Can we agree that we disagree?
Time will tell if Minnesota made is the real deal or not. Since this is the first year for the Mite program. Give it a chance.
What if a higher percentage of these kids are better developed players when they reach High School? Just like any hockey program. Kids will lose interest and move onto other things.
As far as I'm concerned my son will have fun this winter. He has the past three seasons. I don't see why he wouldn't have fun this year. The best thing about MM. There are 11 other kids from our association playing. So the fun factor will be there. I can promise you they're all excited.
Most parents sign their kids up to play in their associations then off to Spring clinics and Showcase / AAA hockey. What's the difference? Same amount of hours.
Indians forever- I have some new for you. Please sit down. Wayne Gretzky learned hockey through repetition, repetition and repetition. If you read his Bio. He started playing organized hockey two years before he was eligible. He may have done some of it on the pond. Fact is, his dad made him run through tons of drills.
Another interesting point. It has been noted that Wayne never played hockey in the offseason. This is a true fact. His Dad said that he played so much hockey during the winter that he didn't have to play in the Spring, Summer or Fall. He fulfilled his hours on the ice in the winter.
Please quit using Gretzky as an example.
Another thing I find interesting. How come USA hockey isn't dominating the world stage? I'm not being smart. I'm asking a logical question.
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Because we don't know how to train,are there any elite Minnesotans in the NHL?what classifies Elite,how about a 50 pt. season are there any?I'll bet there will be in 5 yrs,Okopso,Mueller,and you can't count Phil Kessel.
and I'm serious if there are or ever have been can someone name them,Neil Broten what was his best season.
and I'm serious if there are or ever have been can someone name them,Neil Broten what was his best season.
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waylon wrote:Because we don't know how to train,are there any elite Minnesotans in the NHL?what classifies Elite,how about a 50 pt. season are there any?I'll bet there will be in 5 yrs,Okopso,Mueller,and you can't count Phil Kessel.
and I'm serious if there are or ever have been can someone name them,Neil Broten what was his best season.
Waylon,
Here are some names and stats I could find..
Neal Broten 1980-1996 9 seasons 50+ points Best Year 85-86' 105 pts
Aaron Broten 1980-1991 5 Seasons 50+ pts Best Year 87-88' 83 Pts
Phil Housley 1982-2002 14 seasons 50+ pts Best year 92-93' 97 pts
Paul Holmgren 1975-1884 2 Seasons 50+ pts Best year 79-80' 65 pts
Mark Johnson 1980-1990 4 seasons 50+ pts Best Yr 83-84' 87pts
Tom Kurvers 1885-1994 3 seasons 50+ pts Best Yr 88-89' 66 pts
Jamie Langenbrunner 1994- 4 seasons 50+ Pts best yr 06-07' 60 pts
Reed Larson 1976-1989 9 seasons 50+ pts Best Yr 82-83' 74 pts
Tommy Williams 1961-1974 3 seasons 50+ pts best yr 69-70 67' Pts
From the stats/ reasearch, I have covered 46 years of NHL hockey and 9 Players make this list!!
There are alot of great names in Minnesota hockey that played NHL. I'm actually surprised by the few players to reach the 50 pt mark in a season.
I'm sure I may of missed a player or two but someone out there will correct me.....
Elite Player
Thank you Boardmember,Is Mark Johnson a native of Minnesota? With all the hockey that has gone on in this state,that list is not very long,I would say a 50 pt. season is a good mark.We should be producing more,is my opinion..That leaves 1 elite player from MN in the NHL,Zach Parise may be the next one.
although there are quite a few good Defenseman
although there are quite a few good Defenseman
new thread
I think we need a new thread on this one...talking Mite hockey and Minnesota's best NHL'ers somehow doesn't connect....
Good luck at MM those who are going, each player takes his own path and nobody has the perfect hockey model of how to build a player..
Good luck at MM those who are going, each player takes his own path and nobody has the perfect hockey model of how to build a player..
Agree, time to let them splash each other, backslap and giggleCan't Never Tried wrote:One more here to agree with Breakout, Indians, and oldtimer... after 20+ years coaching many levels, and extensive involvment in associations, and off season clinics..... Boogey you got some loose screws on your dangler mask...100 hrs of ice for mitesget real..... figure out how many times a week for a hypothetical 5 month season this is.....this is not about a 6 or 7 year olds dream it's yours...so face it, and quit trashing people who know more about this game then you ever gonna keep quiet enough to listen to!
Time to step out of the kiddie pool huh boys?
I get the impression that BoogeyMan was a wannabe that couldn't be.
Time to get away from the psycho-babble..............later
Boogey ChanMan - did the crack on your cranium that occurred when your double bladed skates and kitchen chair failed you at the CCC cause you a permanent lapse of rational thought?
Spend your money anyway you want to. I hope your kid is highly successful, but don't say you appreciate all the work the volunteers and coaches of community associations do but then turn around and mock the leadership of your own association without providing any effort to help improve what you could, but choose not to because it is easier to ridicule them than to lift a finger and create positive change.
Very disingenuous on your part don't you think eh?
So your best effort to improve hockey in this state is to support this MM mite program with your dollars and additionally; through your skating ineptitude, cause a new mandatory helmet rule for all coaches that know their way around the ice but are not good enough to instruct your kid? Does that sum it up??
Well done my friend, well done (so you understand better that was heavy sarcasm)
and your parting salutation of "Peace" is such a bogus facade.
Who you are speaks so loudly I can no longer hear a word your saying (or writing)
PEACE!
Spend your money anyway you want to. I hope your kid is highly successful, but don't say you appreciate all the work the volunteers and coaches of community associations do but then turn around and mock the leadership of your own association without providing any effort to help improve what you could, but choose not to because it is easier to ridicule them than to lift a finger and create positive change.
Very disingenuous on your part don't you think eh?
So your best effort to improve hockey in this state is to support this MM mite program with your dollars and additionally; through your skating ineptitude, cause a new mandatory helmet rule for all coaches that know their way around the ice but are not good enough to instruct your kid? Does that sum it up??
Well done my friend, well done (so you understand better that was heavy sarcasm)
and your parting salutation of "Peace" is such a bogus facade.
Who you are speaks so loudly I can no longer hear a word your saying (or writing)
PEACE!
tomASS- LOL!
Before you start being critical towards people. You better make sure you're talking to the right person.
In my situation. I do appreciate all the volunteer's in our association. I respect the people that take time out of their busy schedule. I can promise you that majority of these people are not trained coaches.
Not that it's your business. But I will try to explain this in a way that even you'll understand.
Association- In our association we happen to pay a lot of money. We pay more money than all the other associations in our district. I'm ok with that as long as our kids are getting more ice time and instruction than the surrounding associations.
I asked our association why we're paying more money? They responded and said that our kids get more ice time. So I did some investigation work. I emailed all the other associations in our district.
I asked the following questions.
How many ice times per year?
How many ice times per week?
How much is the cost?
I found out that we get the same amount of ice time as the other associations. In fact, some of the other associations get more ice time.
When I contacted our association with my findings. They changed their story and said that the reason we pay more is the lack of fundraising and corporate sponsorship. Then of course you always hear the rumors flying.
Keep in mind this has little to do with my decision for my son to skate at MM.
My main factor is the level of instruction. Why would I pay a lot of money. More than any other association in our district to watch the coaches put the kids through drills. The coaches don't even show the kids what they are doing wrong? Right now these kids need to develop their skating skills. Who cares about stick handling and shooting at this young age? Skating, skating and skating is the key to their development.
MM- My son has been in one MM clinic. I was hesitant on signing him up. I heard stories that MM has a strict approach to hockey. We ended up doing the fall pre-tryout clinic last year.
After the last day my son told me that it was the most fun he's had playing hockey. He thanked me for signing him up. That's all I needed to hear.
Like I said, this is none of your business. But I feel I need to stick up for MM.
When I received a flyer from MM. It was a no brainer. I signed my son up to tryout. And he happened to make a team. My son is not an elite skater or advanced Mite. I realize that all the kids learn at different ages. I realize all the kids peak at different ages. I have no plans on him playing hockey longer than he wants to.
I don't know where some of you have the right to label people as aggressive hockey parents. I do agree that some parents in both our association and MM are over the top. But to label someone you don't even know. Isn't cool!
I'm not on here to cause problems. I'm telling everyone my side.
I've never seen a hockey handbook out there that will explain what's best for everyone. Because there isn't one. Who are you to know what's best for my son?
I'm a believer that you need to do what's best for your situation. PLEASE make sure your kids are having fun. That's the most IMPORTANT part.
Keep in mind that I will return to my association next year. Or I might choose to do the MM Mite league one more year. Either way I'll be back.
One last question. I know our association is non-profit. Why does it matter to our association if they lose 12 kids for one year? They base their program on how many kids sign up to play.
Time to relax! This is youth hockey. I'm doing what's best in our situation.
Thanks for the concern.
PEACE!
Before you start being critical towards people. You better make sure you're talking to the right person.
In my situation. I do appreciate all the volunteer's in our association. I respect the people that take time out of their busy schedule. I can promise you that majority of these people are not trained coaches.
Not that it's your business. But I will try to explain this in a way that even you'll understand.
Association- In our association we happen to pay a lot of money. We pay more money than all the other associations in our district. I'm ok with that as long as our kids are getting more ice time and instruction than the surrounding associations.
I asked our association why we're paying more money? They responded and said that our kids get more ice time. So I did some investigation work. I emailed all the other associations in our district.
I asked the following questions.
How many ice times per year?
How many ice times per week?
How much is the cost?
I found out that we get the same amount of ice time as the other associations. In fact, some of the other associations get more ice time.
When I contacted our association with my findings. They changed their story and said that the reason we pay more is the lack of fundraising and corporate sponsorship. Then of course you always hear the rumors flying.
Keep in mind this has little to do with my decision for my son to skate at MM.
My main factor is the level of instruction. Why would I pay a lot of money. More than any other association in our district to watch the coaches put the kids through drills. The coaches don't even show the kids what they are doing wrong? Right now these kids need to develop their skating skills. Who cares about stick handling and shooting at this young age? Skating, skating and skating is the key to their development.
MM- My son has been in one MM clinic. I was hesitant on signing him up. I heard stories that MM has a strict approach to hockey. We ended up doing the fall pre-tryout clinic last year.
After the last day my son told me that it was the most fun he's had playing hockey. He thanked me for signing him up. That's all I needed to hear.
Like I said, this is none of your business. But I feel I need to stick up for MM.
When I received a flyer from MM. It was a no brainer. I signed my son up to tryout. And he happened to make a team. My son is not an elite skater or advanced Mite. I realize that all the kids learn at different ages. I realize all the kids peak at different ages. I have no plans on him playing hockey longer than he wants to.
I don't know where some of you have the right to label people as aggressive hockey parents. I do agree that some parents in both our association and MM are over the top. But to label someone you don't even know. Isn't cool!
I'm not on here to cause problems. I'm telling everyone my side.
I've never seen a hockey handbook out there that will explain what's best for everyone. Because there isn't one. Who are you to know what's best for my son?
I'm a believer that you need to do what's best for your situation. PLEASE make sure your kids are having fun. That's the most IMPORTANT part.
Keep in mind that I will return to my association next year. Or I might choose to do the MM Mite league one more year. Either way I'll be back.
One last question. I know our association is non-profit. Why does it matter to our association if they lose 12 kids for one year? They base their program on how many kids sign up to play.
Time to relax! This is youth hockey. I'm doing what's best in our situation.
Thanks for the concern.
PEACE!
Boogey ChanMan
Incredible
A swing and a miss at the content of the message.
I will have to backtrack on not being able to hear what your saying because your inane logic made me laugh.
"it's none of my business" yet you post your opinions openly .......got a good chuckle out of that one because, "I'm not on here to cause problems. I'm telling everyone my side" which according to you is none of my business.
"Who are you to know what's best for my son? " - my message had no reference what is best for your son. Fact of the matter I wished him success.........I should have added, dispite of his father.
I think you post as a method to convince yourself that you are doing the right thing. I would hope that you have convinced yourself by now
Incredible
A swing and a miss at the content of the message.
I will have to backtrack on not being able to hear what your saying because your inane logic made me laugh.
"it's none of my business" yet you post your opinions openly .......got a good chuckle out of that one because, "I'm not on here to cause problems. I'm telling everyone my side" which according to you is none of my business.
"Who are you to know what's best for my son? " - my message had no reference what is best for your son. Fact of the matter I wished him success.........I should have added, dispite of his father.
I think you post as a method to convince yourself that you are doing the right thing. I would hope that you have convinced yourself by now
[quote="tomASS"]Boogey ChanMan - did the crack on your cranium that occurred when your double bladed skates and kitchen chair failed you at the CCC cause you a permanent lapse of rational thought?
Spend your money anyway you want to. I hope your kid is highly successful, but don't say you appreciate all the work the volunteers and coaches of community associations do but then turn around and mock the leadership of your own association without providing any effort to help improve what you could, but choose not to because it is easier to ridicule them than to lift a finger and create positive change.
Very disingenuous on your part don't you think eh?
So your best effort to improve hockey in this state is to support this MM mite program with your dollars and additionally; through your skating ineptitude, cause a new mandatory helmet rule for all coaches that know their way around the ice but are not good enough to instruct your kid? Does that sum it up??
Well done my friend, well done (so you understand better that was heavy sarcasm)
and your parting salutation of "Peace" is such a bogus facade.
Who you are speaks so loudly I can no longer hear a word your saying (or writing)
PEACE!
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And beleive me readers. This guy TomASS would know what it is like to be disingenuous. And he is a resident expert in how to rip board members behind their back, so listen to his post carefully.
Spend your money anyway you want to. I hope your kid is highly successful, but don't say you appreciate all the work the volunteers and coaches of community associations do but then turn around and mock the leadership of your own association without providing any effort to help improve what you could, but choose not to because it is easier to ridicule them than to lift a finger and create positive change.
Very disingenuous on your part don't you think eh?
So your best effort to improve hockey in this state is to support this MM mite program with your dollars and additionally; through your skating ineptitude, cause a new mandatory helmet rule for all coaches that know their way around the ice but are not good enough to instruct your kid? Does that sum it up??
Well done my friend, well done (so you understand better that was heavy sarcasm)
and your parting salutation of "Peace" is such a bogus facade.
Who you are speaks so loudly I can no longer hear a word your saying (or writing)
PEACE!
[/quote]And beleive me readers. This guy TomASS would know what it is like to be disingenuous. And he is a resident expert in how to rip board members behind their back, so listen to his post carefully.
stopthebs wrote:
And beleive me readers. This guy TomASS would know what it is like to be disingenuous. And he is a resident expert in how to rip board members behind their back, so listen to his post carefully.
ah yes stopthebs- once again providing nothing but genuine fertilizer -
I do not hide behind my moniker, nor am I passive aggressive in regards to what I say to one's face compared what I say when they are not present. I may stab you in the heart with my bluntness but I never will go for the back.
Those that know me, know I am all about full frontal rips and speaking my mind to one's face. I am as easy and as simple to read as Green Eggs and Ham. Not much complexities to my method or hidden items to my agenda.
so stopthebs - keep dumping, I'm sure you will get some yield with what you're spreading.
Rip me all you want, I am ok with it. I prefer to polarize opinion. Life's too short to commit and waste time on people I deem unimportant.
So you can rip me all you want but consider this fair warning.
Take a shot at my kid(s) again (other topic) or my family and the BS will stop
tomASS,
Let's just agree to disagree. I know I'm doing the right thing for my son. There's no question about it.
There are many other's in our association taking the same path.
As far as I know. There are no rules against it. You say it's bad. I say it's good.
I guess time will tell if I'm making the right decision.
Good luck! Go Hawks! (until 2009). Then it will be Go Storm!
PEACE!
Let's just agree to disagree. I know I'm doing the right thing for my son. There's no question about it.
There are many other's in our association taking the same path.
As far as I know. There are no rules against it. You say it's bad. I say it's good.
I guess time will tell if I'm making the right decision.
Good luck! Go Hawks! (until 2009). Then it will be Go Storm!
PEACE!
BoogeyMan wrote:tomASS,
Let's just agree to disagree. I know I'm doing the right thing for my son. There's no question about it.
There are many other's in our association taking the same path.
As far as I know. There are no rules against it. You say it's bad. I say it's good.
I guess time will tell if I'm making the right decision.
Good luck! Go Hawks! (until 2009). Then it will be Go Storm!
PEACE!
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So the Boogeyman is the coach who fell and hit his head on the ice in Chaska? This is why we have the mandatory helmet rule in Minnesota?
Now it makes sense to me.
Boogeyman is ripping the coaching in his association and he was a coach that is not qualified to be on the ice to teach kids the skills the right way.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Now it makes sense to me.
Boogeyman is ripping the coaching in his association and he was a coach that is not qualified to be on the ice to teach kids the skills the right way.
Nothing more needs to be said.
THANK YOU!!!speedskater wrote:So the Boogeyman is the coach who fell and hit his head on the ice in Chaska? This is why we have the mandatory helmet rule in Minnesota?
Now it makes sense to me.
Boogeyman is ripping the coaching in his association and he was a coach that is not qualified to be on the ice to teach kids the skills the right way.
Nothing more needs to be said.
tomASS,
Correct me if I'm wrong. I have a neighbor. He's wondering if he should put his son in the CC United soccer association. After you set me straight about kids playing above their levels in sports. I suggested that he plays in the CAA soccer league. After all, who do these parents think they are to place kids in advanced leagues? I'd hate to see anyone flip flop on sports and think it's ok for one sport and not others.
Please let me know your feelings. I'm sure you agree with me.
CCSC operates independently of the Chanhassen Athletic Association (CAA) and the Chaska Park & Recreational Department under the direction of the CCSC Board and with the help of two employees - one full-time Director of Coaching and one full-time Club Administrator. The Club is a volunteer driven organization where members and players share the workload.
Correct me if I'm wrong. I have a neighbor. He's wondering if he should put his son in the CC United soccer association. After you set me straight about kids playing above their levels in sports. I suggested that he plays in the CAA soccer league. After all, who do these parents think they are to place kids in advanced leagues? I'd hate to see anyone flip flop on sports and think it's ok for one sport and not others.
Please let me know your feelings. I'm sure you agree with me.
CCSC operates independently of the Chanhassen Athletic Association (CAA) and the Chaska Park & Recreational Department under the direction of the CCSC Board and with the help of two employees - one full-time Director of Coaching and one full-time Club Administrator. The Club is a volunteer driven organization where members and players share the workload.
what you or anyone else knowing who I am is suppose to concern me? LOL! Too funny.BoogeyMan wrote:Speedskater- Once again I'm not the person you think I am. You guys crack me up.
tomASS, How's soccer going?
As Popeye would say I yam who I yam..........
what would you like to know?
how my club season went or what the HS team is going to look like or the 12 years of continued work I put into making our community club better even with no children in the club?
I'm sure all the bloggers of this "bored" would be thrilled for a soccer discussion.
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tomASS,
Please explain why 7-8 year old kids shouldn't play advance hockey. But it's acceptable for 7-8 year old kids to play soccer?
Please explain why MM is bad for the kids. But it's ok to pay more money for soccer? What's the difference?
Then to make matters more interesting I find out that you're on the soccer board?
Wow!
I have to meet you someday.
PEACE!
Flip flopper- is a sudden real or apparent change of policy or opinion.
Please explain why 7-8 year old kids shouldn't play advance hockey. But it's acceptable for 7-8 year old kids to play soccer?
Please explain why MM is bad for the kids. But it's ok to pay more money for soccer? What's the difference?
Then to make matters more interesting I find out that you're on the soccer board?
Wow!
I have to meet you someday.
PEACE!
Flip flopper- is a sudden real or apparent change of policy or opinion.
LOL - you haven't a clue about our club soccer structure and the state structure is even more complex. Thank you for thinking CC UNITED is an advance league. If our DOC hears that he will want a raise.BoogeyMan wrote:tomASS,
Correct me if I'm wrong. I have a neighbor. He's wondering if he should put his son in the CC United soccer association. After you set me straight about kids playing above their levels in sports. I suggested that he plays in the CAA soccer league. After all, who do these parents think they are to place kids in advanced leagues? I'd hate to see anyone flip flop on sports and think it's ok for one sport and not others.
Please let me know your feelings. I'm sure you agree with me.
CCSC operates independently of the Chanhassen Athletic Association (CAA) and the Chaska Park & Recreational Department under the direction of the CCSC Board and with the help of two employees - one full-time Director of Coaching and one full-time Club Administrator. The Club is a volunteer driven organization where members and players share the workload.
CC United in soccer is the same level as the Chaska Community Hockey program is for hockey. We actually offer free coaching assistance to the Chaska Community Center Fall program. We offer the same to the CAA but they do not take our offer since then they might feel obligated to provide us more field space in the summer rather than give it to Tonka.
I'm not going to bore the other posters until you do more research and discover for yourself that your comparison is way off......but good effort!
When it comes right down to it - small sided games, pick-up games, and players working on their own is the best development for any soccer player the ages we are talking about. Creating a love for the sport grows the desire. It does not take money and structure to accomplish that
We have a saying in soccer - the game is the teacher, the dirt streets of Brazil and the barren villages of Africa truly bare this out.
I can't believe hockey is any different - child development does not change between sports.
Thought you wanted to agree to disagree and I would agree that you can waste .......sorry spend your money any way you want to.
You might just want to let your arguments go and move on
That is unless you haven't convinced yourself yet?
Explains the incoherent rampling of ChanMan = BoogeyManspeedskater wrote:So the Boogeyman is the coach who fell and hit his head on the ice in Chaska? This is why we have the mandatory helmet rule in Minnesota?
Now it makes sense to me.
Boogeyman is ripping the coaching in his association and he was a coach that is not qualified to be on the ice to teach kids the skills the right way.
Nothing more needs to be said.
The fall created a split personality
Think of those poor kids that were coached by ChanMan = BoogeyMan. Their development was compromised.
I did hear he hit his head hard. Still hoping for a complete recovery?
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As stated before, your facts are gravely erroneous- do more researchBoogeyMan wrote:tomASS,
Please explain why 7-8 year old kids shouldn't play advance hockey. But it's acceptable for 7-8 year old kids to play soccer?
Please explain why MM is bad for the kids. But it's ok to pay more money for soccer? What's the difference?
Then to make matters more interesting I find out that you're on the soccer board?
Wow!
I have to meet you someday.
PEACE!
Flip flopper- is a sudden real or apparent change of policy or opinion.
Did you do as much or more research before going MM??
Mitch - you might as well rename this post