Question on school classification?

[paulsonj72]

Why is Le Seuer-Henderson, etc. classified as a Class A school. After adding all the enrollments together they come to 1364(or so) which is above the 1342 mark the MSHSL has as the the minimum for class AA. I saw a couple of years ago THEY WERE a AA school and am wondering why they are now a Class A School.

[PuckU126]

Why is Le Seuer-Henderson, etc. classified as a Class A school. After adding all the enrollments together they come to 1364(or so) which is above the 1342 mark the MSHSL has as the the minimum for class AA. I saw a couple of years ago THEY WERE a AA school and am wondering why they are now a Class A School.

Their team is not strong enough to perform successfully on the Class AA level is my guess. Some schools can opt down to give their program a better chance to compete.

[hockeydad]

They asked for and were allowed to opt down because one of the schools (Le Center) had only one player and they were so close to the cutoff. This had not been an issue until a few years ago when they added Montgomery-Lonsdale to the co-op. When they added ML, they did play in Class AA for one season. If memory serves correct, they orginally were supposed to play in 2AA after the last realignment. The league does not normally allow teams to "opt-down" but I believe they made a good decision in this case.

[paulsonj72]

Figured it had to do with a small number of players from one of the schools. Also actually Montgomery-Lonsdale is closer to New Prauge but adding their enrollment to New Prauge also would put them in AA.

[HShockeywatcher]

Figured it had to do with a small number of players from one of the schools. Also actually Montgomery-Lonsdale is closer to New Prauge but adding their enrollment to New Prauge also would put them in AA.

Does anyone know where you can find a list of how many players come from each school in a co-op?

[WB6162]

Why is Le Seuer-Henderson, etc. classified as a Class A school. After adding all the enrollments together they come to 1364(or so) which is above the 1342 mark the MSHSL has as the the minimum for class AA. I saw a couple of years ago THEY WERE a AA school and am wondering why they are now a Class A School.

Their team is not strong enough to perform successfully on the Class AA level is my guess. Some schools can opt down to give their program a better chance to compete.

I thought Class A was for Breck and St Thomas. You mean there are other teams in Class A?

[Farmland]

From what I've read. The top 125 high school enrollments are Class AA schools. The rest are A. There is a statistical break line around 12 or 1300 students. Those in that pool are reviewed for A or AA.

[hockeydad]

Actually, the Class AA criteria for boys hockey is the largest 64 teams by enrollment (eight schools per eight sections), plus opt-ups.

[HShockeywatcher]

They asked for and were allowed to opt down because one of the schools (Le Center) had only one player and they were so close to the cutoff. This had not been an issue until a few years ago when they added Montgomery-Lonsdale to the co-op. When they added ML, they did play in Class AA for one season. If memory serves correct, they orginally were supposed to play in 2AA after the last realignment. The league does not normally allow teams to "opt-down" but I believe they made a good decision in this case.

I ask my previous question, not only because I would be curious to know but, because it really seems like splitting hairs to me.

What's the next step, only counting the enrollment of those who participate in extracurricular activities at the school? There was a discussion earlier in the year about co-ops that seemed to be divided pretty evenly down the middle about where they should be.

[formerlybackofnet]

I'm pretty sure there is somthing in the rules that allow a larger school to opt down if they have a certin percentage of students on a assisted meal program. This is how the MSHSL accounts for demographics.

[HShockeywatcher]

I'm pretty sure there is somthing in the rules that allow a larger school to opt down if they have a certin percentage of students on a assisted meal program. This is how the MSHSL accounts for demographics.

A student on a free or reduced lunch plan counts as 40% of a student in the actual count; not optional. This is reflected in the number the MSHSL reports on the website.

This is why 5 of the 7 MPLS schools are playing AAA football, for example.

[Throwback]

So if you’re on free or reduced lunch, your only 40% as good of an athlete?

[old goalie85]

That makes no sense. Think about all sports. Football, Basketball, Track. Wow stupid.

[HShockeywatcher]

So if you’re on free or reduced lunch, your only 40% as good of an athlete?

No; you're much less likely to participate in sports. My opinion is that the enrollment is a reflection of available students to draw from. Right or wrong, the MSHSL has determined that those who have less means have less ability to participate (my interpretation) and therefore count as 40% of someone who has more means. Personally, I think it's a great idea, although I think it's silly they recognize this, but not that if you need 7 schools to co-op together to have enough to keep a program alive that you shouldn't be in the top class...

That makes no sense. Think about all sports. Football, Basketball, Track. Wow stupid.

Classes, outside of hockey (since "hockey's different"), have zero to do with talent.

You can always opt back up if you'd like.

[hockeydad]

They asked for and were allowed to opt down because one of the schools (Le Center) had only one player and they were so close to the cutoff. This had not been an issue until a few years ago when they added Montgomery-Lonsdale to the co-op. When they added ML, they did play in Class AA for one season. If memory serves correct, they orginally were supposed to play in 2AA after the last realignment. The league does not normally allow teams to "opt-down" but I believe they made a good decision in this case.

I ask my previous question, not only because I would be curious to know but, because it really seems like splitting hairs to me.

What's the next step, only counting the enrollment of those who participate in extracurricular activities at the school? There was a discussion earlier in the year about co-ops that seemed to be divided pretty evenly down the middle about where they should be.

Le Sueur St Peter etc. agreed to take on the Montgomery kids who were "orphaned" when New Prague discontinued their coop. (NPML would have been placed in 2AA otherwise). I believe if they weren't given the exemption, they would have considered dropping Le Center to bring them back under the cutoff.

[MHGr8ness]

So if you’re on free or reduced lunch, your only 40% as good of an athlete?

No; you're much less likely to participate in sports. My opinion is that the enrollment is a reflection of available students to draw from. Right or wrong, the MSHSL has determined that those who have less means have less ability to participate (my interpretation) and therefore count as 40% of someone who has more means. Personally, I think it's a great idea, although I think it's silly they recognize this, but not that if you need 7 schools to co-op together to have enough to keep a program alive that you shouldn't be in the top class...

That makes no sense. Think about all sports. Football, Basketball, Track. Wow stupid.

Classes, outside of hockey (since "hockey's different"), have zero to do with talent.

You can always opt back up if you'd like.

That's EXACTLY it. Your class should have nothing to do with your talent. ONLY your size. No opt ups, or opt downs. You're put into your class by enrollment. Things like free and reduced lunch to factor into the enrollment make sense to me. Oh ya, and all privates are the highest class available considering they can get their students from anywhere

[MNHockeyFan]

Oh ya, and all privates are the highest class available considering they can get their students from anywhere

With open enrollment so can the publics!

[Gretzky9]

Figured it had to do with a small number of players from one of the schools. Also actually Montgomery-Lonsdale is closer to New Prauge but adding their enrollment to New Prauge also would put them in AA.

Does anyone know where you can find a list of how many players come from each school in a co-op?

I know someone from Le Sueur. Of the players who were regulars on varsity this year 9 were from Le Sueur, 9 were from St. Peter, and 2 were from Montgomery. Zero from etiher LeCenter or Henderson. Was told one of their best forwards, a sophomore from St. Peter, was out the whole year because of a broken collarbone.
The story is Montgomery petitioned the State to help them get in the Coop because New Prague would not take them. The School boards of the Coop were not going to let Montgomery in because of pushing them to AA but the MSHSL gave them an exception if they took Montgomery.

[MHGr8ness]

Oh ya, and all privates are the highest class available considering they can get their students from anywhere

With open enrollment so can the publics!

Not the same. Public has to except all. Private can recruit and choose.

[PuckU126]

Oh ya, and all privates are the highest class available considering they can get their students from anywhere

With open enrollment so can the publics!

Not the same. Public has to except all. Private can recruit and choose.

No.

Anyone can join a private school as well; you just need to fork over the money/be on financial aid.

And take out the R word. Private schools out there don't have hired scouts; they're already poor as it is (most)... The player's family chooses to go there.

[old goalie85]

If that's the way it works. ALL privates should go AA............

[PuckU126]

If that's the way it works. ALL privates should go AA............

Why?

Not every player that joins a private school for a particular sport is among the best in the state.

Just because it's a private school doesn't mean they'll dominate in a particular sport.

[old goalie85]

HS WATCH - I get it, does work, now that u explained it.

[HShockeywatcher]

Oh ya, and all privates are the highest class available considering they can get their students from anywhere

With open enrollment so can the publics!

Not the same. Public has to except all. Private can recruit and choose.

Not true. They do not have to accept any from outside their district. Many do not.

The "choosing" you are referring to is if a school gets more acceptable applicants than their max class size, which I'm guessing is rarely happening. If you are implying "unqualified" hockey players are taking spots from "qualified" non-hockey players, I doubt you are correct on that either.

Also, in this economy, many privates I'm guessing have to lower standards. In the article about Totino, they were talking about declining enrollment. I would think it would be easier to recruit someone to a place with a $0 price tag than somewhere with a $6k+ price tag if their SOLE reason for going there is hockey.

Figured it had to do with a small number of players from one of the schools. Also actually Montgomery-Lonsdale is closer to New Prauge but adding their enrollment to New Prauge also would put them in AA.

Does anyone know where you can find a list of how many players come from each school in a co-op?

I know someone from Le Sueur. Of the players who were regulars on varsity this year 9 were from Le Sueur, 9 were from St. Peter, and 2 were from Montgomery. Zero from etiher LeCenter or Henderson. Was told one of their best forwards, a sophomore from St. Peter, was out the whole year because of a broken collarbone.
The story is Montgomery petitioned the State to help them get in the Coop because New Prague would not take them. The School boards of the Coop were not going to let Montgomery in because of pushing them to AA but the MSHSL gave them an exception if they took Montgomery.

I'm pretty sure that open enrolling to a school because athletic programs you want to participate in aren't offered at your school is legit, although I'm not 100% on that.

So, did they petition to let the 2 kids from Montgomery play on the St Peter team, or did they petition for a co-op so anyone form Montgomery could play that that team?
I'm all for co-oped schools being allowed to stay down, but they aren't. Why is this team given an exception?

What is the difference between losing to Lourdes in the quarters and losing to a Lakeville/Rochester school in the semi's? Aside from having to win a play in game? Your class has ZERO mandates on your schedule.

[MHGr8ness]

With open enrollment so can the publics!

Not the same. Public has to except all. Private can recruit and choose.

Not true. They do not have to accept any from outside their district. Many do not.

The "choosing" you are referring to is if a school gets more acceptable applicants than their max class size, which I'm guessing is rarely happening. If you are implying "unqualified" hockey players are taking spots from "qualified" non-hockey players, I doubt you are correct on that either.

Also, in this economy, many privates I'm guessing have to lower standards. In the article about Totino, they were talking about declining enrollment. I would think it would be easier to recruit someone to a place with a $0 price tag than somewhere with a $6k+ price tag if their SOLE reason for going there is hockey.

Does anyone know where you can find a list of how many players come from each school in a co-op?

I know someone from Le Sueur. Of the players who were regulars on varsity this year 9 were from Le Sueur, 9 were from St. Peter, and 2 were from Montgomery. Zero from etiher LeCenter or Henderson. Was told one of their best forwards, a sophomore from St. Peter, was out the whole year because of a broken collarbone.
The story is Montgomery petitioned the State to help them get in the Coop because New Prague would not take them. The School boards of the Coop were not going to let Montgomery in because of pushing them to AA but the MSHSL gave them an exception if they took Montgomery.

I'm pretty sure that open enrolling to a school because athletic programs you want to participate in aren't offered at your school is legit, although I'm not 100% on that.

So, did they petition to let the 2 kids from Montgomery play on the St Peter team, or did they petition for a co-op so anyone form Montgomery could play that that team?
I'm all for co-oped schools being allowed to stay down, but they aren't. Why is this team given an exception?

What is the difference between losing to Lourdes in the quarters and losing to a Lakeville/Rochester school in the semi's? Aside from having to win a play in game?

No matter what publics can lose and gain. It goes BOTH ways for them. Privates ONLY take from other programs