Ethan Frome

twinswin57 · Post by **twinswin57** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:40 pm

Have to read this book for some English class...who else agrees that it sucks?

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:52 pm

I agree 100%. Ethan Frome is terrible. I read that this year too. It isn't as bad as The Night Thoreau Spent In Jail, which I also read in English this year. If someone can read that and understand what is happening, please explain it to me. I have no idea what the point of the book was, and was so random that I got lost every 5 pages. ------------------- Catholics have churches, fat people have Wisconsin, and I have the Pawtucket Patriot brewery.- Peter Griffin

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:59 pm

Nicholas Nickelby by Charles Dickens Read that (try to anyway) and you will see that I win. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

koren808 · Post by **koren808** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:06 pm

ER- Read the book I said (the Thoreau book). I read this in an Honors English class, and not 1 person understood what the point of the book was, or what happened in the book. ------------------- Catholics have churches, fat people have Wisconsin, and I have the Pawtucket Patriot brewery.- Peter Griffin

EREmpireStrikesBack · Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:05 pm

I had the same exact situation. 11th grade Honors English. If I remember, the teacher ended up just chucking the book because of so many complaints. Easily the worst book ever <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:20 pm

Well, I wouldn't expect Elk River to be a bastion of English majors. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Sorry, I can't resist a cheap shot that easy. I haven't read any of the books that you guys are talking about. Judging from the reviews I can see why you might not like the books but that doesn't mean they're not good literature. And you guys are pups when it comes to difficult to read books, these books have to be easier to read than William S. Burrough's Naked Lunch or James Joyce's Ulysses or Finnegan's Wake. It sounds like Ethan Fromme is a chick-flick in book form, a drab farmer is stuck in a loveless marriage until his wife's cousin shows up. Kind of a stock story that can be brought to life by good writing or fall to the level of a romance novel. According to the reviews, The Night Thoreau Spent in Jail is a play inspired by opposition to the war in Vietnam and the time and setting change without notice, making it confusing if a reader's not paying attention. It sounds like it's like an abstract painting, not meant to conform to the traditional concept of a play with acts and scene changes. It's more of a philosophical treatise without a real plot, so instead of trying to figure out what's going on you need to pay attention to what the characters are saying. This sort of experimental art doesn't always age well, but this one sounds interesting to me. Nicholas Nickleby is a minor Dickens novel, but weak Dickens is probably better than your average book. He usually has interesting characters and according to what I read some real schoolmasters were upset with his fictional schoolmaster, it hit a little too close to home. Meanwhile, Finnegan's Wake is such a difficult book that critics (professional readers, if you will) were calling it gibberish and questioned Joyce's sanity when it came out. It's now considered a classic but one that only English majors would want to read and spend time dissecting. Sort of like how we spend time dissecting AHA's forecheck or arguing whether Jefferson or Eden Prairie have the better 3rd line.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:56 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Well, I wouldn't expect Elk River to be a bastion of English majors.<hr></blockquote> I'll give ya credit for the try, but it wasn't at ER <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> And I know what you mean about the weak Dickens novel being better than most, our teacher explained that before we quit the book and I'm sure that now I would have a lot more respect for it than I did back then. Weird how getting "older" changes things. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:30 am

ER, you've probably said this before, but where did you go to high school? And why are you a big ER fan if you didn't go to high school there? Not that there's anything wrong with being a fan of another school's hockey team. And very true that age and experience can change your perspective on a book or movie. Sometimes they just don't make sense until you've gone through a similar experience. And sometimes you need to understand what the author's trying to do. Naked Lunch is really difficult to read, but makes more sense when you realize that Burroughs used an editing technique, called 'cut-up' randomly ordering chapters and pages, to mirror the experience of drug addiction and withdrawal.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:18 pm

Try reading Northern Heat by Mark Elliott. By far the best book I have ever written. Darth - it is in the mail.

Knowlze · Post by **Knowlze** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:45 pm

Is that book about the adventures of a hockey representative in a "Northern" district that gets "Heat" about being part of a group of representatives that voted in an unpopular mandatory helmet rule for coaches?

hawkfan70 · Post by **hawkfan70** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 2:50 pm

and his strange facsination with Beavers <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin">

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:01 pm

I'll read it only if you used an edgy editing style or if you downed a fifth of vodka for every paragraph you wrote. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol">

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:37 pm

Knowlze - should be / could be but it ain't. hawk - strange?? I may be old but that 'animal' still gets my attention. ChrisK - where have you been? The preferred beverage is a very good scotch.

WarriorHockeyHoney · Post by **WarriorHockeyHoney** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:52 pm

i've read finnegan's wake and ethan frome and I didn't think any of them were that horrible (i actually liked the wharton), but the 100 page (give or take) The Old Man and the Sea bored me to tears. Sparknotes'ed it the morning of the test... poor man goes fishing catches supremely large fish gets dragged around by fish cuts hands fishy dies tears. Everyone should read Siddartha

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:28 pm

I'm impressed, reading Finnegan's Wake. I haven't even dared to try, I think it'd be a book where I'd end up waking up with my head between the pages. I remember it as poor man goes fishing, catches huge marlin, gets dragged out to sea by said marlin, tries to bring marlin back to shore, marlin gets eaten by sharks, other fish and birds so by the time the old man gets to shore nothing is left of the marlin. Sort of a modern-day adaptation of the Sisyphus myth and a commentary on the hardships of life: by the time we get the fish in there's nothing left and we wonder if it's worth the struggle. I thought it was a good read.

WarriorHockeyHoney · Post by **WarriorHockeyHoney** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:40 pm

I'm all for metaphorical representations but I mean...wow. I HATED that book with a PASSION.

twinswin57 · Post by **twinswin57** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:26 pm

now I have to write an essay for this garbage. due tomorrow and i don't even have the first body paragraph done

WarriorHockeyHoney · Post by **WarriorHockeyHoney** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:58 pm

You sure are great with your time management!

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:53 am

Well, hockeyhoney, some of us need the adrenaline rush of a looming deadline to get our tails moving. And there are always those other priorities calling, like a nice fresh sheet of ice... Yeah, Hemingway isn't everyone's cup of tea. I have a friend who loathes "For Whom the Bell Tolls" because he said it was too romantic. One thing that I hadn't noticed with Hemingway until it was pointed out to me recently was that there's rarely if ever any interior monologues in his books, people just do and say things so you have to guess what they're thinking. The author I can't stand is Ayn Rand. I've only read "The Fountainhead" but found the characters wooden and unlikeable and the underlying philosophical intent too obvious. I'm also not a fan of her philosophy of objectivism, I find it cold and incapable of empathy. elliot70, I've requested your book from the library, I'll let you know if the scotch was a good choice or if you should've gone with a single malt Irish whiskey.

WarriorHockeyHoney · Post by **WarriorHockeyHoney** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:11 pm

another good classic is "The Mill on the Floss" by George Eliot

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:20 pm

Keep me posted, okay ChrisK

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