NHL Midterm Rankings

observer · Post by **observer** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:54 am

NHL Midterm Player Draft Rankings

132 BISCHOFF, JAKE GRAND RAPIDS HIGH-MN 5' 11” 178 D
139 JOHNSON, ADAM HIBBING HS HIGH-MN 5' 10" 150 LW
155 MERCHANT, WILL EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 0" 172 LW
159 MAY, ELI EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 1" 190 D
162 OPPERMAN, GRANT BRECK HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 11" 180 RW
174 SAMPAIR, CHARLIE HILL-MURRAY HIGH-MN 6' 0" 180 C
178 OLSON, TREVOR DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 1" 180 RW
198 TONINATO, DOMINIC DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 165 C
199 NANNE, LOUIS EDINA HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 10" 162 LW

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=76670

BBgunner · Post by **BBgunner** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:45 am

No Dickman? Steman? Kloos?

D6Rocks · Post by **D6Rocks** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:54 am

18 SKJEI, BRADY USA U-18
83 MICHAELSON, AJ WATERLOO

Goalies

9 OLSON, COLLIN USA U-18

mngopherfan · Post by **mngopherfan** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:05 pm

BBgunner wrote:No Dickman? Steman? Kloos?

Besse...

rudy · Post by **rudy** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:48 pm

44 STEPAN, ZACHARY SHATTUCK-ST.MARYS

83 MICHAELSON, AJ

108 NELSON, LOGAN

189 MONTGOMERY, JACOB

MoreCowBell · Post by **MoreCowBell** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:06 pm

Break down on leagues;

OHL- 55
QMJHL- 28
WHL- 39
USHL- 34
HS- 32
NCAA- 6
Other- 16

Of the 16 MN kids 5 are at Shattuck, 2 in Jr's, 9 hs players
Count does not include goalies

oldschoolpuckster · Post by **oldschoolpuckster** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:02 pm

WOW!!

Major Junior =122

NCAA=6

Well, at least you get an education.........

StreetStix · Post by **StreetStix** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:09 pm

oldschoolpuckster wrote:WOW!!

Major Junior =122

NCAA=6

Well, at least you get an education.........

Pretty sure that the majority of college players who are actually NHL-worthy are already drafted. That's why they aren't in the 2012 Draft rankings.

C-dad · Post by **C-dad** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:10 pm

oldschoolpuckster wrote:WOW!!

Major Junior =122

NCAA=6

Well, at least you get an education.........

Pretty misleading numbers since many of those not in CHL will wind up at NCAA (us high schools, USNTDP, USHL).

i.e., I'll bet you didn't count:
18 SKJEI, BRADY USA U-18 USHL 6' 2.75" 200 D

as NCAA in your count, yet he is committed to U of M.

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:56 pm

observer wrote:NHL Midterm Player Draft Rankings

132 BISCHOFF, JAKE GRAND RAPIDS HIGH-MN 5' 11” 178 D
139 JOHNSON, ADAM HIBBING HS HIGH-MN 5' 10" 150 LW
155 MERCHANT, WILL EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 0" 172 LW
159 MAY, ELI EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 1" 190 D
162 OPPERMAN, GRANT BRECK HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 11" 180 RW
174 SAMPAIR, CHARLIE HILL-MURRAY HIGH-MN 6' 0" 180 C
178 OLSON, TREVOR DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 1" 180 RW
198 TONINATO, DOMINIC DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 165 C
199 NANNE, LOUIS EDINA HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 10" 162 LW
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=76670

I'm confused on Nanne...11pts in 15 games? Potentially NHL draft worthy?

Oldtimehockeyguy23 · Post by **Oldtimehockeyguy23** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:31 pm

Sats81 wrote:
observer wrote:NHL Midterm Player Draft Rankings

132 BISCHOFF, JAKE GRAND RAPIDS HIGH-MN 5' 11” 178 D
139 JOHNSON, ADAM HIBBING HS HIGH-MN 5' 10" 150 LW
155 MERCHANT, WILL EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 0" 172 LW
159 MAY, ELI EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 1" 190 D
162 OPPERMAN, GRANT BRECK HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 11" 180 RW
174 SAMPAIR, CHARLIE HILL-MURRAY HIGH-MN 6' 0" 180 C
178 OLSON, TREVOR DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 1" 180 RW
198 TONINATO, DOMINIC DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 165 C
199 NANNE, LOUIS EDINA HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 10" 162 LW
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=76670
I'm confused on Nanne...11pts in 15 games? Potentially NHL draft worthy?

Give it a rest, he is a skilled disciplined team player. Will do well at the next level.

So since it's all about points, would you like the cisar bros. on this list?

Oldtimehockeyguy23 · Post by **Oldtimehockeyguy23** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:34 pm

92 CORBETT, CODY EDMONTON WHL 6' 0.0" 210 D

GordonBombay99 · Post by **GordonBombay99** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:34 pm

Still plenty of season to play yet so hopefully we can get a few more Minnesota guys up in those rankings. Remember teams tend to go off the chart on some of their picks and the rankings are just a groups opinion, all be it a very highly respected group.

keepyourheadup · Post by **keepyourheadup** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:38 pm

Sorry, but have to agree with sats on this one. 5' 10" guys in the nhl better be scorers. Nothing against Louie but I think this ranking is a little dubious. One guy I thought we'd see on the list was Baskin. With his size I figured it was almost a certainty.

xy · Post by xy » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:40 pm

Oldtimehockeyguy23 wrote:
Sats81 wrote:
observer wrote:NHL Midterm Player Draft Rankings

132 BISCHOFF, JAKE GRAND RAPIDS HIGH-MN 5' 11” 178 D
139 JOHNSON, ADAM HIBBING HS HIGH-MN 5' 10" 150 LW
155 MERCHANT, WILL EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 0" 172 LW
159 MAY, ELI EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 1" 190 D
162 OPPERMAN, GRANT BRECK HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 11" 180 RW
174 SAMPAIR, CHARLIE HILL-MURRAY HIGH-MN 6' 0" 180 C
178 OLSON, TREVOR DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 1" 180 RW
198 TONINATO, DOMINIC DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 165 C
199 NANNE, LOUIS EDINA HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 10" 162 LW
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=76670
I'm confused on Nanne...11pts in 15 games? Potentially NHL draft worthy?
Give it a rest, he is a skilled disciplined team player. Will do well at the next level.

So since it's all about points, would you like the cisar bros. on this list?

No, it's not all about points, and you hate to single out a kid who has had nothing to do with compiling this list . . . but 11 points in 15 games, with five of those points coming in games against Eastview and Holy Angels, both of which are down this year, and a listed size of 5'10", 162? Unless he's playing with an injury and nobody knows about it, that really makes you wonder if the "is your last name the same as a former NHL GM?" factor isn't at play here. It's hard to think a forward who isn't doing more than that offensively in high school is much of a pro prospect - being a skilled, disciplined team player doesn't preclude helping put the puck in the net.

oldschoolpuckster · Post by **oldschoolpuckster** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:03 pm

Thats fine. I am sure there are a few kids that are NCAA players that are not counted on this list (I did not make this list, just read what was posted) but there will not even be half of what Maj. Jr. sends!!

I am just tired of the Major Junior being "dismissed" by so many MN people. It is still the top producer of talent to the NHL...BY FAR and my hope is that more kids will give it a look (if they are good enough to play)

If we, the USA, want to see more players in the NHL then this league NEEDS to be more of an option for our players. And yes, I am a former WHL player that did not go the NCAA route, yes I made it to the NHL, yes I graduated from Collage (attended while playing Maj. Jr. and finished over the next 5 years).

oldschoolpuckster · Post by **oldschoolpuckster** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:06 pm

StreetStix wrote:
oldschoolpuckster wrote:WOW!!

Major Junior =122

NCAA=6

Well, at least you get an education.........
Pretty sure that the majority of college players who are actually NHL-worthy are already drafted. That's why they aren't in the 2012 Draft rankings.

Wouldn't the same be said for Maj. Jr. players as well???? This is for THIS YEARS draft.....

Oldtimehockeyguy23 · Post by **Oldtimehockeyguy23** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:10 pm

oldschoolpuckster wrote:
StreetStix wrote:
oldschoolpuckster wrote:WOW!!

Major Junior =122

NCAA=6

Well, at least you get an education.........
Pretty sure that the majority of college players who are actually NHL-worthy are already drafted. That's why they aren't in the 2012 Draft rankings.
Wouldn't the same be said for Maj. Jr. players as well???? This is for THIS YEARS draft.....

Yeah.... but in college there is almost no one who is draft eligible with so many kids going to the USHL now. In major JUNIORS and USHL JUNIORS there are many draft eligible kids 18 years old or younger. So it's not even fair to rip on the NCAA for this.

warriors41 · Post by **warriors41** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:19 pm

Sats81 wrote:
observer wrote:NHL Midterm Player Draft Rankings

132 BISCHOFF, JAKE GRAND RAPIDS HIGH-MN 5' 11” 178 D
139 JOHNSON, ADAM HIBBING HS HIGH-MN 5' 10" 150 LW
155 MERCHANT, WILL EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 0" 172 LW
159 MAY, ELI EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 1" 190 D
162 OPPERMAN, GRANT BRECK HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 11" 180 RW
174 SAMPAIR, CHARLIE HILL-MURRAY HIGH-MN 6' 0" 180 C
178 OLSON, TREVOR DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 1" 180 RW
198 TONINATO, DOMINIC DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 165 C
199 NANNE, LOUIS EDINA HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 10" 162 LW
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=76670
I'm confused on Nanne...11pts in 15 games? Potentially NHL draft worthy?

To be fair, he is only ranked at #199. Once you get that low you are taking an educated guess. If he was in the top 50 or so, than I would be really confused?

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:27 pm

xy wrote:
Oldtimehockeyguy23 wrote:
Sats81 wrote: I'm confused on Nanne...11pts in 15 games? Potentially NHL draft worthy?
Give it a rest, he is a skilled disciplined team player. Will do well at the next level.

So since it's all about points, would you like the cisar bros. on this list?

No, it's not all about points, and you hate to single out a kid who has had nothing to do with compiling this list . . . but 11 points in 15 games, with five of those points coming in games against Eastview and Holy Angels, both of which are down this year, and a listed size of 5'10", 162? Unless he's playing with an injury and nobody knows about it, that really makes you wonder if the "is your last name the same as a former NHL GM?" factor isn't at play here. It's hard to think a forward who isn't doing more than that offensively in high school is much of a pro prospect - being a skilled, disciplined team player doesn't preclude helping put the puck in the net.

Have to agree here. He has yet to prove himself offensively at the HS level. I realize Edina plays one of the toughest, if not the toughest schedule in the state. However, at the same time when you are 5'10" 162 lbs soaking wet and have already committed to one of the premier college hockey programs in the country as a Junior, albeit, and are in the midseason NHL rankings as a draft prospect, yes, i do expect him to put up better offensive numbers. I realize points aren't all that matters, but nearly EVERY single forward who plays DIV I college hockey and/or some level beyond college produced big numbers offensively as a HS player and/or Junior A player.

You can give me the argument that the Don didn't recruit him bc of his offensive skills and the team needs more 'role' players and 'character' guys who are gonna stick around 4 years and grind on the 3rd and 4th line, but even the guys who play on the 3rd and 4th line for the Don were skilled offensive players at the prior level and all put up very respectable numbers.

In all fairness, I have only seen him play 6 or 7 times in the last 3 years, but he never once stood out to me. I have seen Edina play 3 times this year and in my opinion, he isn't even one of the top 3 players on his own team. Not railing the kid, just looking for some insight from some people who know more about him and the justification for all his attention (other than the obvious fact of his last name).

Sats81 · Post by **Sats81** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:29 pm

warriors41 wrote:
Sats81 wrote:
observer wrote:NHL Midterm Player Draft Rankings

132 BISCHOFF, JAKE GRAND RAPIDS HIGH-MN 5' 11” 178 D
139 JOHNSON, ADAM HIBBING HS HIGH-MN 5' 10" 150 LW
155 MERCHANT, WILL EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 0" 172 LW
159 MAY, ELI EAGAN HIGH-MN 6' 1" 190 D
162 OPPERMAN, GRANT BRECK HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 11" 180 RW
174 SAMPAIR, CHARLIE HILL-MURRAY HIGH-MN 6' 0" 180 C
178 OLSON, TREVOR DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 1" 180 RW
198 TONINATO, DOMINIC DULUTH EAST HIGH-MN 6' 165 C
199 NANNE, LOUIS EDINA HIGH HIGH-MN 5' 10" 162 LW
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=76670
I'm confused on Nanne...11pts in 15 games? Potentially NHL draft worthy?
To be fair, he is only ranked at #199. Once you get that low you are taking an educated guess. If he was in the top 50 or so, than I would be really confused?

True

longdistancespectator8 · Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:35 pm

As keepyourheadup said, look up a list of kids drafted who are under 6 feet. This is just an assumption, but I would be willing to bet that they were all highly touted scorers as youth kids. Its just too easy to find a 6' 2" "team player" over a 5' 10" "team player".

forwards in the NHL under 6 feet:

Mike Comrie:5' 10" as a 17 year old scored 138 points in 58 games in the Alberta junior league
Steve Sullivan: 5' 8" as an 18 year old 63 points in 62 games in the OHL.
Andy Mcdonald:5' 8" 58 points in 34 games his senior year for the Colgate Raiders, went undrafted and has been in the NHL since 2001.
Doug Weight: 5' 11" as an 18 year old had 69 points in 46 games for Lake Superior State.
Darren Helm: 5' 11" as a 19 year old had 79 points in 70 games in the WHL. He is your protypical "team player" in the NHL.
Mark Recchi: 5' 10" as a 16 year old playing in the BCHL he had 65 points in 51 games.
Jeff Skinner: 5' 11" as a 16 year old 97 points in 50 games played in the GTHL.
Jussi Jokinen: 5' 11" an anomaly on this list, played in european professional leagues and scored under a point per game in his career there starting at the age of 17.
Scott Gomez: 5' 11"
Kris Versteeg: 5' 10"
Brian Gionta: 5' 7"as a freshmen fpr Boston College had 62 points in 40 games.
Claude Giroux: 5' 11"
Saku Koivu:5' 10"
Matt Duchene: 5' 11"
Daniel Alfredsson: 5' 11"
Danny Briere: 5' 10" as a 17 year old had 123 points in 72 games in the QMJHL.
Mike Richards: 5' 11"
Henrik Zetterberg: 5' 11"
Martin St. Louis: 5' 7" undrafted had 87 points 31 games playing in the CJHL as a 17 year old.
Pavel Datsyuk: 5' 11"
Patrick Kane: 5' 11"
Syndey Crosby: 5' 11"

Just a quick cursory search for NHLers. Left out statistics for some of the big name guys since I don't believe any MN-High player is challenging to be an NHL superstar this year.

These players came off list for the top 30 NHL players under 6 feet. There is obviously an emphasis on scoring when little guys are considered for the NHL, which makes me question Louie Nanne's name on the list. A guy like Kloos at 5' 9" scoring over 3 points a game seams to resemble the guys on that list a lot more than Nanne statistically speaking. I emphasize that this is not meant to be a shot at Nanne, or an accusation that he is on the list because of his last name. I am simply showing that most of the time players under 6 feet need to be more than a "team player", as was stated earlier, but also put the puck in the net. My favorite example is Darren Helm. He is nothing more than a team player, penalty killer for the Red Wings. Yet, he was drafted 132nd overall, while scoring more than a point per game throughout juniors.

mnhockfan99 · Post by **mnhockfan99** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:51 pm

I think it's important to remember scouting is an inexact science! Ask 10 different teams about a guy and you may get 10 different opinions! I think the guys on the list are all fine players but it is way too early to tell if they have the goods to play in the show!

observer · Post by **observer** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:05 pm

Oldtimehockeyguy23

Is that you Louie?

Gopher Blog · Post by **Gopher Blog** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:44 pm

Sats81 wrote:You can give me the argument that the Don didn't recruit him bc of his offensive skills and the team needs more 'role' players and 'character' guys who are gonna stick around 4 years and grind on the 3rd and 4th line, but even the guys who play on the 3rd and 4th line for the Don were skilled offensive players at the prior level and all put up very respectable numbers.

A number of those guys that are scoring types in HS hockey have a difficult time transitioning to a 3rd or 4th line role in college. Big HS scorers often don't make a smooth transition to a 3rd/4th line role.

Maybe it is a bit smarter to bring in a kid who you know has the characteristics and the capability to fill it well without a problem. Nanne is a kid that skates fast, gets his nose dirty, chips in a little offense, and is a team guy. That is exactly what you want out of a 3rd or 4th line college player.

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