Wisconsin Fire

[goaliewithfoggedglasses]

The kids would be first year Bantams some may go to J.V.? [if left w/no other options]

Second half 97's are year 2 Peewees.

hockeyoldtimer - I don't think it's quite as easy as showing up at Shattuck and they let you in. Coming up with the cash and meeting the academic standards would be a couple of barriers to start.

[iwearmysunglassesatnight]

[quote="goaliewithfoggedglasses"][quote="old goalie85"]The kids would be first year Bantams some may go to J.V.? [if left w/no other options][/quote]

Second half 97's are year 2 Peewees.

hockeyoldtimer - I don't think it's quite as easy as showing up at Shattuck and they let you in. Coming up with the cash and meeting the academic standards would be a couple of barriers to start.[/quote]

If the program is granted tier 1 status then they will get a waiver from MN Hockey to play for them. That will also allow them not to have punishment upon a return if the player chooses to do so. They must first register with MN Hockey, I imagine thru the usa hockey site as others do.

[Quasar]

If the program is granted tier 1 status then they will get a waiver from MN Hockey to play for them. That will also allow them not to have punishment upon a return if the player chooses to do so. They must first register with MN Hockey, I imagine thru the usa hockey site as others do.

Or how about Minnesota hockey letting our two Tier 1 teams, The Machine, and Blades compete as winter tier 1 teams from Minnesota??

Then the question about the Fire would be mute, as most of their players would be playing in Minnesota were they live!!

[inthenet]

If you check out some of the Tier 1 teams from the rest of USA. They have teams all the way thru U16. So even if a kid is in his 2nd year as a Bantam as a 97, The Fire could have a team for those skaters for two more years.

Check out the Chicago Mission website....

[GreatOne99]

The kids would be first year Bantams some may go to J.V.? [if left w/no other options]

Second half 97's are year 2 Peewees.

hockeyoldtimer - I don't think it's quite as easy as showing up at Shattuck and they let you in. Coming up with the cash and meeting the academic standards would be a couple of barriers to start.

Also too I think they are very very selective so I don't think you can show up on their front door and throw your hockey back into a locker room and gear up for tryouts. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure that they don't even have open tryouts so the chances of a Fire kid walking onto SSM after leaving the Fire would not be something that I would want to be on happening.

SSM are invitation only. No open tryouts. If you're a second year peewee and haven't been contacted yet by SSM to consider attending and playing on their Bantam team, good luck!

[buttend]

Second half 97's are year 2 Peewees.

hockeyoldtimer - I don't think it's quite as easy as showing up at Shattuck and they let you in. Coming up with the cash and meeting the academic standards would be a couple of barriers to start.

Also too I think they are very very selective so I don't think you can show up on their front door and throw your hockey back into a locker room and gear up for tryouts. As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure that they don't even have open tryouts so the chances of a Fire kid walking onto SSM after leaving the Fire would not be something that I would want to be on happening.

SSM are invitation only. No open tryouts. If you're a second year peewee and haven't been contacted yet by SSM to consider attending and playing on their Bantam team, good luck!

97 Machine and 97 Blades players were invited to Shattuck to skate/tryout/get a look this summer. This Fall 2-97 Machine and 1-97 Blades player are attending Shattuck. Shattuck is well aware of the Fire. The 97 team will be skating there this Winter and playing in an event there as well. Also the make up of the 97 Fire is 5 Blades players, 4 MM Machine Players 4 MM Torspo players 2 Legacy players 1 Other and 3 98 Machine players.

[Quasar]

So.. Does anyone know if they have been granted Tier 1 status ??

[Quasar]

One of the parents told me they were granted Tier I status.

Anyone ??

[greybeard58]

I believe the WAHA web site and their guide book still lists them as Unclassified. I also believe that if they were indeed granted Tier I status you would think it would be in big letters on the Fire web site.

[Quasar]

I believe the WAHA web site and their guide book still lists them as Unclassified. I also believe that if they were indeed granted Tier I status you would think it would be in big letters on the Fire web site.

Yes, I agree they would let everyone know. I guess my real question is if the Fire kids have waivers or not.

WAHA says in their guide book that there will only be 4 Tier 1 teams, yet, they list 5. I also noticed that they have three teams listed as "Unclassified"

Then there are their interstate waiver rules which clearly state the Minnesota kid will have to play on a Tier 1 team.

The Minnesota waiver states the same...

You are correct The Fire is listed as unclassified ..

So again I ask... If there is anyone that actually knows what the status of the fire players is ... Please let us know.

I have a couple of reasons for asking... However the main one is ...

If it's legal for the Fire to waiver in Minnesota kids, were will the next Wisconsin unclassified team spring up ??

[GreatOne99]

I believe the WAHA web site and their guide book still lists them as Unclassified. I also believe that if they were indeed granted Tier I status you would think it would be in big letters on the Fire web site.

Yes, I agree they would let everyone know. I guess my real question is if the Fire kids have waivers or not.

WAHA says in their guide book that there will only be 4 Tier 1 teams, yet, they list 5. I also noticed that they have three teams listed as "Unclassified"

Then there are their interstate waiver rules which clearly state the Minnesota kid will have to play on a Tier 1 team.

The Minnesota waiver states the same...

You are correct The Fire is listed as unclassified ..

So again I ask... If there is anyone that actually knows what the status of the fire players is ... Please let us know.

I have a couple of reasons for asking... However the main one is ...

If it's legal for the Fire to waiver in Minnesota kids, were will the next Wisconsin unclassified team spring up ??

Fire is STILL Unclassified and will be for the remainder of this season. They missed the June cut off date set by WAHA and will be unclassified for the 2010-2011 winter season, missing the filing deadline seems to be the sticking point that WAHA is standing behind.

[thespellchecker]

Yes, I agree they would let everyone know. I guess my real question is if the Fire kids have waivers or not.

WAHA says in their guide book that there will only be 4 Tier 1 teams, yet, they list 5. I also noticed that they have three teams listed as "Unclassified"

Then there are their interstate waiver rules which clearly state the Minnesota kid will have to play on a Tier 1 team.

The Minnesota waiver states the same...

You are correct The Fire is listed as unclassified ..

So again I ask... If there is anyone that actually knows what the status of the fire players is ... Please let us know.

I have a couple of reasons for asking... However the main one is ...

If it's legal for the Fire to waiver in Minnesota kids, were will the next Wisconsin unclassified team spring up ??

Fire is STILL Unclassified and will be for the remainder of this season. They missed the June cut off date set by WAHA and will be unclassified for the 2010-2011 winter season, missing the filing deadline seems to be the sticking point that WAHA is standing behind.

The WAHA rule prohibit a tier 1 and tier 2 person aligned with both programs. Unfortunately the fire director is also part of the local city tier 2 team Somerset. This is another obstacle the Fire must overcome to get tier 1, prior to MN hockey assocation tryouts this fall. I hope they get it done.

[Quasar]

Fire is STILL Unclassified and will be for the remainder of this season. They missed the June cut off date set by WAHA and will be unclassified for the 2010-2011 winter season, missing the filing deadline seems to be the sticking point that WAHA is standing behind.

The WAHA rule prohibit a tier 1 and tier 2 person aligned with both programs. Unfortunately the fire director is also part of the local city tier 2 team Somerset. This is another obstacle the Fire must overcome to get tier 1, prior to MN hockey assocation tryouts this fall. I hope they get it done.

Thank you for the information.. I also would like to see them get it done.

I wish that the powers that be in both Minnesota and Wisconsin wouldn't make everything so difficult. However I can see their side of it too .

[SnowedIn]

Quasar - any news? You seem to be well researched on this issue with many informed posts on this thread.

[Quasar]

Quasar - any news? You seem to be well researched on this issue with many informed posts on this thread.

No more than I've already posted.. But... Let me expand the discussion..

USA hockey has 8.5 Million dollars from the NHL for their ADM/HPC program.

About half of the total is slated for associations that adopt the ADM/HPC format. There are districts formed, and there are district managers in place.

So......Where are the Minnesota clubs going to come from??

In Wisconsin, The Fire seems to be headed in that direction. They hint at it on on their web site.

I also wonder why the machine, and the Blades have started their respective "Choice" programs .

And what's the big deal about the District 6 rule??
Why is anyone willing to sue????

Could it be about a couple, three million dollars looking for a home ?

Makes one go Hmmmmm !!

[O-townClown]

USA hockey has 8.5 Million dollars from the NHL for their ADM/HPC program.

About half of the total is slated for associations that adopt the ADM/HPC format. There are districts formed, and there are district managers in place.

So......Where are the Minnesota clubs going to come from??

In Wisconsin, The Fire seems to be headed in that direction. They hint at it on on their web site.

High Performance Clubs are still on hold. USA Hockey has been incredibly tight-lipped about it. They were attempting to get control of Tier I youth (many aspects are a mess) and Junior. The truth is, warts and all, there are many people happy with present-day Tier I and the USHL.

The 36 HPC clubs were likely to be the strong Tier I programs anyway. It was likely their footprint would be almost identical to the NHL's. I've been asking about HPC and the answers I've been getting are to make your plans independent of HPCs. They may continue to get pushed back.

I'm going to be with one of the ADM guys this weekend. I'll ask him.

[hockeyoldtimer]

Buttend,
Thanks for clarifying that the 97 Machine and 97 Blades have been asked to SSM for a "skate". I never for a minute meant that any kid from the 97 Fire could just , " sign up " for a program as elite as SSM!!
I just know that alot of these kids were also looking at SSM. The 97 Fire was the first group that skated for SSM last spring and a few of their top players were considered for SSM this year but went back to the Fire for one more year.
One of the 97 Fire goalies left and is at SSM now along with another ex-Fire/Machine player and one additional Machine player as you stated.
Don't know if any of this year's Fire team will have anyone who gets accepted at SSM but I know there has been interest on both sides.

[Quasar]

USA hockey has 8.5 Million dollars from the NHL for their ADM/HPC program.

About half of the total is slated for associations that adopt the ADM/HPC format. There are districts formed, and there are district managers in place.

So......Where are the Minnesota clubs going to come from??

In Wisconsin, The Fire seems to be headed in that direction. They hint at it on on their web site.

High Performance Clubs are still on hold. USA Hockey has been incredibly tight-lipped about it. They were attempting to get control of Tier I youth (many aspects are a mess) and Junior. The truth is, warts and all, there are many people happy with present-day Tier I and the USHL.

The 36 HPC clubs were likely to be the strong Tier I programs anyway. It was likely their footprint would be almost identical to the NHL's. I've been asking about HPC and the answers I've been getting are to make your plans independent of HPCs. They may continue to get pushed back.

I'm going to be with one of the ADM guys this weekend. I'll ask him.

This is an evaluation of where the ADM/HPC program is at this point in time. According to the 2010 USA hockey annual report, the program is alive and well , and proceeding through the development stage as planned. The Idea is to start with U8 and to proceed up the ladder until the HPC component is viable. This year (2010/2011) the first USA ADM program is in business in the State of Mass. It’s called “The East Coast Hockey Conference” They have a web site up, and 5 teams listed, with a schedule of league play. The highest age listed is 98 birth year.. Which means next year will be the HPC launch when this group of kids are Bantams. They also state in the annual report, that the regional managers are going to add staff to get out into the regions to promote the program.

As I see it, any organization/association that has the U8 to U12 in place, and is following the USA model has a chance at the brass ring in the
Region made up of MN, WI, Dakotas, Neb. Kansas, and Iowa.

The NAHL Junior league has teams in Aberdeen, SD, Alexandria, MN, Austin, MN,
Bismarck, ND, Onalaska, WI, Owatonna, MN, and Janesville WI.

The USHL Junior league has teams in Cedar Rapids, IA, Green Bay, WI, Waterloo, IA, Des Moines, IA, Dubuque, IA, Fargo, ND, Lincoln, NB, Omaha, NB, Sioux City, IA, Sioux Falls, SD, and Kearney, NB.

Also mentioned in the annual report is the fact that USA hockey, through it’s ADM/HPC program is going to make an effort to iron out the midget/Junior situation to make the transition to HPC leagues smoother. And they have Millions of NHL dollars to do it!!

When you see your ADM insider this weekend, ask him how this analysis fits into his view
Of the ADM/HPC world.

[DumpandChase1]

My question is how long will this pot of gold from the NHL last. The last I checked these owners were not exactly making millions on these teams. My guess is the funds get cut off soon, and USA hockey will be left to fend for themselves.

[Quasar]

DumpandChase1 ]My question is how long will this pot of gold from the NHL last. The last I checked these owners were not exactly making millions on these teams. My guess is the funds get cut off soon, and USA hockey will be left to fend for themselves.

Your guess is as good as mine. The original idea was to build a feeder system for the NHL through the Junior/Midget system. At least that's what I think. As of Feb.2010 USA hockey was still trumpeting the fact that they had the money. It looks like they are getting spotty results based on which NHL teams are participating.. I just think that a lot of the craziness in Minnesota youth hockey at this particular moment in time might be part of the whole ADM/HPC concept..

[scrapiron]

So all of the Fire players new and old ended up getting rostered? That is what I have heard.

[GreatOne99]

So all of the Fire players new and old ended up getting rostered? That is what I have heard.

Just on the 99 and 97 teams. Some 98 went on to play on the 97's, etc.

[Task Force 34]

Looks like the 2000's are a go and the 97's are already at a tournament in Detroit.

[Deep Breath]

97s are in the semis Sunday morning against Compuware. Compuware beat them 6-2 in pool play. The 00s, 99s and 97s are all in the Nike Bauer Invite, which is in Chicago the first weekend in November.

[Deep Breath]

97s lost to Compuware 2-1 in the semis this morning.