NHL Midterm Rankings

[starmvp]

You cannot buy your way into the NHL. Nanne's a role player and the market will dictate where his talent lies.

You CAN buy your why in the draft, however you CAN'T buy your way to playing time in the NHL

Any proof?

Look at the amount of NHL sons that are at the draft every year. I'm not going to talk about Nanne

[mulefarm]

Why isn't Mn high schools producing more high draft choices? I would say a pretty low percentage for the number of players we have. Is it a cycle or is last year and this year a trend? This could be the 2nd year in a row were there isn't a player selected in the first round that played HS through his sr year.

[starmvp]

Why isn't Mn high schools producing more high draft choices? I would say a pretty low percentage for the number of players we have. Is it a cycle or is last year and this year a trend? This could be the 2nd year in a row were there isn't a player selected in the first round that played HS through his sr year.

Hopefully it is a trend..... Too tough to tell at this point though

[keepyourheadup]

I think these things have always gone in cycles and there is really no trend. I also believe more and more top players are choosing different routes to the draft. Skjei will go in the first or second and Corbett likely in the 3rd or fourth and thats just a couple off the top of my head.

[warriors41]

You cannot buy your way into the NHL. Nanne's a role player and the market will dictate where his talent lies.

You CAN buy your why in the draft, however you CAN'T buy your way to playing time in the NHL

Any proof?

Aaron Marvin might be an example?

[keepyourheadup]

Maybe not playing time but drafted? I'm not so sure. Even Aaron Marvin was a pretty prolific scorer in HS and being 6'2" didn't hurt him. Bold prediction....Wild take Nanne in round 7.

[muckandgrind]

Why isn't Mn high schools producing more high draft choices? I would say a pretty low percentage for the number of players we have. Is it a cycle or is last year and this year a trend? This could be the 2nd year in a row were there isn't a player selected in the first round that played HS through his sr year.

In the short term, we in a down cycle...but if you look historically, Minnesota HS is producing more top NHL talent than ever before. IMO, the '13 draft will see a few Minnesota-born and maybe a few MN HS players go in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

If it weren't for the USNTDP plucking some of our best talent, we'd have quite a few more 1st rounders come out of HS.

[observer]

Corbett likely in the 3rd or fourth

Is Corbett a senior? I'm not sure he would be considered a top 15 defensemen among senior D playing HS hockey. He wouldn't be one of my first 15 picks at D.

[mulefarm]

I think Ann Arbor used to get more top end players from Mn than now. The last 5 years or so, players that played through their sr yr that were 1st or 2nd round picks: Brian Lee, TJ Oshie, David Fischer, Carl Sneep, Aaron Ness Ryan McDoungah, Jake Gardiner, Nick Bjugstad, Brock Nelson,Justin Holl, Mark Alt, Patrick White. Ann Arbor players: Mike Hoffel. Jordan Schroeder, Danny Kristo, Eric Johnson. SSM: Derak Stepan

[DubCHAGuy]

I think Ann Arbor used to get more top end players from Mn than now. The last 5 years or so, players that played through their sr yr that were 1st or 2nd round picks: Brian Lee, TJ Oshie, David Fischer, Carl Sneep, Aaron Ness Ryan McDoungah, Jake Gardiner, Nick Bjugstad, Brock Nelson,Justin Holl, Mark Alt, Patrick White. Ann Arbor players: Mike Hoffel. Jordan Schroeder, Danny Kristo, Eric Johnson. SSM: Derak Stepan

Also,

HS: Nico Sacchetti, Nick Leddy, Zach Budish, Tyler Pitlick
NTDP: Jim O'Brien, Justin Faulk, Derek Forbort

[keepyourheadup]

Corbett is playing well in Edmonton of WHL. He was one of the top if not the top D in the elite league before he left. Cody is an example of a late bloomer and would be a top 5 defensemen in the state had he stayed.

[Sats81]

You CAN buy your why in the draft, however you CAN'T buy your way to playing time in the NHL

Any proof?

Aaron Marvin might be an example?

Bad example. Aaron Marvin was a very good offensive player in HS and averaged about a pt every other game in the ultra competitive WCHA. My point at the beginning of this thread was almost EVERY forward who plays d-1 hockey or commits to a d-1 program was a prolific scorer in HS and/or Juniors. Meaning at the very least 1+pt/game, most are more like 2 pts/game and some even 2.5+ pts/game. The kids who play on the 3rd and 4th line at a Div 1 school ALL put up #'s at some level and NONE were 'role players' in HS!!! Nanne is a ROLE PLAYER in HS!! He is not a prolific scorer. Not an overly physical presence. Doesn't show signs of having a huge potential upside as far as size is concerned, etc. He is not even one of the top 3 forwards on his own team. You look at all the other d-1 recruits that are forwards currently playing HS this year...Kloos, Lettieri, Adam Johnson, Besse, Labosky, Opperman, Judd Peterson and every one of them has a great offensive skillset and all are putting up and have put up amazing offensive numbers in the past.

Again, I am not saying offensive production is the be-all, end-all. However, when you are a div-1 recruit as a jr in HS to one of the top college hockey programs in the country you better be putting up some serious numbers.

This is why I think a lot of people are scratching their heads.

[BBB]

In the short term, we in a down cycle...but if you look historically, Minnesota HS is producing more top NHL talent than ever before. IMO, the '13 draft will see a few Minnesota-born and maybe a few MN HS players go in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

If it weren't for the USNTDP plucking some of our best talent, we'd have quite a few more 1st rounders come out of HS.

Please tell us what you consider 'top NHL talent'. No one in the upcoming allstar game ever played in a MN HS game (unless Byfuglien played his soph yr?) and we don't have 1 player in the top 60 NHL scoring. We do produce good some good, solid defensemen and zero talent at the goalie position. Our top player in last years draft went 60th overall in a homer pick but a good pick nonetheless and this years draft looks like it could be one of MN worst ever. Scouts are going to take kids higher that prove themselves in jr and that's why MN hockey fans had to watch kids from florida, pennsylvania, missouri and texas get drafted higher than anything we produced at the Xcel last June.
We don't have one player on pace to score 30 goals this year and I doubt more than 1 or 2 will hit the 20 goal mark. Heck Wisconsin has Suter in the All-Star game, Kessel is there too and maybe one of the top 5 players in the world right now. I didn't look up Pavelski but he has been quite an NHLer out of Stevens Point Area HS.
I didn't know Ann Arbor was plucking a bunch of first rd talent out of MN?

[Gopher Blog]

I'm confused why Nanne's future really matters when all is said and done when the kid isn't being asked to be a top line guy nor is he sucking away any significant opportunity that prevents the Gophers from building a strong team. He's looked at as a player with good character that will show leadership and play his role w/o question

Kloos, Lettieri, Adam Johnson, Besse, Labosky, Opperman, Judd Peterson and every one of them has a great offensive skillset and all are putting up and have put up amazing offensive numbers in the past.

And all those names you mentioned will be receiving significant scholarships from their future school and will be expected to be scorers in college. It's not apples to apples comparison with regard to expectations or scholarship.

Sats81, you said in the other thread that down the line Lucia would be scratching his head over taking Nanne. I totally disagree. Lucia knows what Nanne is and what the kid projects to be in college (a role player). Given that reality, what is he going to scratch his head about when that is what the kid ends up being? Nanne certainly hasn't hindered the efforts in building the team when you consider they've landed Lettieri, Guertler, Cammarata, and Fasching as forwards after Nanne committed.

So much hand wringing over such a minor situation. It's like wringing your hands in concern over who is going to be the 8th defensive back on the Vikings roster.

[mulefarm]

I'm confused why Nanne's future really matters when all is said and done when the kid isn't being asked to be a top line guy nor is he sucking away any significant opportunity that prevents the Gophers from building a strong team. He's looked at as a player with good character that will show leadership and play his role w/o question

Kloos, Lettieri, Adam Johnson, Besse, Labosky, Opperman, Judd Peterson and every one of them has a great offensive skillset and all are putting up and have put up amazing offensive numbers in the past.

And all those names you mentioned will be receiving significant scholarships from their future school and will be expected to be scorers in college. It's not apples to apples comparison with regard to expectations or scholarship.

Sats81, you said in the other thread that down the line Lucia would be scratching his head over taking Nanne. I totally disagree. Lucia knows what Nanne is and what the kid projects to be in college (a role player). Given that reality, what is he going to scratch his head about when that is what the kid ends up being? Nanne certainly hasn't hindered the efforts in building the team when you consider they've landed Lettieri, Guertler, Cammarata, and Fasching as forwards after Nanne committed.

So much hand wringing over such a minor situation. It's like wringing your hands in concern over who is going to be the 8th defensive back on the Vikings roster.

Nothing against Nanne, but why is Lucia taking a jr in high school to be a role player? There are a ton of guys in the USHL or NAHL that could fit that role for very little scholarsip money.

[Gopher Blog]

Nothing against Nanne, but why is Lucia taking a jr in high school to be a role player? There are a ton of guys in the USHL or NAHL that could fit that role for very little scholarsip money.

You'd have to ask them. It could be for a number of reasons. But if a kid fits that role, has legacy ties to the program, and the price is right, why not?

[mulefarm]

Nothing against Nanne, but why is Lucia taking a jr in high school to be a role player? There are a ton of guys in the USHL or NAHL that could fit that role for very little scholarsip money.

You'd have to ask them. It could be for a number of reasons. But if a kid fits that role, has legacy ties to the program, and the price is right, why not?

What was the price?