<br> 9 Jonnie Bloemers<br>15 Caitlin Hogan<br> 7 Jenna Kilkpatrick<br>14 Megan Sandall<br>17 Holly Roberts<br>11 Anna McDonald<br>25 Kala Buganski<br>12 Whitney Naslund <br>16 Katie Horner<br> 8 Kathryn Farni<br>26 Michelle Maunu<br> 4 Amy Udvig<br>23 Kathleen Rosso<br> 2 Jackie Robertson<br>20 Alexandra Zebro<br>21 Berit Johnson <p></p><i></i>

[PeterPuck123]

wow wee....can you say national champs. what a line up, not sure that the tb and ssm can match that roster by any means.<br>how is walser stacking up? are these the only 4 teams that are eligible for Minnekota district playoffs?<br>MN Rapids<br>Walser<br>Shattuck St. Mary<br>MN Thoroughbreds <p></p><i></i>

[xk1]

Any idea when and where the U19 Championships will be held. I assume at BIG the same weekend as the other State games. <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

I think the scheudle is availalble on the WHAM website:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.womenshockeymn.org/Opportuni ... <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.womenshockeymn.org/Opportuni ... <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.womenshockeymn.org/Opportuni ... <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[ghshockeyfan]

I don't know the Walser roster unfortunately. <p></p><i></i>

[PeterPuck123]

how close do they check out the rosters and the player requirements for these teams, and what is the penalty for having a uneligible players on the team, I was showing a friend of mine the roster and he was almost sure that some of the kids would be uneligible. He never did tell me what they had to do to be eligible for the team. Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated. <p></p><i></i>

[greybeard58]

All rosters are checked very close here and also at the national tournament. The teams had the process explained to them and if they chose not to follow the rules,they can not complain if they are caught. <p></p><i></i>

[FSDOG]

The Rapids played 11 games in the pre-portion of the season<br>and have 7 scheduled in the post - portion . the requirement<br>is the team has to play 14 games and each player needs to play at least 10 games .. Rosters are checked and signed by<br>the referees at each games conclusion and the scoresheets<br>are forwarded to the appropriate partie's. During the pre-portion , the team traveled to Michigan , to play 4 games .<br>2 vs. Honeybaked and 2 vs. Capitol Centre Pride . All of the<br>players have atleast 5 games in .. most have 8 or 9 in , and a<br>couple already have atleast 10 .. The girls from up north each<br>need to make 4 or 5 of the 7 scheduled in the fall to meet the<br>10 game limit . with 5 games on weekends , it will be no problem for them to complete the requirements .. Greybeard<br>please allow everyone to complete the post part of the season<br>before we start to make the claims of cheating and not doing things correctly .. As far as this team goes , the requirements <br>are being followed , just as they were explained to us . So<br>give us a chance to succeed , before we are chastised for not<br>following the rules . <p></p><i></i>

[JustBob2]

GHS, while I would agree with the value of a U16 Fall League as well as a U19 League remember that the primary purpose of the U19 teams is exposure to college scouts. Also, the question of post season play rears its ugly head. Finally, identifying talent is tougher with the less seasoning aspect. If I had to make a wish I would like to see MN Hockey allow the U19 teams to carry 1-3 players from outside the junior/senior category. That would sure help make the numbers work better. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[ItsNEBG]

What was that Just2Bob said? The idea behind B&A is college scout exposure?<br><br>How many on MN Rapids or Walser rosters aren't already signed up with a college?<br> <p></p><i></i>

[xk1]

They are talking about next Fall. Many seniors from the B&A teams did get exposure and it helped them get offers. <p></p><i></i>

[hockeywild711]

It my humble opinion all these leagues are a waste of time anyway. If i was a head coach i would tell my players to sign up for skills camps not elite leagues. I have heard to many girls tell me its all political anyway. If i am a college coach i would be asking some of these camp developers about players. Seems to me its just a way for people to make money in the offseason and boast about their great records coaching all-stars. <p></p><i></i>

[JustBob2]

Hockeywild:<br><br>I do know that the teams rostered with Minnesota Hockey, as are the Wlaser and Rapids teams, are backed by 501c3 non-profit corporations which are reviewed by the IRS just like District 10 or District 8 or the Wayzata Hockey Association. <br><br>I cant speak to the spring and summer teams. <p></p><i></i>