Ms. Hockey 2007

Artificial Ice · Post by **Artificial Ice** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:34 pm

lizzy04 - If that's your personal thoughts, then you should keep them to yourself. If you were her, or her parents, how do you think you would feel reading that type of post about yourself! Don't go degrading any hockey player on this forum! If you want to degrade someone, then keep their NAME out of it. As a matter of fact, I think your first post should be your last post.

hockeydad · Post by **hockeydad** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:31 pm

I've seen maybe a third of Jenna's games over the last four years, and I have seen her score plenty of goals and get plenty of assists. She gets them because she's an exceptional player who knows how to play the game and anticipates what her teammates, like Kacy Ambroz and Jessie Doig (last 2 years) and Courtney Sivula (this year) are going to do. She is always looking to score, but I don't see that as a bad thing. She also takes more physical abuse on the ice from opposing skaters than any girl I've seen.

brookyone · Post by **brookyone** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:38 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> think jenna kilpatrick is a joke. the only reason she has any points is because she parks out in front of the net and waits for people to feed her the puck.<hr></blockquote> Ya know, I've seen her play often enough to know this simply isn't true. I've seen her drive hard to the net both with and without the puck in her possession...which is exactly what most, if not all coaches want from their forwards. I've also noticed she battles extremely hard in corners & behind the net in the O zone...did you happen to see her tournament goal scored while battling at the corner of the net for her own rebound then ultimately scoring...I'd take her on my team any day. Also, at the next level, players willing to park / battle in front of the net are a highly valued commodity...every team needs players like that. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... ookyone</A> at: 3/10/06 1:43 pm

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 6:26 pm

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hockey112233 · Post by **hockey112233** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:23 pm

I didn't reply because I haven't read this in a while. Don't snap back at me with that kind of comment. And don't think that your use of sarcasm is going to make it anymore believable. Ok, since you would like to know the GOOD things in hockey, let me enlighten you. Oh and since you don't play, then you might not be able to grasp the fact of this, or understand any of the points I make, but hang with me on this one..<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> Well, let's see...playing high school hockey is a very positive experience from a lot of dimensions. First of all, the girls get to learn some great lessons about life because of their involvment on a TEAM. Being on a team requires hardwork, determinations, comprimise, the willingness to learn, patience, understanding, etc. It teaches the girls that it's not all about them, and no matter how good they think they are, without the other teammates, they are (in all reality) nothing. You never see a hockey game where its 5 vs 1. The girls have to learn to listen to eachother and take a give constructive advice and exchange ideas and thoughts. That is a good template to add to in the future when they need it for a job, or a family, etc. On a team they have to be willing to work hard and to learn, they have to set high standards for themselves and be willing to reach goals. This also gives them a brief example of their future. Even though they might not know it, every girl will come away from that team having gained SOMETHING. Another less political aspect of high school hockey is the enjoyment the girls get out of it. There is so much that the girls do together that you DON'T know about that makes the experience just that much more amazing. When they get to spend a few hours together off the ice, it's almost guarenteed that they are having a good time. Now if your daughter doesn't have a good time with her team, or doesn't enjoy the NON hockey events, then that is definitely her problem, because hanging out with 20 teenage girls that are probably your closest friends, is one of the highlights of being a teenager. I have also noticed that you infinitely complain about the teams, enrollments, blah blah blah. We live in the great state of Minnesota, the hockey capital of the country. And believe me, there is some GOOD hockey going on here, just take a look and appreciate the level that Minnesota plays at. If your daughter, friend, whatever, isn't put in the best position to play hockey, and it kills you SOOOOO much, then either quit all together, or put your best foot foreward and put your sweat and blood into making it better. Complaining, cutting people down, making no nonsense comments about the programs and people does NOTHING for you, or anyone around you. You are just making yourself look foolish and immature, but not helping in the SLIGHTEST. It's amazing what people can do for the program, and that is what has gotten it as far as it is today. What HASN'T gotten it this far is people like you. I don't want to turn this into a life lesson, but I feel as though I must. This hockey, this program, is not about you and it's not about your daughter. It's not about what you want, or what you think is the best. Your daughter should be very thankful she is even given the experience to play, and live the dream that people only wish about. High School hockey has become what it is because people have come together, shared ideas, been willing to learn, listened to eachother, and then in turn put all that towards making a sufficent program TOGETHER. If it sucks so bad for you, join that group of determined individules, that determined TEAM. There's hockey, and then there's behind the scenes, so if you can't get out there right on the ice, then GET INVOLVED. And that does not under any circumstance constitute any of the activity you have displayed in your rather ruthless comments. Be realistic with yourself...do you honestly think anything you have complained about has changed ANYTHING? Too bad you didn't use all that energy in a positive manner...I bet you would be quite the name right now.. Anyways, don't try and make excuses about anything that I have mentioned above, you will just be wasting your time.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o">

Renegade Ram · Post by **Renegade Ram** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:18 am

What planet are you from....It may be girl's hockey for you, boy's hockey for someone else, volleyball for another, football or girl's or boy's b-ball for even another. It depends on the area you live in, what sport has the political clout in your community. Granted hockey has a good ol' boy network but your generalization are bogus. You sound like you've had to swallow the bitter pill or were fed a turd by the locals...how was it?<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> ....<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin">

mnhockeygal · Post by **mnhockeygal** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:04 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You just don't get the politics in hockey or maybe you choose to turn the other way. It is frustrating as a parent that has a very talented girl, but do to politics and who you know, and not playing the game, she gets screwed. I refuse to play the game, because I believe that a girl should make it on her own, if she has what it takes. But that's not hockey and it's not fair. Why can't hockey be like other sports? <hr></blockquote> Has any poster had a more suitable and applicable name? "Hockeyparent" I believe says it all. I love irony.

mnhockeygal · Post by **mnhockeygal** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:08 pm

I look at the list GHS posted and cant believe it, but Kilpatrick is probably a lock. I agree she is a good player, but the fact that she is a lock for Ms Hockey I think makes me the class is weak. Any class is weak compared to this years and last years, but she doesnt compare to the elite of either year. Good player who can score but too slow to be considered best in state. But honestly, no one comes to mind not on his list! Down class???

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:37 pm

I think it's all relative... The current class is amazing - ghshockeyfan Registered Member Posts: 4806 (3/19/06 10:43 pm) Reply Re: SSM vs. Mn Rapids -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This class of 1988's is a far more talented class than I think most realize. I don't believe that any class of talent before, or any that I can see in the near future, will be anywhere near as strong.

gainazone · Post by **gainazone** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:43 pm

Hockeyparent reminds me of a parent I had a couple of years ago. Single mother with one daughter. She thought her daughter was the second coming of Natalie Darwitz. And in reality she couldn't catch a pass, couldn't give a pass, couldn't shoot, even had a hard time skating. But it was all the coaches fault for not teaching her all these skills. Even though all summer long there was dryland training which the kid never went to. But her child was the only thing in her life so she was put up on a pedestal in moms eyes. And mom just looked for something to blame when the child went down the wrong road. If a coach thinks a kid can help the team the coach will play them. I can only speak for my area but I have a difficult time believing a coach will play a kid based on politicing behind the scenes. Politics at times is brought into the picture when a kid who is a good kid, from a good family plays before someone who might have some character flaws. More often than not it isn't about hockey ability, it is about trustworthiness. Who's going to be at practice everday, who don't you have to worry about the night before the game, who is going to be the better teammate. That isn't politics that is the reality of the world. In the business world do you hire someone that has skill but doesn't work well with others and who you have to worry about all the time. Or do you hire someone who will work hard for you. Might not have a lot of skills but still shows up everyday, works to make people better around them, and who you don't have to worry about. As a coach I would much rather have the latter of the two kids. There still is room for those other kids on a team because it is good for them. There is not a coach out there who would not do everything he/she could do for a kid. But team has to come before the individual.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:45 pm

Amen. I may just quote you when I make these points to my players' parents in the future...

411HOCKEY · Post by **411HOCKEY** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:51 am

I wouldn't necessarily count Kilpatrick as a "lock". While I agree that this class is down, there are some very talented girls. Terra Rasmussen, Maria Stoa and Amanda Trunzo play in very hard conferences and have done very well. I have seen all of them step up in big games where it counts. I think Ms. Hockey 2007 will be more interesting then we think.

nutz4puck · Post by **nutz4puck** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:53 am

I know it seems harsh and it might not be fair, but I don't see a class A player winning it. Obviously final 10, final 5 is a definite possibility (as we've seen) but not Ms Hockey.

mnhockey20 · Post by **mnhockey20** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:59 am

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keepitreal · Post by **keepitreal** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:33 am

Stoa is very good, but BSM's Trunzo is very, very good. It's hard to stand out on a very solid team like that, but she certainly does. I have only seen Kilpatrick play once, but she's certainly worthy. However, I think Ms. Hockey is based more on their senior season success than on career statistics and it's just too hard to predict who will win it. You can probably make a short list of finalists though and be pretty close. I also agree with nutz that a kid from single A has the deck stacked against them.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:12 pm

One thing that may or may not help a Class A player is the notion that they often times aren't surrounded with the strong supporting cast of the other top AA player teams, yet still do very well - but "doing very well" has to be put in the proper context as well based on their opponents, stats against these opponents, etc. Also - I believe Marvin won this award from Warroad - a Class A school that didn't even make it to state that year? And - that same year all 5 finalists went to a Class A school - but SSP had opted up to AA at that time... 2005 MS HOCKEY FINALISTS Gigi Marvin, Warroad Maggie Fisher, South St. Paul Kayla Hagen, Hibbing Felicia, Nelson, South St. Paul Ashley Young, South St. Paul Stoa would be a great Ms. Hockey, but I'm biased! Many are deserving of consideration. A few seem to stand out at the very top though, and they - I'm sure - will be the finalists...

nutz4puck · Post by **nutz4puck** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:14 pm

Oops! Good point there on Marvin <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":o"> I am an idiot!

neutralzone27 · Post by **neutralzone27** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:41 pm

Just what is it that defines a Ms. Hockey selection? If Ms. Hockey is to represent the “total” hockey player and as “Let’s Play Hockey” defines this player as a leader in academics, community service, extracurricular activities, citizenship, coach-ability and on-ice performance, then who presumably, verifies these qualities and how much weight is given to each area? If Ms. Hockey is determined solely by “on ice” performance then is the standard the number of points or is it that the whole player is looked at – does this performance includes consistent back-checking, timely and unselfish passing, sudden stops and go instead of sweeping gliding motions when the play reverses course and not lobbying for calls or points from the referee. If it is academics – then are these verified for accuracy? Would a player with a 4.0 GPA and in the top 5 % of their class get equal treatment for selection if their hockey point total were a bit lower? Community service is asked about but is it verified – skating with the local mites and the rest of your high school team doesn’t speak to giving of your self to the community – or of giving of your own time. Greater participation in school extracurricular activities besides sports, what other activities are the Ms. Hockey person involved with? Lifelong participation in sports is wonderful, but what other activities does Ms. Hockey pursue to bring balance, depth and character to her life. How important is citizenship? How is this judged? Would following curfew at all times be considered an important trait? Or school attendance and being to class on time fit into this area? How are other teammates treated - is it with respect or mere indifference? How about sportsmanship and integrity? Coach-ability - some players with certain talents do what they want when they want; coaching around a player’s attitude is not coach-ability. It is doing what is to be done so as not to ruffle a player’s delicate sensibilities. Does listening to the coach and executing what the player is told count? Or does the player continue to do as they have always done? Are these qualities desirable in a Ms. Hockey? What about work ethic does the player work as hard in practice as in games? Player attitude and behavior, off ice or on ice, is important. Ms. Hockey is supposed to represent the whole hockey person, not just on ice performance. Hockey statistics doesn’t completely define the hockey person or does it? If Ms. Hockey is really about all of these qualities, then why are so few of the Ms. Hockey finalist’s listed as their teams’ Hobey Baker Award choice? The Hobey Baker Award exemplifies the depth of character; integrity and honor to the game of hockey, qualities that one would think Ms. Hockey would possess above all others in the state. Yet the team and coaches of the players, who know the Ms. Hockey players and candidates the best, have little input in the outcome of this choice; while the Ms. Hockey decision makers such as Let’s Play Hockey staff and other coaches from throughout the state don’t necessarily see these same qualities and they wouldn’t because they don’t see this player day in and day out. Truly there is a disconnect here – coaches, other than the Ms. Hockey candidates' coaches, can relate only to the on ice performance aspects of the player; they don’t see the other parts of the player’s personality nor leadership. Let’s not fool ourselves into believing that Ms. Hockey embodies the total hockey person; it is about points and in this year’s choice moments of flash and speed. The other qualities are debatable. Maybe those selecting the 2007 choice will more fully consider the total set of stated criteria.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:00 pm

This is a great post that speaks to all the things that should be considered when talking about a well-rounded player. Relative to HS Hobey Baker - different set of criteria there, and I think in that the "athletic ability" part often is put further down the line in that award's criteria, although it shouldn't necissarily be. I think for this reason you see differences between teams' MVP, or Ms. Hockey nominees/finalists, and their Hobey winners. While guiidelines are set for the selection, I think each program can interpret this differently. This award is similar to other team awards that some programs have been giving out for 10+ years too, so sometimes it gets some additional/less emphasis in one direciton or another I suppose... Maybe the best thing would be for clarification to be made as to if Ms. Hockey is more truly just about ability and not the other things. I know that people have posted the actual languade of the award description before on here - not sure where that is posted. No matter what, I do believe that all the winners to date have been very deserving. And there have been some great candidates that haven't won as well obviously.

FACMAN · Post by **FACMAN** » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:20 pm

Neutralzone27, Your post was good until the last paragraph although as I read it, I had a feeling the shoe was going to drop. I suppose if I asked you if you have intimate knowlege of this year's winner's leadership ability, academic achievements, community service, extra curricular activities, citizenship, etc., you'd say yes. And do you know the same about the other candidates? If not, how do you judge or compare? My question to you is: Would you tell her, or her family, to their face that those qualities in her are "debatable?" I may be wrong, but my guess is that the anynimity of this forum makes it easy. I think it is fair to ask if the D1 and D3 coaches who vote truly know about the non-hockey qualifications for any of the candidates. They probably don't so are not all the candidates in the same position? You seem to know a lot about the Ms. Hockey system, and have questions about it. Wouldn't your post have been just as effective by generally questioning how well the voters know and take into consideration the non hockey stuff?

FSDOG · Post by **FSDOG** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:34 am

neutralzone27 You write very well . you are also entitled to your own opinion , but like FACMAN say's it is real easy to spout off when you can hide in a closet and talk . No one can know everything about anyone . I am this years Ms. Hockey winners father . It was quite an honor for us and her . Reality is she does not nominate herself for the award , nor do she or her family have a vote . There were 25 or more very qualified individuals that could have won . I can tell you that my daughter will graduate on time , has plenty of friends , has a GPA above " B + " , was offered , Full scholorships from over 12 division 1 schools . She has never been in trouble with the law , Myself nor my wife have never been called to school to discuss any type of discipline problem . You mention curfew , Myself and my wife are the only ones that can determine if a curfew was met or not , but I will confess she has been late once in a while , but what kid hasn't . She is involved in 3 sports at school , that doesnt leave alot of other time . This keeps her busy enough . I as a father am very proud of her accomplishments . as far as evaluating her hockey talents , beauty is in the eyes of the beholder , different coaches and parents and fans all have their own opinions on what makes a player special . As a parent .. She is a great kid and has a very bright future , and has earned the respect she has gotten . Please do everyone a favor , if you do not like someone , Talk to them face to face , do not try to lessen their accomplishments from a bunker in your palace . Most of all do not talk about things such as curfew , which you know nothing about .. I set curfew in my house ... Thank you for allowing me to defend my child . Even though I should not have to . IT"S ONLY HOCKEY FOR CHRISTS SAKE !!!!

gainazone · Post by **gainazone** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:35 am

I have to disagree with whether or not college coaches know about what a kid does off the ice. If you are going to be bringing in a kid to represent an institute of higher learning, and to represent yourself you are going to find out what type of kid they are. Every college coach I've talked to has asked me the about the character that a kid has. It would be irresponsible for them to not know what they are getting when it comes to bringing 18 year olds and promising mom and dad that they will watch them and keep them safe. And high school coaches aren't going to lie and tell a college coach a kid is great if they know the kid has questionable character. It makes the H.S. coach unreliable and the next time you have a kid who deserves to play at the next level they might not get the look they deserve because the college coach may not believe what they say.

ghshockeyfan · Post by **ghshockeyfan** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:12 am

FACMAN, FSDOG, & gainazone I agree with 100%... I truly hope that the purpose of prior posts by others wasn't to question the character of any specific player having won this award. I don't know all of these kids as well as their parents, close family friends, etc. - but I can say that they are all classy and have strong character. College coaches HAVE TO KNOW what they are getting. Sometimes new college programs have to take more chances (consider this like what the Vikes did with Randy Moss) and sometimes those chances pay off - other times... not so much... and it can actually backfire. Specifically, if 12 programs offered a kid a scholarship, chances are that's a good kid. And I know she is too... And, any HS coach has to disclose a player's flaws to College coaches. Else, if they sell damaged goods once as something otherwise, it will haunt all their future players chances as stated by gainazone.

FACMAN · Post by **FACMAN** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:21 am

Gainazone, of course college coaches know something about the kids they recruit, but that wasn't the point. We are also talking about D3 coaches as voters and they most likely are not recruiting these players. This thread is not about recruiting. Nz27 repeatedly talked about the voters verifying the criteria. Maybe I could have stated my point more clearly, but I'm sure that all of the college coaches who vote are extremely busy and do not have time to painstakingly look into the background of the 10 candidates. Do they talk to each other? Sure. Are they in contact with HS coaches? Of course they are. Do they know about each candidates off-ice activities and character? Sure, but do they dig as deeply as nz27 suggests? I'll bet not. Finally, it's rediculous that any Ms. hockey winner needs to be defended here. It used to be that the only problem was from the conspiracy theorists who thought only U recruits could win. That was fun because it didn't get personal. nz27 got personal and that's just plain wrong.

FACMAN · Post by **FACMAN** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:28 am

One more thing. We are talking about the Ms. Hockey award. If it is not mostly about hockey, we could call it the Ms. curfew award, or the Ms. Extra Curricular Activity Award or the Ms. Community Service Award. Are the off-ice things and character things important? Of course they are and should be considered, but who wants to judge what among them should weigh more heavily to the voters. Some of the candidates are going to be better academically than others, others will do more community service. The kids are different and have diverse personalities. They do, however have a couple things in common. They are first, to my knowlege, all good kids, and second, they all are awesome hockey players. If they weren't they wouldn't be candidates. It has to be mostly about the hockey. As long as candidates don't have serious, serious character flaws they all are deserving. Shouldn't we just be happy for the winner and congratulate the others. There are no losers among them.

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