A champ vs. AA champ?

GophyFan18 · Post by **GophyFan18** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:41 pm

Who would like to the the state champion of class A play the state champion of class AA for all the marbles?

GophyFan18 · Post by **GophyFan18** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:43 pm

Here's another. How about North Dakota state champ vs. one of the Minnesota champs??

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:01 am

For one, I don't think it should be for all the marbles. As GR showed, anyone can have a good game. St Thomas wasn't the best team in state last year, but if they would've upset Cretin what would that have showed? I don't like the concept, but it would be a cool game.

About other states. I think they should and do it with Wisconsin, Michigan, and North Dakota, so no one has any claim to being better than the state of hockey, as I hear from a couple people I know from Wisconsin.

Premiere10 · Post by **Premiere10** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:49 am

It would be fun to see, but only if the game had little to no meaning. If it was to crown the "ultimate" state champion then no.

With other states that would be awesome I think. I have always wished there was a national championship type deal for high school sports. There are a lot of out-of-state games for teams in basketball and football, e.g. the teams that play on ESPN every once in a while. It would be nice to get a taste of that for hockey.

Premiere10 · Post by **Premiere10** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:59 am

Another interesting idea would be for the AA champ to play the womens D1 college champ. I guarantee you the guys would win a lot. Remember when Warroad played the U.S. Women's Olymipic team? Granted it was a scrimmage and what not, but they technically won, and it was clear they could play with them.

WarroadWarrior · Post by **WarroadWarrior** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:46 am

the warroad USA Womens game was an actual game and counted in the standings for warroad i thought?

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:14 am

Yes it did. Either way you do it it's not a good way to do it. Women don't check, so to have them play with guys isn't fair if you have checking or you don't.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:41 am

Either way it would be really cool. Not every state has hockey, so you do the state champs from all classes in a bracket, you're done in two weeks and the MN teams would probably be playing for the championship if it's seeded right

hipcheck · Post by **hipcheck** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:55 am

If we are looking for ONE Champion(like it used to be) then why not make one tournament(like it used to be). Get the eight A section champs and the eight AA section champs and have a sweet sixteen.

If there are two A teams playing for the title or two AA teams playing for the title, it should be a true state Champion(like it used to be).

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:07 am

We only have ONE tournament now that everyone is invited to. Hence, we only have ONE true state champ.

hockeyoo · Post by **hockeyoo** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:38 am

AA would destroy

beaver16 · Post by **beaver16** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:57 am

in some years it would be a great game but i think there should be a one class system with 16 team field. 8 from north and 8 from south

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:59 am

Where should the Mason/Dixon line be?

MNHighSchoolHockeyGuy · Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:33 pm

I agree with beaver why not just go with one 16 team tournanment?If there is a team that is in class A such as a STA,Warroad or Duluth Marshall that thinks they can win the class A tournament then beat the winner of the AA tournament,they should also feel like they could win one 16 team tournament.I know it will never happen but I would love to see this.

Dickie Dunn · Post by **Dickie Dunn** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:06 pm

Nope and here's why...AA is the true champion because you can CHOOSE to compete in it even if you don't meet the enrollment requirements. The A is played for by strictly enrollment requirements.

That said, because of logistics (location and feasiblity to attend a AA school) there are A players that are top quality players and can form superior A teams. The A tourney gives them a showcase to display their skills. That's it...their schools could have made the leap and competed for the AA if they felt their program was at that level. Sorry guys.

Myself, I'm a purist and would like to see the state restructure the sections into 8 sections without gerrymandering and go back to the one-class. It makes both the sectionals and State more meaningful and Minnesota would have a true hockey champion. You have your Hickory already it's called Roseau.

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:59 pm

You are right saying that A teams do opt up to AA. But there are many teams that would do it if they could opt up one year and then not the next. In 2005, Warroad could've (not saying they would've, but they could've) been the AA champ. But the year after not a chance they could even compete.

That's why people always ignore my comment about A teams opting up. St Thomas could opt up and compete, and so could Marshall. Maybe not in 4 years. They don't have the history or anything, just a group of good players. Not always like Jefferson, WBL, etc. etc.

Dickie Dunn · Post by **Dickie Dunn** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:38 pm

The key word is COULD but they DON'T so without the one-class...the true state champion is the AA champ; simple enough.

State Champ 97 · Post by **State Champ 97** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:43 pm

What if the eventual AA and A champs played each other during the year and the A team won? Wouldn't that make the A team the "true" champ?

Dickie Dunn · Post by **Dickie Dunn** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:00 pm

At the point in time that they play no one has won anything. What if they play twice and the AA gets swept? Same thing. If if's and but's were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas. $\:D/$

hockeyoo · Post by **hockeyoo** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:15 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:The key word is COULD but they DON'T so without the one-class...the true state champion is the AA champ; simple enough.

yes!

hockeyoo · Post by **hockeyoo** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:18 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:At the point in time that they play no one has won anything. What if they play twice and the AA gets swept? Same thing. If if's and but's were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas. $\:D/$

yes!

hockey1408 · Post by **hockey1408** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:25 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:the true state champion is the AA champ; simple enough.

it's not that simple, i think it's pathetic that you are so one sided for AA, yes i will agree that you have very good teams in AA but you have to look at the numbers that they have to choose from. if every team got to pick from the numbers that some AA teams get then it would be easier to have one class. I'll give you a good example about have two classes, two years ago when virginia went to state for the first time with Matt Niskanen, it gave him a chance to show himself off, and if there was only one class then who knows if virginia would have made it. it's not all about what team it the best, it is more about players getting to the next level and having a two class system can give players a better chance of getting noticed. but you could also argue that if they are good enough then they should move to a different school where they will get noticed, but that shouldn't have to happen. I don't think that the teams in AA are that much better then the teams in A. I think you need to open up your mind a little the A teams and watch them play.

nextyear5 · Post by **nextyear5** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:25 pm

The current system is fine and if they did have just one class of teams, there wouldnt be much of a chance for smaller schools to compete on a consistent basis

HShockeywatcher · Post by **HShockeywatcher** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:57 pm

Last year STA played well against both Cretin and Hill Murray, taking one from Hill and only losing by 1 goal each game to Cretin, I think. Cretin won, and Hill could've. No way anyone, not even me, would be fine saying STA was the best team in state last year. Or because the did so well against those two, the 3rd best team? No way.

One thing to remember is that a team can make a good run at the end of the year. They aren't for sure the best team in state, just won the state tournament. If some low seed team makes it out of sections and does well in state it doesn't make them that good. Just like how sometimes the top two teams may be in the same section. Which is why Cretin isn't 1st and St Thomas isn't 1st in their respective classes on PS2.

Dickie Dunn · Post by **Dickie Dunn** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:05 pm

Read the last post on page one of this thread. I have stayed out of this debate for 4 years it's just time to state the painful truth to you "Class A can be true state champ" people. My kid plays on a Class A team so you guessed it....I watch class A all season long. People like you need to read the whole thread and sometimes other threads to get the full picture before you TRY troll someone. My theme isn't that A is bad hockey, far from it, it's just that the class A champ although very possibly the best team cannot lay claim to the true state champion title because they haven't stepped UP to the plate. Let's just give everybody a medal win, lose or draw

By the way Matt Niskanen was noticed way before the State tourney so you gave a really crappy example.

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