Buffalo Association Development

[Bash Brother]

I think CNT just ought to line me up and shoot me.

You know that making several small shallow cuts is more my style!

Not sure why but now i picture you as a guy who lives alone or with your mom in a small house which has bodies hidden under it in the middle of no where wisconsin ( where in wisconsin isn't no where?)

[HOFam'r]

Hi All- Today I got this annoymus note in the mail.

John:

We've been following all you're bashing of BYHA on the Minnhock site under "Buffalo Hockey Development." Why don't you just take your kids and play somewhere else? You've been negative since you're oldest son began and nothing is ever good enough for you...everyone is out to screw your boys. For someone who has never played a day of this and who's knowledge comes from his 'no it all-learned from a book" hockey genius's, we find it hard to imagine how you can slam everyone and everything. The people who are listening to you can go with you. They also have been cancers for years. Trust me John...We are fed up with you and your negativity. Find somewhere else to play and rip on them.

Some frustrated BYHA people

Well, folks looks like there are a few unhappy campers with my opinions and have elected to send me some cryptic note rather than talk to me in person. To say I am negative toward BYHA is incorrect. There is no one more positive. The nameless voice that threatened me and family will be found out. I understand people getting nervous about their reputations but please remember that I truly believe I am correct about my assumptions. If I am not, please tell me to my face...afterall the child who wrote this to me and threatened my family is taking my opinion as scripture. I think everyone knows this bored is not gospel.

Bottom Line- On this topic...There is not a choice and that is not right and for an Association to spend 15 to 22k of it's members $$$ after the price has tripled borders on insane. Personally, I don't like the fact that my opinions have created enemies however, if it is the price for having them then so be it.

I have donated several thousand dollars to BYHA over the years and tons of time to tournaments, announcing, bringing FSN to Buffalo, not to mention...tryout director for two years...which by the way was when my positive attitude began to change. I have seen coaches purposely put players on and off teams, I have heard coaches tell me that they were forced to have players on their team. I understand this is life but I don't have to feel it's right. By the way I never have read a hockey book.

[WayOutWest]

We've been following all you're bashing of BYHA.........
......and who's knowledge comes from his 'no it all-learned from a book" hockey genius's, .......
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The nameless voice that threatened me and family will be found out.

The "investigation" shouldn't take long.
You cannot find those kind of spelling errors just anywhere.
I suggest you merely ask all your "suspects" to submit a simple, written sentence to you. That ought to uncover the culprit, forthwith!

[Puckguy19]

While I often tend to disagree with HOFam'r (I can think of a few more positive about BYHA), this is going beyond anyone's boundaries of decency. One's opinions should not be responded to with what appears to be a threat that involves children. If you don't like what HOFam'r has to say, then counter his arguments, or at least try to distract him by celebrating his 400th post.

Think of it as a Republican/Democrat argument. Two people striving for similar goals, but with different paths to get there. One path is chosen, and the advocates for the one that isn't play an important role in scrutinizing the process. HOFam'r's done that. I notice that in addition to speaking up on the bored, he's also pretty vocal at board meetings. You don't have to agree with him, but it is important to respect opposing viewpoints.

I'm guessing the development issue is settled for this year, and hopefully the investigation will be resolved so that everything is on the table.

[guilford]

Wow. Can't say that i paid attention to everything in this thread, but HOFam'r had some really good points about development being forced down your throat, but the fees generated are use to pay interested parties. Then to have an anonymous threatening note - man, someone in Buffalo is pretty sick. I know what it's like to question the "good old boys club" (in another sport for me). You think you're bringing up good questions of accountability and good stewardship for the association funds, but the old boys just want things to be run as they always have been (and usually lining their pocketbooks at the same time).

[RLStars]

As far as I know, you can't just have your kids go play somewhere else. The local association has to sign off on the request, the receiving association has to sign off as well as the district director.

This person may suggest that HOF take his kids elsewhere, but that may not be an option. Why would Buffalo want to lose the money and volunteer time because he may be a perceived "cancer" by an anonymous hater?

[HOFam'r]

While I often tend to disagree with HOFam'r (I can think of a few more positive about BYHA), this is going beyond anyone's boundaries of decency. One's opinions should not be responded to with what appears to be a threat that involves children. If you don't like what HOFam'r has to say, then counter his arguments, or at least try to distract him by celebrating his 400th post.

Think of it as a Republican/Democrat argument. Two people striving for similar goals, but with different paths to get there. One path is chosen, and the advocates for the one that isn't play an important role in scrutinizing the process. HOFam'r's done that. I notice that in addition to speaking up on the bored, he's also pretty vocal at board meetings. You don't have to agree with him, but it is important to respect opposing viewpoints.

I'm guessing the development issue is settled for this year, and hopefully the investigation will be resolved so that everything is on the table.

Thanks PG19... as you and I have mostly disagreed over the years...it means alot. It takes a real adult to understand there's two sides to every coin and that because you see things different doesn't mean your not aiming at the same target. Obviously, whoever wrote the note is afraid and that fear appears to be of my opinion. Obviously, as people who read my posts understand clearly, I am not incumbered by fear...CNT, E70 and others would argue that sometimes I am incumbered by reason but not fear. The bored is about communicating your opinion and LISTENING to what others say...while poking a little fun as well. It's an outlet, that can be effective (obviously) in raising some eyebrows.

I believe, everyone needs to stand for something and when you do sometimes you create drama in your life and it's how you handle dealing with that drama/adversity that defines you as a person...not to the rest of the world but to your yourself as that is the only person you can truly control. Remember, without adversity there is no greatness...while adversity can be viewed as a negative and unsettling without some nobody will become the person they need to be. I think people who are successful focus on the final result and not on the mumbo jumbo getting there.

Enough babbling, to the person/people of BYHA who despise my attitude enough to threaten my kids and their right to play hockey at BYHA...Please quote me:

If you are smart business owner you will look for 'desenters' within your company. These are the people in general who care enough, work hard enough and want to succeed enough....to complain. Within these people somewhere lies the truth about how your company can function more efficently. The key to this theory is the definition of "desenter" and disquishing the difference between them and someone who is just negative. As it relates to BYHA, I am a "desenter" and if it is important to you to truly run a successful organization you need to listen to me and people like me and quit being bitter because we are against the status quo. No one should question my passion for Hockey and no one should question my dedication to BYHA and to threaten me and my family goes beyond and you will be found out and brought to justice....in this case I believe right now I should say...brought to justice again...and that means I have a good idea who sent this note already.

If insanity means doing the same thing time and time again with the same result, then BYHA and my love note writer are truly insane.

[conditioningsucks]

HOF I am trying to understand your rambling post.

Could it be that members of BYHA are upset with you because you have chosen to 'semi-anonomously' air your grievances to the world through this board rather than manning up, garnering support amongst membership and handling the issue within the structure of the association?

Embarrassing a whole community on this board because you are a 'desenter' isn't productive. Grow up and roll up your sleeves, get everyone that sides with your opinion and show up at the next board meeting and tell them you are there to help them through their problems.

Even better, since hockey has gotten so expensive in Buffalo, let them know that you will bring down the cost by volunteering to be the fundraising chairman on the board and that you will raise enough money to cut the cost of playing hockey in half. Of course, once you deliver you now have the 'street cred' to recommend the changes you want.

I am not from Buffalo or involved in any way with BYHA, but I can understand why some within the association may not be happy with you as you have decided to use this forum as a peashooter at BYHA when they are suffering from some serious financial issues due to what sounds to be mistakes made in the past.

[bleedpurple]

Is it a business or not?

[The brass tax for me is that hockey is a game and not business.

[Please quote me:

If you are smart business owner you will look for 'desenters' within your company. These are the people in general who care enough, work hard enough and want to succeed enough....to complain. Within these people somewhere lies the truth about how your company can function more efficently. The key to this theory is the definition of "desenter" and disquishing the difference between them and someone who is just negative. As it relates to BYHA, I am a "desenter" and if it is important to you to truly run a successful organization you need to listen to me and people like me and quit being bitter because we are against the status quo. No one should question my passion for Hockey and no one should question my dedication to BYHA

Lately your dedication to BYHA has been in the form of bashing. Grow up and be constructive within the Association, rather than destructive here.

Take to heart what conditiongsucks said in an earlier post--become the fundraising chairperson and do your part to make hockey affordable again in Bison Country--save us all from hockey dept Hofam'r, please!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HOFam'r]

Is it a business or not?

[The brass tax for me is that hockey is a game and not business.

[Please quote me:

If you are smart business owner you will look for 'desenters' within your company. These are the people in general who care enough, work hard enough and want to succeed enough....to complain. Within these people somewhere lies the truth about how your company can function more efficently. The key to this theory is the definition of "desenter" and disquishing the difference between them and someone who is just negative. As it relates to BYHA, I am a "desenter" and if it is important to you to truly run a successful organization you need to listen to me and people like me and quit being bitter because we are against the status quo. No one should question my passion for Hockey and no one should question my dedication to BYHA

Lately your dedication to BYHA has been in the form of bashing. Grow up and be constructive within the Association, rather than destructive here.

Take to heart what conditiongsucks said in an earlier post--become the fundraising chairperson and do your part to make hockey affordable again in Bison Country--save us all from hockey dept Hofam'r, please!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay BP and CS. I guess you are agreeing that sending a threatening note to my home is something you are okay with? Send me a private message and we can meet in person..or talk to me at the rink if you are hurt by what I am saying. As far as I know what I have said has been fact and I have yet to hear anyone argue that point...All I hear is a few people getting unnerved over a few posts on a hockey board..and I am the one who is suppose to grow up! Like I mentioned earlier, I have brought 10's of thousands to Buffalo. The what have done for me lately attitude has to go. Last year I brought a great fundraiser to Buffalo that produces a very large amount of revenue...I could honestly care less about anything other then the ability to express my opinion freely...what's the problem?

[HOFam'r]

HOF I am trying to understand your rambling post.

Could it be that members of BYHA are upset with you because you have chosen to 'semi-anonomously' air your grievances to the world through this board rather than manning up, garnering support amongst membership and handling the issue within the structure of the association?

Embarrassing a whole community on this board because you are a 'desenter' isn't productive. Grow up and roll up your sleeves, get everyone that sides with your opinion and show up at the next board meeting and tell them you are there to help them through their problems.

Even better, since hockey has gotten so expensive in Buffalo, let them know that you will bring down the cost by volunteering to be the fundraising chairman on the board and that you will raise enough money to cut the cost of playing hockey in half. Of course, once you deliver you now have the 'street cred' to recommend the changes you want.

I am not from Buffalo or involved in any way with BYHA, but I can understand why some within the association may not be happy with you as you have decided to use this forum as a peashooter at BYHA when they are suffering from some serious financial issues due to what sounds to be mistakes made in the past.

Could it be that members of BYHA are upset with you because you have chosen to 'semi-anonomously' air your grievances to the world through this board rather than manning up, garnering support amongst membership and handling the issue within the structure of the association?

A.) By now everyone knows who I am

Embarrassing a whole community on this board because you are a 'desenter' isn't productive.

A.) I am having an opinion and relaying facts...I didn't steal, cheat, mis-manage or spend...if people are embarrassed then it's their own fault not mine.

Grow up and roll up your sleeves, get everyone that sides with your opinion and show up at the next board meeting and tell them you are there to help them through their problems.

A.) Help..Roll up Sleeves...I have helped before and can again..just ask me.

am not from Buffalo or involved in any way with BYHA

A.) Standard Company line

decided to use this forum as a peashooter at BYHA when they are suffering from some serious financial issues due to what sounds to be mistakes made in the past

A.) Agreed...admit it and move on...no one really knows why these things were mis-managed so badly..people were responsible...step up and take responsibility and quit asking me to.

Could it be that members of BYHA are upset with you because you have chosen to 'semi-anonomously' air your grievances to the world through this board rather than manning up, garnering support amongst membership and handling the issue within the structure of the association

A.) Agreed...If I had enough enough support to win a few I wouldn't need this bored...so I continue to drum....right here...plus, I cannot control outcomes at BYHA but there are a few who can and the power to control these outcomes always keep the voice of reason to a dull roar...it's hard to drum up support with that kind of pressure...there is nothing fair about it...quite frankly not worth it for most...most would say I am a fool for sharing my opinion...they may be right...however, it's a battle I choose to fight and when you make that decision you must be prepared to live with the consquences...these are consquences but if I think about a positive outcome the decision is easy.

no more time today for the peanut gallery...ttyl.

[SECoach]

I've read and re read the letter and have a hard time finding sufficient evidence to use the word "threatening". Trying to make it appear threatening seems like another "unstable" tactic.

I think it's unlikely that your methods are helping anyone including yourself, BYHA, or the players. Do you have a right to post these things on this board? Sure. Does it help? I don't think so.

I've been around a long time, probably too long for your comfort. As i sit back and watch this unfold........I can say I've probably dealt with some in your same position. Thinking the whole world is with you, but going it pretty much alone. At some point boardmembers and association supporters have to go about their business and ignore some that just want to make noise and nothing is ever right. Find a positive solution for the sake of Buffalo Hockey.

[east hockey]

Here's the deal, HOFamer; in your first post, you asked is anyone thought you were "way off base". A few have said you were. Your reaction? To argue with them why you were right. So, if you were truly wondering if you were off base, then why the reaction to those claiming you are?

It appears to me that you started this topic not to gather information, but to make a point. Fine. You made it. Want to know what else you did? You made either yourself or Buffalo hockey look dense and immature, depending on who you talk to. Nice result.

Topic closed.

Lee