Coaches required to wear helmets.

MN HOCKEY NUT · Post by **MN HOCKEY NUT** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:09 pm

I also got hurt last practice. I was skating down the ice and saw a really hot hockey mom. I turned my neck to fast and got whiplash. When will Minnesota Hockey learn that we need a rule against having hot hockey moms in the stands at practice? How many coaches have to get hurt before they do something? I also pinched my finger in the door on the bench once; I am calling for the removal of all doors from the benches. I almost forgot, I choked on popcorn before practice once too, ban all popcorn from the rinks. I am lucky to be alive. p.s. Just kidding hockey moms, we love ya. Please show up and watch whenever <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

big7stars · Post by **big7stars** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:16 pm

After reading some of these comments there are alot of people that seem to be just starting to coach. I am willing to bet they sit and worry about this thread all day long. Give this one a rest and buck -up newcomers and buy yourself a cheap bicycle helment and look like a moon man on the ice. By the way make sure it is pointed in the back for wind resistence. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... g7stars</A> at: 1/18/06 4:20 pm

epeaglesfan · Post by **epeaglesfan** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:18 pm

I burnt the heck out of my tongue on some hot chocolate, there shouldn't be any hot or even warm beverages served at the rink. Well actually, I burnt the roof of my mouth on the pizza too, guess thats gone. Come to think of it, I burnt my finger when I spilled nacho cheese on it. We better close the concessions all together, put all these horrors together plus what sugary snacks can do to your teeth. Disaster!!! BTW has anyone seen what a dink Hal looks like in his helmet, he probably just didn't want to be the only one.

Stateyourname · Post by **Stateyourname** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:25 am

Come on guys, consider this a great opportunity to show your individualism and creativity. Bring out your old flat top helmet from the 70's (Yeah, the one with two microns of plastic padding. I split my head open WEARING that helmet. Add the old cage style mouthguard for a true retro look). Or ,strap on your old round Stan Makita, and if you are truly into fashion, whip out that horrible round helmet with the huge holes in it that all the St. Paul kids seemed to wear. If you favor yourself a football fan, throw on an old Pro-Tec from the 80's. Heck, you can even paint some Vikings horns on it for fun. The kids will love you! If you fashion yourself a goal scorer, slap on your old Jofa, a la Wayne Gretzky, and show the kids a few moves druing your 3 on 3 games. Guys, for real excitement, throw on an older facemask, and by the end of practice, your chin will be shredded and blood dripping down your Easton coaching jacket. Everybody loves blood. You might even get a little TLC from the missus at home. Remember, and it's true, chicks dig scars. My point is ( and yes, I do realize that by saying that, what it really means is I have no point) consider this an opportunity to connect with your kids. They will love making fun of you and saying how stupid you look (but don't they do that now anyway? It will just bring it out into the open.) As my Pappy always used to say, "Wear your Brain Bucket out on the ice. I ain't got enough money to keep you on life support, so the plug comes out after a week." It got me to thinking.

epeaglesfan · Post by **epeaglesfan** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:07 am

"Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul" <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

DumpandChase1 · Post by **DumpandChase1** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:09 am

How about the old Cooper XL 7, like the ones they used in the movie TRON. Ugly helmet, but very light and comfortable.

SLP Coach · Post by **SLP Coach** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:12 am

The following was a part of the MN Hockey Coaches E-News Letter, that was just sent out. Seemed relevant for here. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Alarming News! Since the December issue two coaches have fallen during practices and suffered skull fractures and severe concussions. One of the coaches spent 10 days in the hospital. He survived only because he was close to top notch medical care here in the Twin Cities. The other coach, from Moorhead, also had a severe fall and will be off his skates for at least 6 weeks. He was out of work for several days and must be very careful what he does for the next several months. Please wear a helmet while on the ice, hockey is fun but not worth dying for. Please remember this is a kids game for kids and lets’ all be sure they have fun every day they are with us on the ice. See You Around The Rink ! Hal Tearse (I wear a helmet) Coach in Chief, Minnesota Hockey Minnesota Youth Hockey Coaches Association <hr></blockquote>

greybeard58 · Post by **greybeard58** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:17 am

If this is how everybody wants to respond on this board is one thing, I would hope a more common sense letter will be sent to the Directors and other Mn Hockey board members. The helmets will have to be HECC approved.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:29 pm

How about... please find coaches who can skate? That would be a start. How about... forget the stupid CEP and find people who actually know the game? How about... MAHA get back to worrying about the kids instead of covering their butts and micro managing everything? I was a volunteer coach on a house team because there was nobody else, and somebody has to do it. I played for 12 years, coached for about as many, but no card no. We can no longer play games because we don't have a certified coach. Thanks MAHA, I'm sure all my kids will be in a rush to play again next year.

Duluthhockeyfan · Post by **Duluthhockeyfan** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:28 pm

I don't disagree with you Goldy, but someone should have gotten a card so the kids wouldn't have to suffer for it. To be honost when I sat through the classes it was boring, and lame, and we had a D-1 asst. and a former NHL'er doing some of the presentation. I and at least 40 others from that class walked out saying it was a waste of time and money. I don't know how other classes around the state are run, but that was terrible. However, I took the re-certification online this year, and I was dreading it because I thought it would be similar to the class I had taken three years ago. To my surprise it was really pretty entertaining, and had a lot of good info that I have used to I hope make me a better coach. I think if you are going to do something like the CEP cards, than you make a weekend event of it in one location somewhere in the state, and you give people options to go and learn about things that they can actually use to help develope the kids. You set the date 6 months or more in advance so people can plan for it and get the time off. The other thing if you are going to make it mandatory, than each district should provide transportation options to the event. Make it like a conference, and that way you can create a "team" like atmosphere amongst coaches and Minnesota or USA hockey and that way maybe people won't resent it so much. But since this thread is about the helmet issue, I'll make sure to make my comments about it. I have talked to 17 coaches who won't be coaching next year. I don't agree with them, I think if you are doing it for the kids than you stick it out and never show them how to quit. But they all felt strong about it. It's sad because not a one of them had coached less than 7 years. I think it stinks and am pissed as can be that it has come to this. But what are we gonna do now? I don't believe we have any recourse. If we do (other than quitting) someone please let me know? Is there any legal approach that can be taken on behalf of coaches?

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:33 pm

I have been asking for a conference (2 actually North - South) for about 6 years now. It was my number one request this year. If you have more ideas on the topic please send them to me because I hope to get it off the ground.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:36 pm

I have received two emails from coaches regarding the helmet issue. They were sent to all MH board members. That is the approach I would take on this issue. Send them separately, band together as a group, gather signatures, find a represenative(s) to be in Detroit Lakes.

Duluthhockeyfan · Post by **Duluthhockeyfan** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:53 pm

If anyone is interested, you can see the presentation Hal Tearse put together for the winter meeting. It is a power point presentation, but you can view it as a PDF file. I would recommend watching it. Whether you are for or against this. I am most certainly against it, and after reading and watching Hal's presentation the first thing that came to my mind was, we should no longer allow tournaments to be hosted by teams in which visting teams must travel down two lane highways. The potential is much greater of a car accident when traveling down a two lane highway than a four lane highway. It is a statistical fact. So we should not put the kids in that added danger. If you want to host a tournament you must be accessible from either I 34 or I 94. We should be as pro-active as possible when safety is involved. Of course statistically you are more likely to get in an accident in your car than you are to have a serious brain trauma from falling on the ice so it is a ridiculous comparison. I'm sorry elliott, but Hal is a dink, I just wonder how he got all his power.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:02 pm

I did not start out as the coach, I only ended up here because the team had no coach by mid November so I said I would do it. Now no coach at all is better than one without a card. This is the lowest level of hockey here, I guess I just don't get the problem. If we had guys with cards standing around looking for teams that's one thing, we don't.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:05 pm

You can get a waiver from the DD for the CEP card for anything within your District.

troll21 · Post by **troll21** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:22 pm

Since the question has been asked and not answered, maybe I could send in a hypothetical number. It was asked how many accidents have there been. No one has answered but Mr. Tearse stated there where two incidents reported in December 2005. HYpothetical - 500 youth teams in MNHOCKEY ( I know this is low) 15 hours of practice or game where a coach has to be on the ice. 7500 actual events 2 accidents That comes out to .027%. WOW that is a stagering number of incidents that needs to be addressed. I just read the article presentation and that makes me sick that it was voted 26 - 2. This is a clear sign that the indiduals that run MNHOCKEY HAVE there own agenda. The poll clearly shows that coaches do not want his rule in MNHOCKEY. Still there are no numbers presented in the article from Mr. Tearse. All it states is individual incidents. I would say there where 10 separate incidents listed. How is this justiifed: incidents by the percentage to the amount of ice time? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p100.ezboard.com/bmnhs.showUserP ... troll21</A> at: 1/19/06 4:36 pm

Iownthechiefs · Post by **Iownthechiefs** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:39 pm

Any coach who decides to quit because they have to now wear a piece of plastic on their dome is in this for the wrong reasons and we should gladdly wave goodbye to these individuals. The attitude of coaches I have spoke with is that of disgust, but it is inevitable in the new "wussification" of the american male (to quote tom bernard) and they will follow the new rules. Elliot I would like to see some stats as asked by troll. I agree this is a travishamockery (love that)but we all need to go back to 9th grade civics and remember that a vocal and active group if people can induce change. It will take more than bitching on the forum. Start sending emails and snail mail to these DD's who bowed to the pressure. Flood their boxes daily. Elliot who were the other two reps who voted with you so I can leave them off my list.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:47 pm

There were 2 nays. You know one. The other represents 8. But do not exclude us from any mailings. I am NOT opposed to some system to get coaches to begin to think about heir own safety. And I think this has at least got coaches to think about wearing a helmet, where prior they may not even thought of it as an option.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:49 pm

Check your ezboard mail box

Duluthhockeyfan · Post by **Duluthhockeyfan** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:18 pm

Considering how low your numbers of teams/hours is troll the final number IS staggering. Staggering that MH would actually make the move. You are right, in either of Hal's presentations did I see any clear cut statistical proof of any numbers. A lot of this guy was hurt and that guy was hurt. Obviously, if one were to wear a helmet than you would lower the risk of head trauma. To argue anything else would make you an idiot. However, the fact is, it still doesn't happen that much. Were is Hal's Data that he speaks so much about? They should be mandating cups on the bench is what they should be mandatind, I have been hit in the fella's by sticks and skates a heck of a lot more times than I've come close to hitting my head.

CoachGuy · Post by **CoachGuy** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:30 pm

Its really sad when a board has to save us from ourselves. This decision should not come from the board. It should come when the insurance company that covers USA hockey decides that there are far too many injuries and threaten to drop coverage. Now I'm out of the loop a bit but I haven't heard that there has been an uproar from them. I tried on my younger brothers helmet yesterday and almost passed out. I have severe brain pain today. On a happier note my shin feels better.

99slowgsx · Post by **99slowgsx** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:26 pm

I have no problem with coaches required to wear helmets. What is the big deal anyways? I am a coach and I fell and got a concussion a couple of weeks ago. I stayed at practice and the next thing i knew i was waking up in a weird place. I know how to skate and have played at every level to high school. Accidents do happen. I probably wont wear a helmet until it is required, but will understand the rule if it is adopted. _________________________________________ <a href="http://www.fmhockeytalk.com" target="top">www.fmhockeytalk.com</a>

23MadDog · Post by **23MadDog** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:01 pm

Helmets should be required for attendance at all the meetings!

twine finder · Post by **twine finder** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:47 am

Doesn't everybody think that this is, in fact, driven by the insurance company that covers MN Hockey (K & K?) Wouldn't that make more sense?

Duluthhockeyfan · Post by **Duluthhockeyfan** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:40 pm

As of right now it is not driven by insurance. It was a Hal Tearse Crusade. My understanding is he recruited two women who would be willing to sue MH if they did not accept the rule. The women had (I think) spouses that were either hurt or died as a result of a head injury on the ice. I have also heard through the grape vine there is a group of coaches right now that have actually sought leagal representation to find out if such a rule is leagal. It sounds like things are getting interesting.

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