pucks/sticks, what would the old bantam coach bring to the table that the current coach does not? It really seems that this team has not been very competitive for awhile according to some of the posts. It seems that like many other areas players leave MV for other schools . Even if the youth numbers are decent, some of the better players leave and this is what the coaching staff is left to work with. So is it really coaching or talent?
Would players stick around with the old bantam coach? How are the A bantams doing in D2 this season? MV is in a tough conference and section. Maybe some people in the area expect too much out of the current coach? We will see what happens in the next few weeks as the season #1 winds down.
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pucks/sticks
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pucks/sticks, what would the old bantam coach bring to the table that the current coach does not? From the little I know of him one thing would be his intesity for the game. This guys intense and his players really seem to feed of that. #2 From things I've heard is the way he would demand the players to put in work off-ice. Last years bantam team was pushed every practice they knew they had to come to the ice and be ready to work. How would that go over at the high school?
I can't speak for the kids but as a parent I would no question want my kid to play for a guy like this. If the kid respects what this coach does he shows he'll go out off his way. I think over time kids will see this and want to stay. Like you say a few weeks left and we'll see.
I can't speak for the kids but as a parent I would no question want my kid to play for a guy like this. If the kid respects what this coach does he shows he'll go out off his way. I think over time kids will see this and want to stay. Like you say a few weeks left and we'll see.
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Charliedog
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Charliedog, thanks for the info. 2-8-2 in D2 I think is not nearly as good as the A bantam team did last season from what I remember. How that will effect the high school will remain to be seen down the road.
pucks/sticks, is there not off-ice training going on now at the high school and what has the intensity level been like? There are many areas that come into play at the high school level. It does start with organization and then some intensity if it comes from the head coach or an assistant coach, but it is needed.
Is there currently a strong relationship with the youth program and the high school?
pucks/sticks, is there not off-ice training going on now at the high school and what has the intensity level been like? There are many areas that come into play at the high school level. It does start with organization and then some intensity if it comes from the head coach or an assistant coach, but it is needed.
Is there currently a strong relationship with the youth program and the high school?
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mustangman
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Old bantam coach
The old bantam coach is a great guy and works very hard but does not know hockey well enough to coach at the high school level. I know behind the scenes he is politicking for the job which shows me his true colors so to speak. He would be in way over his head at the high school level. He didn't know how to adjust at the bantam level and that is easy compared with high school hockey. Now if you are looking for a good guy that the kids can be buddies with he would be your guy. I enjoyed playing for him but if you think the coaches we have now are bad you would be in for a rude awakening. The grass isn't always greener.
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mustangman
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youth hockey
The youth hockey situation in Mounds View has been bad for many years. We always seem to have people running our association who don't know hockey. the last coach tried to help, he had a great summer program that was grueling. We would weight train for 2 hours a day mon, tues, thurs and friday followed by 2 hours of ice time and plyos. I have never worked so hard in my life. And I know when I was coming thru the program the varsity was always a joke winning like btween 2 and 5 games a year. When coach Nitti took over we got better pretty quick and by the time I was a senior we won 17 games against a very tough schedule. Elk river, edina, wayzata, Blaine Anoka, osseo, maple grove etc. I hope the program turns around soon, but I don't think there is the leadership required to do that. I know if I was coming up right now I wouldn't want to play there. It is a mess, with no end in sight. They should win some of their last few games and really should finish about .500 with the schedule they play now. The section is open for them to win a first round game and that would be a step in the right direction.
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Mustangman I'm a bit confused you say you played with coach Nitti which would mean you never played for coach Thomas. You also say he couldn't adjust to the bantam level but from my understanding they nearly double there wins each of his 3 years there and the last year they won the league championship. When was the last time that was done? You also say he doesn't know hockey well enough to coach at the high school level please explain from what I know he's working at the high school level now. As I've stated in another post I do know a few parents at the program he's at and from what they say the kids really like having him over there. But back to the begining I don't see how you could have played for coach Thomas and as a senior played for coach Nitti time frame doesn't fit. Please correct me if I'm wrong. The other thing is about his true colors, I've talked to him at a couple of the games this year and never made mention to me about wanting to coach at MV. Don't bash a guy you know nothing at all about. Please explain how hes politicing for the job. I think you have a couple of coaches mixed up. You might want to re-think for a bit.
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mustangman
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Re: Old bantam coach
I see you back tracked a bit. Why don't you answer some of the questions from puck/stick? As of now I don't see your words holding much water since you've already been caught laying. Stand behind your comments!mustangman wrote:The old bantam coach is a great guy and works very hard but does not know hockey well enough to coach at the high school level. I know behind the scenes he is politicking for the job which shows me his true colors so to speak. He would be in way over his head at the high school level. He didn't know how to adjust at the bantam level and that is easy compared with high school hockey. Now if you are looking for a good guy that the kids can be buddies with he would be your guy. I enjoyed playing for him but if you think the coaches we have now are bad you would be in for a rude awakening. The grass isn't always greener.
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pucks/sticks
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mustangman, you said the old bantam coach would be good it you wanted a coach to be "buddies" with the players he would be the guy. One thing a good coach today needs to accomplish, is the players have to want to play for you. If you can't jump that hurdle, then it will be a long season. Being their buddy will not work, but creating that environment that will make the kids want to work their tail off for you during good times and bad times is critical. Belive me there will be good times and bad times no matter where you are. It sounds like the old coach was able to make that happen during his time with the MV bantams according to pucks/sticks posts.
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ImissMYhockey
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mvhockey12
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They are already passed that part. If you read, we are now looking at mustangman's mistakes. I understand what mustangman is trying to say and you guys are pressing on him hard. He is just trying to say that the step up from bantam to high school is a hard thing to do, and I would have to agree. It's a completely different level. It's going to take some time for MV for get back to their winning ways and that takes maturing from both kids and coaches. They just need to compromise with each other and eventually it will come together. Hopefully.ImissMYhockey wrote:I was told that for this season that after practice the boys go back to school and do plyos for another hour or so every monday and tuesday. Just letting everyone know.
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The jump from bantams to high school can be a transition. Besides that the guy is already coaching high school hockey. Know I'm not saying it coaching or the players probably a combo of both. Just like fffhockey stated at one time the players and some of the parents would love to see him come back. I don't understand what mustangman is saying, that this guy couldn't adjust to the bantam level? That bantam program improved greatly every year he was there ending it with a league championship that to me sounds like he made adjustments. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying this guys the greatest coach out there. But from the sounds of some of the players and parents he might be able to keep kids around and not leaving the team. Mustangman still waiting to hear back on some of the statements you made.
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ImissMYhockey
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Im glad to hear that the bantam team has had a good couple of years but dont you think that some of the success should contributed to the talent of the players coming through the program. Last years team was very deep in talent and look at this years team, isn't their record 2-8-2. From reading above I take it that this years team is coached by the same coach as the previous years team.pucks/sticks wrote: That bantam program improved greatly every year he was there ending it with a league championship that to me sounds like he made adjustments.
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mvhockey12
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pucks/sticks wrote:The jump from bantams to high school can be a transition. Besides that the guy is already coaching high school hockey. Know I'm not saying it coaching or the players probably a combo of both. Just like fffhockey stated at one time the players and some of the parents would love to see him come back. I don't understand what mustangman is saying, that this guy couldn't adjust to the bantam level? That bantam program improved greatly every year he was there ending it with a league championship that to me sounds like he made adjustments. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying this guys the greatest coach out there. But from the sounds of some of the players and parents he might be able to keep kids around and not leaving the team. Mustangman still waiting to hear back on some of the statements you made.
I for the most part agree with you, but have you ever thought that it may be the name of the school that has a part to do with those kids transferring? I think that the name of Mounds View doesn't get a very good rep because they haven't done very good in many years (mainly meaning in playoffs). Cretin goes to state every year. White Bear and Hill Murray are always in the section championship game. I understand that those kids and their parents want them to go to a prestigious school, but what I don't get is that are they all that blind to see that their chance of going anywhere in hockey is so so so slim?? Mounds View has an amazing school program. They have very smart kids and it is a great school. Hockey shouldn't be the first thing on your mind, especially as a parent. That's just my view.
Nope he left to coach high school hockey.ImissMYhockey wrote:Im glad to hear that the bantam team has had a good couple of years but dont you think that some of the success should contributed to the talent of the players coming through the program. Last years team was very deep in talent and look at this years team, isn't their record 2-8-2. From reading above I take it that this years team is coached by the same coach as the previous years team.pucks/sticks wrote: That bantam program improved greatly every year he was there ending it with a league championship that to me sounds like he made adjustments.
I'm also still waiting to hear back from mustangman on the statements he made. If you want to run from the mouth you better be ready to back it. also answer this, where is your bother playing now JV/V?
The old bantam coach is a great guy and works very hard but does not know hockey well enough to coach at the high school level. Thats funny when you later admit to never even playing for the guy. Then again looks like just another person on here talking about a coach he personally never played for.
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