Minnesota Twins

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:22 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Maybe they feel they got fleeced in the Stewart deal and don't want to trade with the Twins again.<hr></blockquote> I must say Chris, that could be the truth. Cantu like I said wouldn't be a terrible guy to get. He's only in his 2nd year at the major league level and it looks like he'll have a very nice future ahead of him.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:02 pm

I hope that if something happens it will be meaningful. IMO, the only meaningful trade rumored was give up some pitching for Soriano. Apparently the Rangers arent interested. Everthing else seems kind of like a 'Bandaid' approach. Sort of ,if I could coin a phrase, "Booneish". Lets go.

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:25 pm

As bad of a night the Twins can have. Not only do they lose 8-5, but Torii is now out 4-6 weeks with an ankle injury. This has to be devistating for the Twins. He's their heart and soul, not to mention one of their best players. ------------------- "75 percent of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Smoot." --Fred Smoot

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:37 pm

Yeah very tough night. I was just reading through the trade talk area and here's an interesting quote: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>We're a last-minute team," manager Ron Gardenhire quipped to Minnesota reporters this week.<hr></blockquote> That was refering to when the deals are made for trades. Well I sure hope the Twins don't get screwed again like they did with Doug.

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:44 pm

Boone watch: 0-3 tonight (8-50, .160) Please please, play Rodriguez! The youngster needs to play and keep his nice bat alive...

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 1:55 am

With Torii done it's RIP for this version of the Twins. That puts Ford and his weak bat in the lineup as an everyday outfielder, and no solution at DH. THe Twins will have to work to not get 4th in the division now which is a shame seeing as how Radke, Santana, and Silva are probably the best three starters anywhere outside Houston in the majors. I like Gardy, but he's starting to look like a bafoon, if I hear one more time how "we're battling" I think I'll throw up. This isn't Little League, he needs to come out and say the truth, the Twins are underacheiving. These guys make good money and BA under .250 are not Major League material. Morneau, Ford, Cuddyer, et.al. may be the future, but they sure aren't the present. With Hunter out that leaves only 3 Twins regulars with a BA over .252; Stewart, Jones, and Mauer. Nearly every other AL team has only 3 regulars or less with a BA under .250. Any way you slice it Ryan and Gardy need to take some heat about how bad this team is right now. I think it's past "we're just in a slump" and what we're seeing are the real Twins. Skoal Vikings Lets Win The Game.....

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:04 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>and no solution at DH<hr></blockquote> Actually, what about LeCroy? For being a bench, part time player,, LeCroy has hit something like 9 home runs! Think of how many the guy could hit if he would DH full time. For now, I suppose he'll get his time. The Twins need a trade, and I would prefer a trade that involves at least 2 batters. The Twins can't afford just one batter at the moment.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:09 pm

Didn't you read about his gout? When does Glenn Williams come back? I'd really like to see him back in the lineup. Depending on how the Twins finish out July, I'd kinda like to see them hang it up this year and play the young guys. I'd really like to see Baker start more<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:18 pm

Twins dropped another one tonight to the BoSox, 6-2. Not much to say about this one. Boone: 1-3, yes a single (9-53, .169 avg) Well the big day is tomorrow, the trade deadline ends at 3 PM central time. As of now, it sounds like the only deals the Twins will make is either with the Red Sox or with the Rangers for Soriano. Good luck to Terry Ryan and the club on their decisions tomorrow. They've done a fantastic job in past years and I hope it continues.

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:08 am

I have heard rumors about the Twins trading Romero, Lohse, and Boone to Texas for Soriano. How great of a trade would that be for the Twins? They get a great hitter, and they lose Boone. Plus Lohse and Romero are expendable because the Twins are so deep in the minors with pitching. If this trade actually happens (which, regretfully, I doubt), this puts the Twins in a great situation for the rest of the year. If we don't get any trades done and we continue to not be able to hit and begin to fall out of contention for the WC, I would like to see the Twins bring up some of their top prospects to audition for next year's team (Baker, Liriano, Perkins, Span, etc.), and see what they are made of. The prospect I am most excited about (besides Liriano) is Denard Span. I envision him as a Carl Crawford-type player- he will run a lot and show occasional power with a good average, and I see him fitting in extremely well with the Twins. He, IMO, will be the next great leadoff hitter in baseball. I can see Scott Baker stepping right now if we trade Lohse, but he will definitely be in the mix for a rotation spot next year with Mays and Lohse likely gone. He has pitched even better in AAA than AA, with an ERA of 2.77 in Rochester and averaging just less than a K per inning. Another guy in Rochester that may start next year is Boof Bonser, the other guy that the Twins acquired in the Nathan-Pierzynski deal. He has thrown 118 K's in about 120 IP's and has a 9-6 record. All he needs to do his cut down on HR's allowed (18 in 21 starts), and cut down on his weight a little bit (6'4 260 lbs.), and he will be fine. My personal favorite is Francisco Liriano, who I also believe was in the Nathan trade (what a great trade that was). Though I just realized that he was a starter, so he can start next year for the Twins. He hs been amazing for AAA Rochester, going 5-1 with a 1.83 ERA and 60 K's in 54 innings. I honestly see this lefty as the next Johan Santana. He is that good. Another starter to look at for the future his former Gopher Glen Perkins. He has been very good in A Fort Myers and has not slowed done much in AA New Brighton. The one thing he needs to cut down on is walks. He has allowed 23 in 38 and 2/3 IP in New Brighton. If he gets his control together, he will be another contributor to the future Twins staff. The last prospect his one that won't be a member of the Twins next year, but is off to an impressive start in Rookie ball. Juan Portes is a 19-year-old infielder that has already shown he has some pop in his bat. Through 130 AB's (33 games), he has hit 7 HR's and is hitting .323. His slugging is at .562, and he has an impressive OPS of .946. He does strike out a lot (24 K's in 33 games), but has some wheels, (only 2 SB's, but he is only 19, and has potential to be a good baserunner. Well that is my prospect report. It was long, but it is what it is.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"> ------------------- "75 percent of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Smoot." --Fred Smoot

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 1:36 am

Nice detailed report, Koren808. We'll be expecting the same thing for both A and AA high school hockey before the start of the season. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> The bottom line is that this team is not going to make the playoffs. I disagree that this team is underachieving. Sorry to beat this into the ground, but they are where you'd expect a team that started the season with unproven players at third and short, essentially rookies at first and catcher and a second baseman in Rivas who had never delivered on the promise he showed in his rookie year. The Strib writers called this one, Reusse had been saying this since the start of the year. And I think Souhan's right, if a trade doesn't improve the team for the future they shouldn't make it. I would say the White Sox have overachieved this year, particularly with their starting pitching. They'll come down next year and if the Twins can improve their hitting which it should simply from Morneau and Mauer getting a full year of experience in, they should be in good shape for next year. And Hillfan, once LeCroy recovers from his gout, he deserves a shot at the fulltime DH role. In the long run this may end up being good for the team, it's harder to make changes when you've had success and if they can make some changes to strengthen the offense without weakening the D too much, they could end up with a better team for the long run.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:45 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Nice detailed report, Koren808. We'll be expecting the same thing for both A and AA high school hockey before the start of the season.<hr></blockquote> I would like a fantasy football preview if you have a little spare time <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> I agree with Chris and he makes some great points. Besides the Atlanta Braves, I can't think of anyone who has won their division more than 3 years in a row in the past decade or so. Every team has to eventually regroup to make another run at it and that is what the Twins are doing. I hope that they let the young guys play this season so that they get a little seasoning and don't have to start out new next year. IMO this will be a very interesting offseason. I want to see whether next year TR & Gardy think that they can win the division or if they are going to continue to bring in the youth so we can have another run like 02-04. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:12 am

Well the Twins decided not to go for someone this year, which isn't a bad decision. Then again, it kind of tells me that this could be the end of the Wild Card run. If not, then the Twins have a big hill to climb to achieve that. Here's my opinion on the rest of the year. -Keep playing Morneau everyday at first and see if his bat has more life at it at the end of the year. The time will get him more experience as well. -Wave goodbye to Boone and play Rodriguez and Punto at 2nd until one of them proves they are an everyday starter. - Bring up Jason Bartlett's bat and play him everyday at SS. He needs the experience, and he needs time in the majors. He is currently batting .332 in AAA. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> -Put Cuddyer at 3rd and do something like I said about Morneau. He also needs the time. -This is a bit out there, but I really say that if Lew Ford is going to continue is struggles, then he needs to be put down to AAA and a outfielder from the minors should be called up. Oh by the way, the Twins lost the final game of the BoSox series by a final of 4-3. Boone watch: An afternoon off. Could it have been his last time in that clubhouse?

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:19 am

Well, all of you guys make some great points. I was out of town over the weekend so I was lucky enough to not have seen them play. What to do now with this team is a tricky question. I dont thnk they will be playing in Oct. I think if there was a chance ,it went down with Hunters ankle. So, I agree with you guys. Forget the trades for now and concentrate on giving the young guys the playing time. Boone should not see the field again. Lets get Bartlet back and get him some at bats and lets go with what will be the future. Then, maybe trade some pitching for a hitter in the off season. Or trade some of the high priced pitching for a hitting prospect and use the money to sign a free agent hitter. They have some nice young players. I am impressed with Mauer and Morneau considering their age. But I wouldnt count on them carying the team for another 2-3 years. they need a veteran hitter in the interim. I think that if they dont get one all of the other work Ryan has done will be wasted.

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:11 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Then, maybe trade some pitching for a hitter in the off season.<hr></blockquote> Must agree packerboy. It seems to me since the Twins didn't trade, they are basically done for the year. Well, if they keep this pace up for a little while, then I'd wave goodbye to the 2005 playoffs. If they do keep up this pace, then these young guys such as Baker, Loriano, Boof, and Travis Bowyer should come up. Now that there is some great talent, and it's all pitching. If they can get some time in this half, then I'm sure it would be easier for the Twins to make an offseason trade with one of their veteran or more experienced guys (Mays, Lohse). I've also looked up a couple of decent outfield hitters(which wouldn't matter when Hunter comes back) but would help if Lew Ford's struggling bat were moved. Jason Tyner (.289, 15 SB's) or Kevin West (.275 13 HR, 48 RBI). Like I said, Bartlett NEEDS to come up despite his defense. His bat and glove both could use the time. I'm sure they can work with him on the defense. For now, we have to keep rooting those Twins despite the unreal struggles in the offense. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... Hillfan</A> at: 8/1/05 10:14 am

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:43 am

I agree about Bartlett. He needs to be one of the guys that come up to play. I read in the Strib that the only reason we pulled out of the Soriano trade was the asked for either Liriano or Baker to be part of the deal. The Twins did not want to part with either of them. Also, the Strib gave some impressive detail about Liriano. He has a 95 mph fastball and "changes speeds like Santana." Imagine Santana, Liriano, and Baker in 2-3 years pitching 1-2-3 in the rotation. Throw in Perkins and Silva, and that is the best young staff in the majors. In the other Twins notes in the Strib, Boone acknowledged he sucks, and Gardy anr Ryan are meeting to discuss when to cut him. ------------------- "75 percent of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Smoot." --Fred Smoot

EREmpireStrikesBack · Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:48 am

I will admit that I was very wrong about Boone, but it still was a low risk move so it wasn't too terrible. That said, get him out of here ASAP. I think the Twins should still try to trade some guys over the waiver wire. Jones, Mays & Lohse are the 3 that come to mind because I don't think they fit in with the future plans or we won't be able to keep them this offseaon, but they still have value to other teams for the rest of the way. I would also like to see some of the AAA guys called up and given a decent amount of playing time so we can see what they got. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:52 am

Change of subject, but big news out of Baltimore. Rafael Palmiero is going to be suspended 10 days for violating the steroid policy. <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2121659" target="top">sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2121659</a> Didn't see that coming. ------------------- "75 percent of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Smoot." --Fred Smoot

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:56 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>and Gardy anr Ryan are meeting to discuss when to cut him. <hr></blockquote> Well I read in the Pioneer Press this morning that they told Boone yesterday he had been released, or at least if not yet, then probably today. If so, Bartlett should be coming back up here, where he belongs. Koren, I'm just dreaming of that rotation right now. Let's hope something like that could continue the success of Twin's pitching.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:05 pm

Well boys, I just got done reading the Strib and I dont believe it. Radke is quoted as saying he is frustrated by the lack of a deal to add hitting. Radke is also qouted as second guessing the 3rd base coach for not sending a runner. I didnt see the game so I dont know what he is talking about. What I do know is Radke had a 1 run lead going into the bottom of the seventh and gave it up. He should shut his mouth and finish off the ball game. Ill tell yah, he'd be the first one I'd trade. He is over paid and is apparently more concerned about what the GM and 3rd base coach are doing than what his job is. Hes the stopper, the guy you give the ball to when it counts, the man, numero uno, the big cheese, the veteren,the anchor of the staff, ...... These guys arent doing their jobs. Not all of these losses are atributible to a lack of talent. The situational hitting is abysmal. But the pitching hasnt been that good lately either. 2 of the Boston losses were avoidable if the pitchers had shut them down when needed and had they played some defense.( Friday and Sunday) They could still contend for the WC if they get back to playin ball with the guys they have and quit worrying about the coaches and GM.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:25 pm

I agree Packer. Lately it seems like they just don't care and don't really wanna play. There is an exception of a few (Santana, Stewart, Hunter, Jones & Mauer), but most don't seem too inspired to be out there. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:39 pm

Boone has been released, according to the bottom line on ESPN 2. Bartlett and Tiffee came back up and played tonight in another dismal hitting performance (2 hits, HR by Morneau and a 1B by Ford). Way to go, team.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> ------------------- "75 percent of the world is covered by water. The rest is covered by Smoot." --Fred Smoot Edited by: <A HREF=http://p074.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... oren808</A> at: 8/1/05 9:39 pm

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 7:59 am

Well Hillfan, I hereby officially relieve you of your Boone watch duties and commend you on a job well done. Hopefully, the Booner will retire. He has done very well and has had some great seasons. But it looks like he cant do it anymore and if thats the case, he should hang em up. This is getting really old. 2 hits. Its a good thing they didnt send Morneau down, he's about the only thing they got going right now. Really weak. Youd think they were going up against Cy Young every night. Lets go.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:06 am

PS. Morneau in his last 162 games over the past 2 seasons: 34 HRs and 109 RBI I like this kid. He has a lot of up side. Wait until he learns how to hit.

Hillfan · Post by **Hillfan** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:29 am

Well thank you packerboy. I wasn't getting the job done at first, but I did my best in finishing strong, something the Twins have struggled with.... I have to say I agree with your past two posts. Boone does need to retire. If not, I don't know if he'll even end up anywhere. I'm really happy about Morneau now. After that major slump, he's finally getting out of it. I say this kid would hit about .280-.285 (if he didn't have his slump) in a full year. I'm sure he can easily belt out 30 homers or more and drive in more than 100 guys. The Twins just need to be patient with him (which they should be) because like packerboy said, he's only 24. I'm sure hoping the power stroke can continue through the rest of the season and into the 2006 year.

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