Minnesota Vikings

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:18 pm

If performances like yesterday's continue, we will start seeing empty seats at the dome. I haven't seen two debacles in a row like that since the gory days of Les Steckel. Packerboy, I could be wrong on this but the reason for the infatuation with the Vikings comes from the fact that they have been Minnesota's most consistent winning team. They've had some lean years, but nothing like the Twins and Timberwolves (or North Stars when they were here). Coupled with the reality that football is America's favorite spectator sport and it makes sense that the Vikings would be the most popular sports team in Minnesota.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:05 am

Chris, I think you are right. No doubt athey have been the areas most consistent team at having winning seasons. They have, until lately, been kind of the Boston Red Sox of football. But it seems to me that the support base and interest is out of wack with what they have done on the field. Even in their "glory years" they couldnt win a championship. Its been over 25 years since the last Super bowl for goodness sakes. But there I was on a beautiful September afternoon. Sitting in front of the TV watching that piece of crap.

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:37 am

Any sports fan in Minnesota who was around in the '70s has a special spot in their heart for the Vikings. Those teams had character and the fact that they couldn't win the big one may actually make people more fanatical about the team, sort of like the Red Sox fans. I'll stick with my earlier explanation for the popularity among younger fans though. I was outside painting my garage on Sunday, but I listened on the radio to the whole disaster. I don't know how much more I can take though.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:34 am

I dont know anything about coaching football. I dont know if this guy is a good coach or not. All I know is that they look poorly coached. Week in and week out, they look like they dont have a clue. They are undisciplined and constantly confused. Pull the trigger Ziggy.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:31 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>They are undisciplined<hr></blockquote> Might be an understatement <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

NPGandyDancer · Post by **NPGandyDancer** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:03 pm

packer. thankfully we have the wild to focus on again. the queens are.....i can't even garner the energy to critique these knuckleheads anymore. and ziggy, he can build the new arena in cloquet for all i care.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:17 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>he can build the new arena in cloquet<hr></blockquote> Does Cloquet need a new arena? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> I'd care if he built a nice one up there, but not one in Elk River. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:06 pm

I dont think they will put anything in Elk River......too much traffic.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:22 am

OK, so now we have a big meeting to have the players tell us why we are losing. Lets have the players tell us what schemes will be effective and what plays to call. I know..... lets talk it out. What do they do in Mankato for month every year? Get rid of this guy.

EREmpireStrikesBack · Post by **EREmpireStrikesBack** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:29 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> I dont think they will put anything in Elk River......too much traffic.<hr></blockquote> Maybe Zygi wants to build an extra lane too. Or we could just schedule all the games for 9 on Friday nights. I hear there isn't much traffic then. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"> Tice is a great position coach, he just isn't a gameplanner and you need that to be a head coach. We need someone new now or this season is a waste just like the last 3. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

NPGandyDancer · Post by **NPGandyDancer** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:30 am

empire. i meant to say stadium. i had ice hockey on the brain when i used arena. and when he builds the damn stadium in cloquet, build it topless. no roof. that's where the queens deserve to play.

Post by **east hockey** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:37 am

Build it topless?? That'd be perfect for Scanlon! Lee ____________ Message Board arsonist since 2005

EREmpireStrikesBack · Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:21 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> empire. i meant to say stadium. i had ice hockey on the brain when i used arena. and when he builds the damn stadium in cloquet, build it topless. no roof. that's where the queens deserve to play.<hr></blockquote> I know man, I just saw it and had to run with it. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> And is that a "zing" for Lee? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

CloquetHockey · Post by **CloquetHockey** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:33 am

Lol Lee! That was hilarious! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Much Love -Cloquet

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:09 pm

I like it. Build a stadium in Elk River and get Zygi to build cloverleafs at all of the intersections on 101/169 to accomodate the traffic. I will sit at home and watch the games but use the new Zygi Expressway to get up to the lake all summer. I like it a lot.

Post by **east hockey** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:24 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Lol Lee! That was hilarious!<hr></blockquote> Which reminds me, Cloquet, is that place still open? Never been there myself <img src="http://www.minnhock.com/biggrin.gif"/> Lee ____________ Message Board arsonist since 2005

Marshalltopper · Post by **Marshalltopper** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:27 pm

I have been there!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"> I have too many guy friends i think! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"> lol

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:36 pm

Well ER, Zygi says he likes Tice for the duration. We will not be getting our wish. I cannot recall a situation where a NFL head coach kept his job when his team was in a complete disfunctional dissary like this team is. The rest of the season should be interesting. I have a bet that no team in our division will win 7 games. Any takers?

EREmpireStrikesBack · Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:55 pm

Bears and whoever their QB is will win 5 and take the division and then go on to win the Super Bowl. They will end up with a sub-.500 record overall and Madden will have a heart attack. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> Elk River AA State Champions- 2001 Boys & 2004 Girls

CloquetHockey · Post by **CloquetHockey** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:39 am

Yes it's still open, I haven't been there yet, I've been invited, but haven't gotten to it yet. Oh well, not like I swing that way anyways. Me and my friends are planning on going on ladie's night, pretty excited about that. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"> Much Love -Cloquet

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:34 pm

packerboy said: "I cannot recall a situation where a NFL head coach kept his job when his team was in a complete disfunctional dissary like this team is." I can't say that I blame you, but you must have erased the godawful Les Steckel era from your mind, packerboy. Here are scores from that awful year: Week | Opponent | Result | Score | +--------+-------------------------------+----------+---------+ | 1 | San Diego Chargers | L | 13-42 | | 2 | at Philadelphia Eagles | L | 17-19 | | 3 | Atlanta Falcons | W | 27-20 | | 4 | at Detroit Lions | W | 29-28 | | 5 | Seattle Seahawks | L | 12-20 | | 6 | at Tampa Bay Buccaneers | L | 31-35 | | 7 | at Los Angeles Raiders | L | 20-23 | | 8 | Detroit Lions | L | 14-16 | | 9 | at Chicago Bears | L | 7-16 | | 10 | Tampa Bay Buccaneers | W | 27-24 | | 11 | at Green Bay Packers | L | 17-45 | | 12 | at Denver Broncos | L | 21-42 | | 13 | Chicago Bears | L | 3-34 | | 14 | Washington Redskins | L | 17-31 | | 15 | at San Francisco 49ers | L | 7-51 | | 16 | Green Bay Packers | L | 14-38 | +--------+-------------------------------+----------+---------+ Those scores look a lot like what we've been going through this season; however, at this point the 1984 team was 2-2. The only defense I can think of for not firing Tice now is that they'll have a better selection of coaches to choose from at the end of the season.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:04 am

I remember. But at least Les established a plan and carried it out. He decided to try to do somehting and did it. It wasnt successful but I dont remember him having a meeting to ask the players what he should do. Hiring consultants after the 4th game? How ridiculous. The other thing Chris, that team had very little talent. Not even close to what they have now. They had better than 3-13 talent but they werent very good. Say, where is old Les these days? Maybe Tice should consult with him.

ChrisK · Post by **ChrisK** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:14 am

Judging by the game scores, the 1984 Vikings packed it in after the win against Tampa in week 10. As I remember it though there was dissension starting in training camp when Steckel tried to be all hardnosed and old school. If my Google searches are correct he's involved with some Christian organization now. Assuming Tice will stay for the year, bringing in consultants isn't a bad idea as it's clear that he's overmatched. If Red had spent the money on decent assistants they might not have this problem--or if he'd spent money on a real head coach for that matter. And packerboy points out Tice's biggest fault, the inconsistent team philosophy, jumping from one plan to another. Maybe Jerry Rhome will get the offense settled but the defense with all the injuries will also need a big tuneup. And this is the kind of thing that should have been settled coming out of training camp.

packerboy · Post by **packerboy** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:58 am

I agree that the guy needs all the help he can get. But if he needs to bring in consultants to run a football team, he shouldnt be in the job he is in. I guess they cant fire him because there is no one else in the orginazation to step in.....or is there? What about looking for an old guy wearing some camouflage and hanging out in a duck blind somewhere? Just like we did in '84. Where have you gone Bud Grant.... a state turns its lonley eyes to you..boo hoo hoo. Come on back Bud......again.

goldy313 · Post by **goldy313** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:58 pm

I too think Tice is overmatched, but old Red left him with his hands tied not paying for good assistants. Loney is a good enough guy, but high school teams have seperate coaches for offensive line and offensive coordinater. I don't know how much Tice has input on the draft, but Spudwell should have his feet held to the fire with the busts he's had lately, especially at his old position. The other thing I have noticed is that the Vikes don't have a young QB, Culpepper has been up and down over the years and this year he's horrible, I'd just like to see a young guy put in there in garbage time and gain some experiance instead of letting Daunte continue to get beat up, or worse pad his stats by tossing a couple TD's against the opponents 3rd stringers and considering that a "moral victory". I hate to say it but the Packers will win the division at 6-10, they're the only team in the division that doesn't quit when their down by 2 scores.

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