Question on school classification?

[BadgerBob82]

goldy: I agree other sports would need their own rules. Especially when looking at sports with many class levels. With 2 classes, hockey would be easy. And I agree with you on Lourdes, but I doubt you'd have players leaving the public schools for an even weaker class A tournament. It's bad enough now, but they do it because of the strong metro (private) teams. (And Warroad?)

There is no doubt Lourdes is the best Class A hockey program in Rochester. Remains to be seen if they could actually beat the public schools though.

[hockeydad]

I don't think it was accurate to say it was "abused" in wrestling. Rather, it affected more schools in wrestling. The move to go back to total enrollment was led by a contingent in south central minnesota - especially Blue Earth. They were stuck in a very strong AA section with Scott West. The change put them in Class A instead. Ironically, the decision led to one fewer sport choice for Blue Earth athletes. They were part of a multi school coop for hockey with Fairmont. The program would have been forced to go AA, but they went back to A by dropping Blue Earth.

[MHGr8ness]

I'm talking about squirts, peewees, bantams, etc. I just don't like forming all-star teams. Even if they're formed in publics. I think it's wrong to leave your school and friends. Don't be a sellout.

That all sounds great except if your Dad and his Dad and his Dad went to Cretin or St. Thomas. Little Mario might just be expected to also. Privates aren't allowed by Minnesota Hockey to have A level youth programs, so they can't "build their own". Kids enroll, and the schools make their choices. What would you have them do?

Either way they don't produce them themselves. By the way, Little Mario goes to Wayzata and if they have different rules and regulations then they should only compete with other teams that have the same rules and regulations. Only making things fair

[MHGr8ness]

If you live in MPLS Southwest's district and are good at basketball, but want to apply for MPLS Washburn's (or North or Henry) magnet program, you can do so. You can also play basketball for them, if you make the team. The program doesn't need to move up a class, in fact, because of free/reduced lunch they may move down even though you were "drawn" to their program.

If you live in MPLS Southwest's district and are good at hockey, but want to apply for admission to The Blake School, you can do so. You can also play hockey for them, if you make the team. This program for some reason under these new "guidelines" needs to move up a class because you were "drawn" to them.

Not true. They do not have to accept any from outside their district. Many do not.

Name one.

No, really. Name ONE.

Hermantown.

I'm talking about squirts, peewees, bantams, etc. I just don't like forming all-star teams. Even if they're formed in publics. I think it's wrong to leave your school and friends. Don't be a sellout.

As am I. You can attend a private kindergarten, elementary school, middle school and all the while play on the squirt, peewee and bantam teams for the CITY you live in. Just like your teammates, when you go to high school (and no longer playing bantams) you are then playing for your high school's team.

Weren't you "out" awhile ago? and you're still leaving the association you grew up playing for and the kids/friends/teammates. You're really comparing hockey to basketball???

[HShockeywatcher]

I'm talking about squirts, peewees, bantams, etc. I just don't like forming all-star teams. Even if they're formed in publics. I think it's wrong to leave your school and friends. Don't be a sellout.

That all sounds great except if your Dad and his Dad and his Dad went to Cretin or St. Thomas. Little Mario might just be expected to also. Privates aren't allowed by Minnesota Hockey to have A level youth programs, so they can't "build their own". Kids enroll, and the schools make their choices. What would you have them do?

Either way they don't produce them themselves. By the way, Little Mario goes to Wayzata and if they have different rules and regulations then they should only compete with other teams that have the same rules and regulations. Only making things fair

Eden Prairie High School did not produce the athletes that attend their school either, nor did Warroad, Hibbing, Mahtomedi, nor any other high school for that matter.

So by what you're saying private schools only play private schools, public schools who accept only enrollments only compete against public schools who accept open enrollments, co-op schools only compete against co-op school, and schools who didn't accept open enrolled students only compete against schools who didn't accept open enrolled students?

By my count that's 4 classes...did I miss any?

[HShockeywatcher]

Weren't you "out" awhile ago? and you're still leaving the association you grew up playing for and the kids/friends/teammates. You're really comparing hockey to basketball???

Every hockey player has to leave the "association [they] grew up playing for" after 9th grade...that's when the city associations end. I know I didn't grow up playing hockey, so correct me if I'm wrong here.

Oh my bad, I forgot "hockey's different"

[MHGr8ness]

That all sounds great except if your Dad and his Dad and his Dad went to Cretin or St. Thomas. Little Mario might just be expected to also. Privates aren't allowed by Minnesota Hockey to have A level youth programs, so they can't "build their own". Kids enroll, and the schools make their choices. What would you have them do?

Either way they don't produce them themselves. By the way, Little Mario goes to Wayzata and if they have different rules and regulations then they should only compete with other teams that have the same rules and regulations. Only making things fair

Eden Prairie High School did not produce the athletes that attend their school either, nor did Warroad, Hibbing, Mahtomedi, nor any other high school for that matter.

So by what you're saying private schools only play private schools, public schools who accept only enrollments only compete against public schools who accept open enrollments, co-op schools only compete against co-op school, and schools who didn't accept open enrolled students only compete against schools who didn't accept open enrolled students?

By my count that's 4 classes...did I miss any?

The majority of their players played for their youth teams, though. They may have gotten outside help, but they could potentially have lost players, as well. Making things even... no advantage. Needing to co-op is a disadvantage... no advantage there either. So just two. Unless you think privates don't have any advantages. Which would make sense because it's not like 6 of the top 7 in class A are privates. Oh wait, yes they are!

[HShockeywatcher]

Either way they don't produce them themselves. By the way, Little Mario goes to Wayzata and if they have different rules and regulations then they should only compete with other teams that have the same rules and regulations. Only making things fair

Eden Prairie High School did not produce the athletes that attend their school either, nor did Warroad, Hibbing, Mahtomedi, nor any other high school for that matter.

So by what you're saying private schools only play private schools, public schools who accept only enrollments only compete against public schools who accept open enrollments, co-op schools only compete against co-op school, and schools who didn't accept open enrolled students only compete against schools who didn't accept open enrolled students?

By my count that's 4 classes...did I miss any?

The majority of their players played for their youth teams, though. They may have gotten outside help, but they could potentially have lost players, as well. Making things even... no advantage. Needing to co-op is a disadvantage... no advantage there either. So just two. Unless you think privates don't have any advantages. Which would make sense because it's not like 6 of the top 7 in class A are privates. Oh wait, yes they are!

Wouldn't be if opting up wasn't allowed

No, I won't disagree that they have advantages. Playing hockey is an economic sport. With a few exceptions, every ranked hockey team in both classes is either private, from an affluent area, or in a community where hockey is a huge part of the community. "Hockey's different," right?

Private schools, in general, have a higher popular of more affluent families, I would guess. Hockey takes money, more than any other sport.

[MHGr8ness]

Eden Prairie High School did not produce the athletes that attend their school either, nor did Warroad, Hibbing, Mahtomedi, nor any other high school for that matter.

So by what you're saying private schools only play private schools, public schools who accept only enrollments only compete against public schools who accept open enrollments, co-op schools only compete against co-op school, and schools who didn't accept open enrolled students only compete against schools who didn't accept open enrolled students?

By my count that's 4 classes...did I miss any?

The majority of their players played for their youth teams, though. They may have gotten outside help, but they could potentially have lost players, as well. Making things even... no advantage. Needing to co-op is a disadvantage... no advantage there either. So just two. Unless you think privates don't have any advantages. Which would make sense because it's not like 6 of the top 7 in class A are privates. Oh wait, yes they are!

Wouldn't be if opting up wasn't allowed

No, I won't disagree that they have advantages. Playing hockey is an economic sport. With a few exceptions, every ranked hockey team in both classes is either private, from an affluent area, or in a community where hockey is a huge part of the community. "Hockey's different," right?

Private schools, in general, have a higher popular of more affluent families, I would guess. Hockey takes money, more than any other sport.

They wouldn't have to opt up if they were already forced up! So yes it is different then. I think we agree now at least somewhat

[HShockeywatcher]

They wouldn't have to opt up if they were already forced up! So yes it is different then. I think we agree now at least somewhat

You think there are certain public schools who should be "forced up"? Interesting

[MHGr8ness]

They wouldn't have to opt up if they were already forced up! So yes it is different then. I think we agree now at least somewhat

You think there are certain public schools who should be "forced up"? Interesting

I meant private. I'm not sure what I said. I think that you shouldn't be allowed to opt up because class is based off of enrollment, not skill. It just usually turns out that bigger enrollment usually equals better competition.

[HShockeywatcher]

They wouldn't have to opt up if they were already forced up! So yes it is different then. I think we agree now at least somewhat

You think there are certain public schools who should be "forced up"? Interesting

I meant private. I'm not sure what I said. I think that you shouldn't be allowed to opt up because class is based off of enrollment, not skill. It just usually turns out that bigger enrollment usually equals better competition.

As I said, if schools weren't allowed to opt up, and our class system were based on enrollment, the top teams wouldn't all be private...and we'd have a different #1. But that's a different discussion.

[some] Private schools are good at hockey because of the students who attend their school, as are the public schools who are good at hockey.

As before, I'm out. Have a good night.

[MHGr8ness]

You think there are certain public schools who should be "forced up"? Interesting

I meant private. I'm not sure what I said. I think that you shouldn't be allowed to opt up because class is based off of enrollment, not skill. It just usually turns out that bigger enrollment usually equals better competition.

As I said, if schools weren't allowed to opt up, and our class system were based on enrollment, the top teams wouldn't all be private...and we'd have a different #1. But that's a different discussion.

[some] Private schools are good at hockey because of the students who attend their school, as are the public schools who are good at hockey.

As before, I'm out. Have a good night.

True. The problem was where and how they are obtained, but we're settled now