A champ vs. AA champ?

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:14 pm

You got it Dickie, aint nothing more to it.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:50 pm

It would be fun to see. And maybe they are the best team that year, but that is a very good point. Wouldn't mean much, but may make a ton of money.

So, about this national championship, how many states actually have more than prep teams? I have from down south that barely know what "ice hockey" is. 'Hockey' to them is field hockey.

WBJG-4-life · Post by **WBJG-4-life** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:55 pm

This would be a fun game to see and watch. "The Underdogs vs. Goliath"
but to be realistic this would NEVER happen. It would develope controversy over what class eachschool should be in and would ultimatley be too hard to organize.

hockeyman11 · Post by **hockeyman11** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:05 pm

I have to agree, AA is the REAL championship, thats why it gets more attention, more people watch it, and thats why its the last game of the tourney. Otherwise they would switch it around.

hockeyoo · Post by **hockeyoo** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:38 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:Read the last post on page one of this thread. I have stayed out of this debate for 4 years it's just time to state the painful truth to you "Class A can be true state champ" people. My kid plays on a Class A team so you guessed it....I watch class A all season long. People like you need to read the whole thread and sometimes other threads to get the full picture before you TRY troll someone. My theme isn't that A is bad hockey, far from it, it's just that the class A champ although very possibly the best team cannot lay claim to the true state champion title because they haven't stepped UP to the plate. Let's just give everybody a medal win, lose or draw By the way Matt Niskanen was noticed way before the State tourney so you gave a really crappy example.

actually i guess that your son played for A when you said "class A can be true state champs" thhhen i guessed you watched class A all season long... but i dont know if YOU know what your saying???

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:48 pm

hockeyoo, re-read the second sentence. Read it slow if you have to. He knows what hes saying.

Dickie Dunn · Post by **Dickie Dunn** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:19 am

READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, EACH POST, SSSLLLOOOWWWLLLYYY AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND. What I find pathetic is how the young people on this board are such poor readers AND writers.

hockey1408 · Post by **hockey1408** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:12 am

you say that more people watch AA then A and one reason that is, is because there are usually more people in the schools, and towns. I just don't think it's fair to say that AA is the true state champions. by saying that it takes away from the pride kids get when they win in A.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:53 am

Although we're talking about hockey, it's easy to argue both ways with a sport that has two classes. Let's go with the extreme of football:

Sure, the 5A champ would beat the 1A chapm 10 times out of 10. Does that mean a state championships in class A isn't worth anything? How bout 2A? 3A? 4A? Where do we draw the line? Sometimes the best team in state is 4A, but never lower. It's a numbers game.

On what hockey1408 said about numbers, totally true. St Thomas gets fans from their school, Visitation, and some even from Cretin. Then from alumni and such. They usually have a decent size fan section. But at the state championship game, I'm sure most of Marshall's school was there and it was tiny compared to STA's. They just don't have the numbers. And in their case, they are a private school so they don't draw on the community. One other thing is that lots of A schools aren't from the city and they can just watch it on TV. Lots of the AA schools are either from the city or have schools that have more kids than the whole community's of the smaller ones. So if East goes, just with students they have more, but they may draw on the community too, since it's a public school.

Dickie Dunn · Post by **Dickie Dunn** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:15 am

hockey1408 wrote: I just don't think it's fair to say that AA is the true state champions. by saying that it takes away from the pride kids get when they win in A.

Pride, your kidding right? Opt up if you want to play for the big boys trophy.

Cold Nights · Post by **Cold Nights** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:20 am

FYI...We get to see this in action on Saturday, December 23 when Cretin-Derham Hall faces off against St. Thomas at 4:30 PM...And the entire metro area will be able to see it because FSN is carrying it on TV.

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:22 am

Dicky aren't you from Warroad? If anyone should opt up its them.

Dickie Dunn · Post by **Dickie Dunn** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:31 am

The theme of the thread is should the Class A and the Class AA play off for the ultimate champion. My take is NO...if you read the previous posts you have my reasons why. Whether the school I watch is A or AA means nothing. The point is if you want to be considered the Champion of MN HS Hockey opt up to AA.

hockeyoo · Post by **hockeyoo** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:20 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:READ THE ENTIRE THREAD, EACH POST, SSSLLLOOOWWWLLLYYY AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND. What I find pathetic is how the young people on this board are such poor readers AND writers.

who says im young dickie dumb...
but now i understand what your saying and i agreed with you before.
pretty pathetic...

but very noble of you.

i think you can see why we were confused

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:00 pm

And when Cretin loses everyone will blame it on Hickey being out, or if he does play, on him not being full strength or something.

I can't think of a sport in the MSHSL where the winner of the second to top class couldn't at least play with the winner of the top class, and in many sports/years beat the winner of the top class. Last year STA showed they could skate with Cretin, actually having I think multiple leads against them.

As I posted in the other thread. In a multiple class system, or even in a one class system, you rank in the state tournament does not make you that placed team in state. And the winner of the top bracket does not make you the best. In many cases they are, but that's not the case. Come on, was GR really the 2nd best team in state last year?!

Dickie Dunn · Post by **Dickie Dunn** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 5:08 pm

hockeyoo wrote:
who says im young dickie dumb...

If not young...then a poor reader and writer you must be a private school product

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:15 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:Come on, was GR really the 2nd best team in state last year?!

What does their frigging trophy say?

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:07 pm

I'm not sure, I would think it said that they got 2nd in the state tournament of 2006. Not that they were the 2nd best team of the 2005-2006 hockey season. Thanks for the caps though, I don't know if I could've read it without them.

hockeyoo · Post by **hockeyoo** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:47 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:
hockeyoo wrote:
who says im young dickie dumb...
If not young...then a poor reader and writer you must be a private school product

and you must be a dad with no life because your n here 24/7
hope your kid does well.

Post by **east hockey** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:54 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:I'm not sure, I would think it said that they got 2nd in the state tournament of 2006. Not that they were the 2nd best team of the 2005-2006 hockey season. Thanks for the caps though, I don't know if I could've read it without them.

Actually, it wasn't caps, it was an enlarged font set in bold-face type.

And I'm sure the folks in Rapids didn't care whether they were considered the second best team in the state last year. They ended up with the second place trophy so that should've been all that mattered, which was a heckuva accomplishment.

Lee

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:59 pm

east hockey wrote:
And I'm sure the folks in Rapids didn't care whether they were considered the second best team in the state last year. They ended up with the second place trophy so that should've been all that mattered, which was a heckuva accomplishment.

Lee

Couldn't have said it better myself.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:02 pm

As much as I don't want to bash Lee, he's taking what I said out of context. Very good accomplishment, I agree. Not second best team in state. And they know it too. That's all I'm saying. Not ripping anyone at all.

boblee · Post by **boblee** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:03 pm

HShockeywatcher wrote:As much as I don't want to bash Lee, he's taking what I said out of context. Very good accomplishment, I agree. Not second best team in state. And they know it too. That's all I'm saying. Not ripping anyone at all.

I don't see why ANYONE from Grand Rapids would agree with you.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:12 pm

upsets are upsets for reasons. You're not convinced, fine. They played better than anyone they played for 5 games straight. Good team.

hockeyoo · Post by **hockeyoo** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:47 am

to say somethin about this poll... i would say any team that went into their sections semi finals from AA could have beat st. thomas last year.

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