AA Rankings for 1/17/09

[schwang17]

bad night at the office for the overrated Hockey watcher. Not only did Osseo lose(#7 is way too high, which I've been saying for weeks), Wayzata(who, in his opinion, had done nothing) just beat Edina 1-0.

I would actually slide Wayzata over Jefferson on my rankings now even with the Jags beating them heads up.

Burnsville is on a tear of late.

[Fire and Ice]

How do you get Benilde so high?

Do you think BSM is better than DE, Centennial, and MG?
I do believe BSM got stomped by Centennial 7-2 if my memory serves me right. They tied Osseo 3-3 who is a bit high at 8. JMO

[HShockeywatcher]

bad night at the office for the overrated Hockey watcher. Not only did Osseo lose(#7 is way too high, which I've been saying for weeks), Wayzata(who, in his opinion, had done nothing) just beat Edina 1-0.

I would actually slide Wayzata over Jefferson on my rankings now even with the Jags beating them heads up.

Burnsville is on a tear of late.

Gee, thanks guys, I love being called overrated, such a compliment. I've never thought too highly of myself, but if I'm overrated, someone must.

I know many use history and prestige and such to influence their rankings, but I instead use the games that have been played.
1. Osseo was on their yesterday because of the games played prior to last night, not last night's game. I would throw them into "the rest" now.

2a.Eagan is in the lake conference and, like everyone in the conference, doesn't have the most difficult schedule with so many conference games.
b. Jefferson is still sitting high in many people's rankings, while Eagan has a better record against common opponents, plus a head to head win.
c. They do not have many very impressive wins, they have beaten AV and BJ, although (unlike most teams) they do not have any hiccups.
d. There is something to be said for winning all the games you should. Their one MSHSL loss is to a top 3 team in state.

3a. Wayzata should crack the top 7, probably #5 ahead of Hill and Eagan.
b. Despite this, they are probably sitting at the #4 seed in 6AA with their loss to Benilde and should stay there with two losses to Tonka.

4. Holy Angels took Hill to OT. This, to me, shows that Holy Angels is probably sitting near the top of "the rest" and, while a top team, Hill hasn't proven with their wins to be a dominant team.

5. Although there is a head to head loss, Edina should fall relative to the state with losses.

My top 13:
1. Tonka
2. Eden Prairie
3. Edina
4. Blaine
5. Wayzata
6. Hill Murray
7. Eagan
gets a tad bit muddy here imo
8. Elk River
9. Duluth East
10. Holy Angels
11. Jefferson
12. Roseau
13. Apple Valley

Let the criticism and rude comments for having an opinion fly

[Pioneerprideguy]

I think you should focus oin the JV teams & leave the big boys to Karl.

[toptitty96]

bad night at the office for the overrated Hockey watcher. Not only did Osseo lose(#7 is way too high, which I've been saying for weeks), Wayzata(who, in his opinion, had done nothing) just beat Edina 1-0.

I would actually slide Wayzata over Jefferson on my rankings now even with the Jags beating them heads up.

Burnsville is on a tear of late.

Gee, thanks guys, I love being called overrated, such a compliment. I've never thought too highly of myself, but if I'm overrated, someone must.

I know many use history and prestige and such to influence their rankings, but I instead use the games that have been played.
1. Osseo was on their yesterday because of the games played prior to last night, not last night's game. I would throw them into "the rest" now.

2a.Eagan is in the lake conference and, like everyone in the conference, doesn't have the most difficult schedule with so many conference games.
b. Jefferson is still sitting high in many people's rankings, while Eagan has a better record against common opponents, plus a head to head win.
c. They do not have many very impressive wins, they have beaten AV and BJ, although (unlike most teams) they do not have any hiccups.
d. There is something to be said for winning all the games you should. Their one MSHSL loss is to a top 3 team in state.

3a. Wayzata should crack the top 7, probably #5 ahead of Hill and Eagan.
b. Despite this, they are probably sitting at the #4 seed in 6AA with their loss to Benilde and should stay there with two losses to Tonka.

4. Holy Angels took Hill to OT. This, to me, shows that Holy Angels is probably sitting near the top of "the rest" and, while a top team, Hill hasn't proven with their wins to be a dominant team.

5. Although there is a head to head loss, Edina should fall relative to the state with losses.

My top 13:
1. Tonka
2. Eden Prairie
3. Edina
4. Blaine
5. Wayzata
6. Hill Murray
7. Eagan
gets a tad bit muddy here imo
8. Elk River
9. Duluth East
10. Holy Angels
11. Jefferson
12. Roseau
13. Apple Valley

Let the criticism and rude comments for having an opinion fly

Not quite sure a game between the 11 and 13 teams should end in a score of 10-3 like it did. And when you argue so hard that Eagan should be above Jefferson because they beat them head to head, why shouldn't Jefferson be above Wayzata? Eagan does have a better record against common opponents because of the Lakeville North game, but if you look at goal differential against common opponents I'm sure Jefferson would look the far better team. You can argue all you want about Eagan, but they got completely exposed against EP. Not too bad, though. You're entitled to an opinion and I respect that. I'm pretty biased myself but I try to keep it to a minimum on the forum.

This is how I would rank a top 13
1.Tonka
2.EP
3.Cake
4.Blaine
5.Wayzata
6.Hill
7.Jefferson (OHH I KNOW )
8.AHA..they look good right now; we'll see
9.Eagan..just for HSHW
10.East
11.BSM
12.Roseau
13.Osseo?
(7-12 are pretty impossible to rank right now. Certain games would indicate different orders, but teams are too up and down and I don't wanna do too much research right now so I'm going on how talented I feel the teams are and how good they can and will be.)
Then AV, ER, Burnsville fit in somewhere I guess. Centennial too, I think they're good but too inconsistent.

I'm not the best at ranking teams, but I took a whack at it.

[HockeyMN1]

The rankings are starting to get hard. You could make a case for like 9 or 10 teams to be in the 6-9 slots.

[karl(east)]

The rankings are starting to get hard. You could make a case for like 9 or 10 teams to be in the 6-9 slots.

They definitely are. I think the top 6 have created some separation from the rest, but beyond that...it'll be an adventure on Saturday night, to say the least.

[HShockeywatcher]

bad night at the office for the overrated Hockey watcher. Not only did Osseo lose(#7 is way too high, which I've been saying for weeks), Wayzata(who, in his opinion, had done nothing) just beat Edina 1-0.

I would actually slide Wayzata over Jefferson on my rankings now even with the Jags beating them heads up.

Burnsville is on a tear of late.

Gee, thanks guys, I love being called overrated, such a compliment. I've never thought too highly of myself, but if I'm overrated, someone must.

I know many use history and prestige and such to influence their rankings, but I instead use the games that have been played.
1. Osseo was on their yesterday because of the games played prior to last night, not last night's game. I would throw them into "the rest" now.

2a.Eagan is in the lake conference and, like everyone in the conference, doesn't have the most difficult schedule with so many conference games.
b. Jefferson is still sitting high in many people's rankings, while Eagan has a better record against common opponents, plus a head to head win.
c. They do not have many very impressive wins, they have beaten AV and BJ, although (unlike most teams) they do not have any hiccups.
d. There is something to be said for winning all the games you should. Their one MSHSL loss is to a top 3 team in state.

3a. Wayzata should crack the top 7, probably #5 ahead of Hill and Eagan.
b. Despite this, they are probably sitting at the #4 seed in 6AA with their loss to Benilde and should stay there with two losses to Tonka.

4. Holy Angels took Hill to OT. This, to me, shows that Holy Angels is probably sitting near the top of "the rest" and, while a top team, Hill hasn't proven with their wins to be a dominant team.

5. Although there is a head to head loss, Edina should fall relative to the state with losses.

My top 13:
1. Tonka
2. Eden Prairie
3. Edina
4. Blaine
5. Wayzata
6. Hill Murray
7. Eagan
gets a tad bit muddy here imo
8. Elk River
9. Duluth East
10. Holy Angels
11. Jefferson
12. Roseau
13. Apple Valley

Let the criticism and rude comments for having an opinion fly

Not quite sure a game between the 11 and 13 teams should end in a score of 10-3 like it did. And when you argue so hard that Eagan should be above Jefferson because they beat them head to head, why shouldn't Jefferson be above Wayzata? Eagan does have a better record against common opponents because of the Lakeville North game, but if you look at goal differential against common opponents I'm sure Jefferson would look the far better team. You can argue all you want about Eagan, but they got completely exposed against EP. Not too bad, though. You're entitled to an opinion and I respect that. I'm pretty biased myself but I try to keep it to a minimum on the forum.

This is how I would rank a top 13
1.Tonka
2.EP
3.Cake
4.Blaine
5.Wayzata
6.Hill
7.Jefferson (OHH I KNOW )
8.AHA..they look good right now; we'll see
9.Eagan..just for HSHW
10.East
11.BSM
12.Roseau
13.Osseo?
(7-12 are pretty impossible to rank right now. Certain games would indicate different orders, but teams are too up and down and I don't wanna do too much research right now so I'm going on how talented I feel the teams are and how good they can and will be.)
Then AV, ER, Burnsville fit in somewhere I guess. Centennial too, I think they're good but too inconsistent.

I'm not the best at ranking teams, but I took a whack at it.

toptitty96,

Thanks for your comments. Couple responses:
1. My biggest point is that I value margin of victory very little. Based on the scores of their game, the two teams in question, Eagan and Jefferson, Eagan is a defensive team while Jefferson is an offensive team. So, Jefferson beats a team 10-3 and Eagan beats them 2-0. Who did better? Who knows?

2. Yes, I would put Eagan above Jefferson, because not only have they beaten Jefferson, but they have only lost to a top 3 team. If Jefferson's only loss was in OT to Eagan, I would probably put them above Eagan with the Wayzata win. But that's not the case, they not only lost to Eagan, but they lost to a team not even in the discussion for top 25.

3. Class A analogy: top 7ish TRF got clobbered by H'town. H'town is top 3. I really don't think margin of victory matters much in a win by a better team. Yes, I agree it seems odd, but it shouldn't matter. Again, those teams beyond my top 7 can really go almost anyway, I just like those top ones the most from what I've seen.

[Papa Bergundy]

What do people think now that Wayzata has beat Edina again this week? Besides Tonka I think everyone was putting Edina as the hottest team in the state and the Trojans weren't getting the respect of everyone on this board. So I'm curious where people think Edina and Wayzata will go respectively in the rankings this coming week. Sounds like a tough project to me...

[HockeyMN1]

HSHW, here's one reason everybody's putting Jefferson above Eagan: Jefferson is a better hockey team than Eagan.

[HShockeywatcher]

HSHW, here's one reason everybody's putting Jefferson above Eagan: Jefferson is a better hockey team than Eagan.

That may be so, but the results of their games don't show that.

It is very possible that Minnetonka is not the best team in state, but they have won all of their games. Jefferson may have the best collection of players, and may even win state, but the results of the games they've played thus far along with the opponents they've faced does not make them a top team.

Personally, I doubt that Eagan is either. They will probably make it to state and go 1-2 or 0-2. That being said, not only is their only loss to a top three team, but (unlike all but maybe 5 good teams in the state) they do not have silly losses.

[HappyHockeyFan]

HSHW, here's one reason everybody's putting Jefferson above Eagan: Jefferson is a better hockey team than Eagan.

That may be so, but the results of their games don't show that.

It is very possible that Minnetonka is not the best team in state, but they have won all of their games. Jefferson may have the best collection of players, and may even win state, but the results of the games they've played thus far along with the opponents they've faced does not make them a top team.

Personally, I doubt that Eagan is either. They will probably make it to state and go 1-2 or 0-2. That being said, not only is their only loss to a top three team, but (unlike all but maybe 5 good teams in the state) they do not have silly losses.

So tell me this, if Eagan beats EP next Tuesday will it be considered a fluke or an off game by EP or will it be considered a good win. I mean it is possible that the 7-1 loss was just an off game by Eagan. Just curious.

[HShockeywatcher]

HSHW, here's one reason everybody's putting Jefferson above Eagan: Jefferson is a better hockey team than Eagan.

That may be so, but the results of their games don't show that.

It is very possible that Minnetonka is not the best team in state, but they have won all of their games. Jefferson may have the best collection of players, and may even win state, but the results of the games they've played thus far along with the opponents they've faced does not make them a top team.

Personally, I doubt that Eagan is either. They will probably make it to state and go 1-2 or 0-2. That being said, not only is their only loss to a top three team, but (unlike all but maybe 5 good teams in the state) they do not have silly losses.

So tell me this, if Eagan beats EP next Tuesday will it be considered a fluke or an off game by EP or will it be considered a good win. I mean it is possible that the 7-1 loss was just an off game by Eagan. Just curious.

Not so simple:

1. Eagan probably won't win.

2. If they do, it'll be by a small margin. Which would mean the huge margin was an off game, but not the win. (Warroad beat TRF at home, TRF won at home)

3. If by chance EP has an off game and loses by 10+ goals (which won't happen) well, then maybe Eagan is the best team in state after all

In conclusion, I don't think the result of this game will mean much. EP's the better team and should win. Losing to a better team twice doesn't suddenly mean you're worse than thought of before.

[HappyHockeyFan]

That may be so, but the results of their games don't show that.

It is very possible that Minnetonka is not the best team in state, but they have won all of their games. Jefferson may have the best collection of players, and may even win state, but the results of the games they've played thus far along with the opponents they've faced does not make them a top team.

Personally, I doubt that Eagan is either. They will probably make it to state and go 1-2 or 0-2. That being said, not only is their only loss to a top three team, but (unlike all but maybe 5 good teams in the state) they do not have silly losses.

So tell me this, if Eagan beats EP next Tuesday will it be considered a fluke or an off game by EP or will it be considered a good win. I mean it is possible that the 7-1 loss was just an off game by Eagan. Just curious.

Not so simple:

1. Eagan probably won't win.

2. If they do, it'll be by a small margin. Which would mean the huge margin was an off game, but not the win. (Warroad beat TRF at home, TRF won at home)

3. If by chance EP has an off game and loses by 10+ goals (which won't happen) well, then maybe Eagan is the best team in state after all

In conclusion, I don't think the result of this game will mean much. EP's the better team and should win. Losing to a better team twice doesn't suddenly mean you're worse than thought of before.

Fair enough answer...I will agree EP is better but I also believe the separation between Eagan and EP is not as much as some would like to believe. However, if the score should be similar to the first game in the second game then I will have no choice but to reconsider that. Next question...Would a loss to Eagan be considered a bad loss for EP, how much would it affect their ranking?

[HShockeywatcher]

So tell me this, if Eagan beats EP next Tuesday will it be considered a fluke or an off game by EP or will it be considered a good win. I mean it is possible that the 7-1 loss was just an off game by Eagan. Just curious.

Not so simple:

1. Eagan probably won't win.

2. If they do, it'll be by a small margin. Which would mean the huge margin was an off game, but not the win. (Warroad beat TRF at home, TRF won at home)

3. If by chance EP has an off game and loses by 10+ goals (which won't happen) well, then maybe Eagan is the best team in state after all

In conclusion, I don't think the result of this game will mean much. EP's the better team and should win. Losing to a better team twice doesn't suddenly mean you're worse than thought of before.

Fair enough answer...I will agree EP is better but I also believe the separation between Eagan and EP is not as much as some would like to believe. However, if the score should be similar to the first game in the second game then I will have no choice but to reconsider that. Next question...Would a loss to Eagan be considered a bad loss for EP, how much would it affect their ranking?

I would personally say a close loss puts them around 4 or 5. Thus far they have no no hiccups. I don't think a close loss says Eagan is better, just they had an off game.

[FREDFLINTSTONE]

So tell me this, if Eagan beats EP next Tuesday will it be considered a fluke or an off game by EP or will it be considered a good win. I mean it is possible that the 7-1 loss was just an off game by Eagan. Just curious.

Not so simple:

1. Eagan probably won't win.

2. If they do, it'll be by a small margin. Which would mean the huge margin was an off game, but not the win. (Warroad beat TRF at home, TRF won at home)

3. If by chance EP has an off game and loses by 10+ goals (which won't happen) well, then maybe Eagan is the best team in state after all

In conclusion, I don't think the result of this game will mean much. EP's the better team and should win. Losing to a better team twice doesn't suddenly mean you're worse than thought of before.

Fair enough answer...I will agree EP is better but I also believe the separation between Eagan and EP is not as much as some would like to believe. However, if the score should be similar to the first game in the second game then I will have no choice but to reconsider that. Next question...Would a loss to Eagan be considered a bad loss for EP, how much would it affect their ranking?

This ranking thing is very important to Mr. Happy. I think all polls should rank Eagan first because than Mr. Happy can be happy. Just for your information, this EP team looks at any loss as a "bad" loss.

[schwang17]

Gee, thanks guys, I love being called overrated, such a compliment. I've never thought too highly of myself, but if I'm overrated, someone must.

as usual, you nailed it right on the head.

[HockeyMN1]

jeez now the two biggest Eagan fans here are arguing with each other