Buffalo Association Development

[HOFam'r]

That my have been taken out of context, she may have very well meant any where else? I couldn't say for sure.
Sad situation over there...

BTW is this a down year for Bantams over there? Or is Rogers that much better this year? I saw part of the tryout scrimmage.

Bantams are down...way down...I believe they only had 21 skaters sign up...The kids will try hard but the training and development is not evident. Buffalo's last Bantam team to win lowly D5 was the group of seniors this year. Who knows what will happen this season but as always I back the Bison kids and hope they pummel Rogers. I am sure the glasses CNT watched the game through were shaded Royal Blue...

With that said CNT can only be only so much a homer...the Bison will need to get alot better this season at the Bantam level..no doubt about that.

I had to wear those glasses!!..... because I was blinded by the goal lamp continuously being lit by the Royals bantams

BTW where was Buffs goalie? Do you not have one? I was told Rogers provided the goalies.

I think alot of the Bantams have been asked to try out for the HS/JV squad...not sure...yes they have a goalie at the Bantam level (solid)..I am sure if the 'honest' folks at Rogers were providing the goalies it just might have tainted the outcome...Buffalo has a few standout kids at the Bantam level...but numbers are so low who knows what they are doing...

[Can't Never Tried]

Bantams are down...way down...I believe they only had 21 skaters sign up...The kids will try hard but the training and development is not evident. Buffalo's last Bantam team to win lowly D5 was the group of seniors this year. Who knows what will happen this season but as always I back the Bison kids and hope they pummel Rogers. I am sure the glasses CNT watched the game through were shaded Royal Blue...

With that said CNT can only be only so much a homer...the Bison will need to get alot better this season at the Bantam level..no doubt about that.

I had to wear those glasses!!..... because I was blinded by the goal lamp continuously being lit by the Royals bantams

BTW where was Buffs goalie? Do you not have one? I was told Rogers provided the goalies.

I think alot of the Bantams have been asked to try out for the HS/JV squad...not sure...yes they have a goalie at the Bantam level (solid)..I am sure if the 'honest' folks at Rogers were providing the goalies it just might have tainted the outcome...Buffalo has a few standout kids at the Bantam level...but numbers are so low who knows what they are doing...

No HOF I think they were doing their best, goaltending is not something I believe Rogers is deep in....keep in mind the tenders were trying out too!
Are the HS #'s low enough to warrant the move up?
Or is it that it cost an arm and leg to play.... that's pushing them up to the HS ranks?

[HOFam'r]

I had to wear those glasses!!..... because I was blinded by the goal lamp continuously being lit by the Royals bantams

BTW where was Buffs goalie? Do you not have one? I was told Rogers provided the goalies.

I think alot of the Bantams have been asked to try out for the HS/JV squad...not sure...yes they have a goalie at the Bantam level (solid)..I am sure if the 'honest' folks at Rogers were providing the goalies it just might have tainted the outcome...Buffalo has a few standout kids at the Bantam level...but numbers are so low who knows what they are doing...

No HOF I think they were doing their best, goaltending is not something I believe Rogers is deep in....keep in mind the tenders were trying out too!
Are the HS #'s low enough to warrant the move up?
Or is it that it cost an arm and leg to play.... that's pushing them up to the HS ranks?

CNT, I think the cost of hockey in Buffalo is prohibitive in many older kids playing B or C hockey at the Bantam level. The dream of playing HS and beyond is pretty much over by then. I know the JR Gold numbers are way low as well...even after two straight State Tourney appearances.

Regarding HS numbers...yes they are low and yes they need kids to fill JV rosters. Honestly, several members of the current board have contributed VERY much to the demise of Buffalo Hockey. I believe the investigation into the theft charges will be starting soon and many fingers will pointed various directions...it will be interesting to see how all of that shakes out.

[can't catch a break]

In response to the original post...

I suppose in order to make an educated response to this redicules subject, HOFam'r should have probably mentioned that the outragous fees he is "needing" to pay for this skill development that he does not want his kid to have comes out to less than $10 over the entire season!

(7) 1 hour on-ice skills clinics during the season (which were supposed to be run by Dick Emheiser) at $35/hr divided by (we'll use the current BYHA peewee numbers) 43 = $5.69.

Might I add, that all of these numbers and costs were brought to every board meeting (which are open to all BYHA members) over the course of the last 6 months. They were discussed - open forum with any member of BYHA - and voted on with all information provided at that time. They were then posted on the BYHA website and all information was given to parents at registration.

So my question is HOFam'r... if you don't like it, why did you register with BYHA? Why not go play somewhere else?? It's $5!!!

As for the board member who wants to pay double to get that kind of training for his kid (I'm sure I know who that must have been), but he obviously lives in a dream world because even though there are some skilled players in BYHA, it will never matter until they can learn how to teach hockey.

As far as the Bantam/HS numbers talked about in this post, the 2 kids who are moving up to HS level from BYHA (possibly 3) simply do not belong on a Bantam team. Their skills do go beyond what can be offered in D5 at the Bantam level.

[HOFam'r]

In response to the original post...

I suppose in order to make an educated response to this redicules subject, HOFam'r should have probably mentioned that the outragous fees he is "needing" to pay for this skill development that he does not want his kid to have comes out to less than $10 over the entire season!

(7) 1 hour on-ice skills clinics during the season (which were supposed to be run by Dick Emheiser) at $35/hr divided by (we'll use the current BYHA peewee numbers) 43 = $5.69.

Might I add, that all of these numbers and costs were brought to every board meeting (which are open to all BYHA members) over the course of the last 6 months. They were discussed - open forum with any member of BYHA - and voted on with all information provided at that time. They were then posted on the BYHA website and all information was given to parents at registration.

So my question is HOFam'r... if you don't like it, why did you register with BYHA? Why not go play somewhere else?? It's $5!!!

As for the board member who wants to pay double to get that kind of training for his kid (I'm sure I know who that must have been), but he obviously lives in a dream world because even though there are some skilled players in BYHA, it will never matter until they can learn how to teach hockey.

As far as the Bantam/HS numbers talked about in this post, the 2 kids who are moving up to HS level from BYHA (possibly 3) simply do not belong on a Bantam team. Their skills do go beyond what can be offered in D5 at the Bantam level.

Wow! Welcome to the bored Can't catch a Break and I appreciate your opinion. Your figures are a bit off and your theory is tainted with a polish that makes me believe I know who you are. First, Emheiser was to cost $52 per hour, he quit and could not continue...then the Hockey Operations board decided one of the dads at the rink would do the clinic for $35 an hour...The kicker was that when the original schedule surfaced this person was only responsible for running 12% of the clinics...HUH? Who was running the other 88%??? The question for me was not about who or how much...it was about choice. At BYHA you have no choice but to pay for these clinics. The total cost to the Association was to be $22k for Emheiser and $15k for the Dad. $70 or $80 bucks a player...I thought this was fiscally irresponsible especially in light of the recent affairs that plagued BYHA and tripled the cost of Hockey in Buffalo.

The Board saw it different...end of story...whoops it appears now that all but one clinic supervisor will be doing the clinics on a volunteer basis...why?...hmmm....I know why...do you CCAB?

Good question about my kid/s...here is the bottom line with me. I don't talk about kids on this bored. I speak to issues that I do not agree with and to adults for fun. Obviously, you understand who I am but please leave my kid out of it. Secondly, I live in Buffalo so unless I would like to drive to MPLS twice a day I am forced to live with it.

[puckeyone]

My question is with all the great hockey minded people in Bison country why on Gods green earth does the board feel they have to pay anyone for these clinics, and to pay anyone the figures Hofamer is throwing out is ABSURBED.
There has to be someone behind the scenes that is pulling the strings of the board, and probably getting a kickback. If those figures are correct that Hofamer is throwing out the entire board should RESIGN for allowing this, That is great fiscal responsibilty, but then one in Bufflao has any oversight and history is proving this out,. Hold on to your pocket books because it looks like it is getting worse

[woogieboogiewoogie]

HOFam'r,

Not sure what age your kid(s) are but you could have come over to STMA and paid 1300-1400 bucks for squirts or peewees. I think 1500 bucks for Bantams

I think the costs of hockey in District 5 are all pretty much the same.
Just like the old saying "don't know what cha got till it's gone"

Bottom line Hockey is expensive and it does help to have people to volunteer their time to help out with clinics etc. If any association wants the best sometimes that costs $$$$. just my 2 cents

[HOFam'r]

HOFam'r,

Not sure what age your kid(s) are but you could have come over to STMA and paid 1300-1400 bucks for squirts or peewees. I think 1500 bucks for Bantams

I think the costs of hockey in District 5 are all pretty much the same.
Just like the old saying "don't know what cha got till it's gone"

Bottom line Hockey is expensive and it does help to have people to volunteer their time to help out with clinics etc. If any association wants the best sometimes that costs $$$$. just my 2 cents

WBW-Not the Point-First and foremost is individual choice...there is no choice in Buffalo you just pay. Secondly, the Association has dug a big financial hole with LARGE mistakes and participation is dropping making hockey three times as expensive as it was just 2 years ago. Hardly, seems like the time to mandate clinic fees (15k) total. Lastly, many of the same people who voted to mandate the clinics did have a personal interest because they were the ones who stood to gain for time they probably would have spent at the rink anyway. When they were found out they decided to volunteer...hmmm...

Does that sound like the best scenario to you? I could honestly careless if people choose to participate in the scenario above and could care less if people got paid to run em...just make sure everyone understands on the upfront what's goin on. If half the Association choose not to participate then the cost to each individual would be double...if the cost was double there might not be many who participate...I get the back side but producing a quality product usually = participation. Many are unaware of what goes on..I am here to inform them.

[woogieboogiewoogie]

I get your point of the clinics not being an option.(maybe that is something BYHA looks at in the future) But why wouldn't the kids do the clinic prior to tryouts? Alot of them might not have skated during the off season(if their is such a thing anymore) and why wouldn't you have your kid(s) do the clinic? What happened with supporting your YHA. I am not sure of the cost of the clinic per skater but I can't believe that the cost would be so outragous that it would be cost prohibitive for the majority. Sounds like to me you are bitter towards your association and continually throw them under the bus on a public forum instead of approaching people on the board. I kind of understand the $$ situation at BYHA and BYHA has been fortunate in the past to get $$ from pulltab sales like many other associations but pulltab $$ is down for every association and it's not like ice is getting cheaper every year. Also the situation with a coach doesn't help either. Just try to remember that board members for all associations are voluteers and they try to do what's best for the majority. They can not and will not make everyone happy! If you don't like what is happening get involved, get on the board try to help make changes and share your point of view! But to continue to B&M about your association is getting quite old. Change can only happen when people step up to help make a difference.

e="HOFam'r"]

HOFam'r,

Not sure what age your kid(s) are but you could have come over to STMA and paid 1300-1400 bucks for squirts or peewees. I think 1500 bucks for Bantams

I think the costs of hockey in District 5 are all pretty much the same.
Just like the old saying "don't know what cha got till it's gone"

Bottom line Hockey is expensive and it does help to have people to volunteer their time to help out with clinics etc. If any association wants the best sometimes that costs $$$$. just my 2 cents

WBW-Not the Point-First and foremost is individual choice...there is no choice in Buffalo you just pay. Secondly, the Association has dug a big financial hole with LARGE mistakes and participation is dropping making hockey three times as expensive as it was just 2 years ago. Hardly, seems like the time to mandate clinic fees (15k) total. Lastly, many of the same people who voted to mandate the clinics did have a personal interest because they were the ones who stood to gain for time they probably would have spent at the rink anyway. When they were found out they decided to volunteer...hmmm...

Does that sound like the best scenario to you? I could honestly careless if people choose to participate in the scenario above and could care less if people got paid to run em...just make sure everyone understands on the upfront what's goin on. If half the Association choose not to participate then the cost to each individual would be double...if the cost was double there might not be many who participate...I get the back side but producing a quality product usually = participation. Many are unaware of what goes on..I am here to inform them.

[Can't Never Tried]

I get your point of the clinics not being an option.(maybe that is something BYHA looks at in the future) But why wouldn't the kids do the clinic prior to tryouts? Alot of them might not have skated during the off season(if their is such a thing anymore) and why wouldn't you have your kid(s) do the clinic? What happened with supporting your YHA. I am not sure of the cost of the clinic per skater but I can't believe that the cost would be so outragous that it would be cost prohibitive for the majority. Sounds like to me you are bitter towards your association and continually throw them under the bus on a public forum instead of approaching people on the board. I kind of understand the $$ situation at BYHA and BYHA has been fortunate in the past to get $$ from pulltab sales like many other associations but pulltab $$ is down for every association and it's not like ice is getting cheaper every year. Also the situation with a coach doesn't help either. Just try to remember that board members for all associations are voluteers and they try to do what's best for the majority. They can not and will not make everyone happy! If you don't like what is happening get involved, get on the board try to help make changes and share your point of view! But to continue to B&M about your association is getting quite old. Change can only happen when people step up to help make a difference.

e="HOFam'r"]

HOFam'r,

Not sure what age your kid(s) are but you could have come over to STMA and paid 1300-1400 bucks for squirts or peewees. I think 1500 bucks for Bantams

I think the costs of hockey in District 5 are all pretty much the same.
Just like the old saying "don't know what cha got till it's gone"

Bottom line Hockey is expensive and it does help to have people to volunteer their time to help out with clinics etc. If any association wants the best sometimes that costs $$$$. just my 2 cents

WBW-Not the Point-First and foremost is individual choice...there is no choice in Buffalo you just pay. Secondly, the Association has dug a big financial hole with LARGE mistakes and participation is dropping making hockey three times as expensive as it was just 2 years ago. Hardly, seems like the time to mandate clinic fees (15k) total. Lastly, many of the same people who voted to mandate the clinics did have a personal interest because they were the ones who stood to gain for time they probably would have spent at the rink anyway. When they were found out they decided to volunteer...hmmm...

Does that sound like the best scenario to you? I could honestly careless if people choose to participate in the scenario above and could care less if people got paid to run em...just make sure everyone understands on the upfront what's goin on. If half the Association choose not to participate then the cost to each individual would be double...if the cost was double there might not be many who participate...I get the back side but producing a quality product usually = participation. Many are unaware of what goes on..I am here to inform them.

Boy the response to this should be good

[east hockey]

I get your point of the clinics not being an option.(maybe that is something BYHA looks at in the future) But why wouldn't the kids do the clinic prior to tryouts? Alot of them might not have skated during the off season(if their is such a thing anymore) and why wouldn't you have your kid(s) do the clinic? What happened with supporting your YHA. I am not sure of the cost of the clinic per skater but I can't believe that the cost would be so outragous that it would be cost prohibitive for the majority. Sounds like to me you are bitter towards your association and continually throw them under the bus on a public forum instead of approaching people on the board. I kind of understand the $$ situation at BYHA and BYHA has been fortunate in the past to get $$ from pulltab sales like many other associations but pulltab $$ is down for every association and it's not like ice is getting cheaper every year. Also the situation with a coach doesn't help either. Just try to remember that board members for all associations are voluteers and they try to do what's best for the majority. They can not and will not make everyone happy! If you don't like what is happening get involved, get on the board try to help make changes and share your point of view! But to continue to B&M about your association is getting quite old. Change can only happen when people step up to help make a difference.

e="HOFam'r"] WBW-Not the Point-First and foremost is individual choice...there is no choice in Buffalo you just pay. Secondly, the Association has dug a big financial hole with LARGE mistakes and participation is dropping making hockey three times as expensive as it was just 2 years ago. Hardly, seems like the time to mandate clinic fees (15k) total. Lastly, many of the same people who voted to mandate the clinics did have a personal interest because they were the ones who stood to gain for time they probably would have spent at the rink anyway. When they were found out they decided to volunteer...hmmm...

Does that sound like the best scenario to you? I could honestly careless if people choose to participate in the scenario above and could care less if people got paid to run em...just make sure everyone understands on the upfront what's goin on. If half the Association choose not to participate then the cost to each individual would be double...if the cost was double there might not be many who participate...I get the back side but producing a quality product usually = participation. Many are unaware of what goes on..I am here to inform them.

Boy the response to this should be good

Yeah, like this topic wasn't already on the Admin radar.

Lee

[Neutron 14]

Yeah, like this topic wasn't already on the Admin radar.

Lee

With how much we've been drowned with this, your going to need sonar...

[puckeyone]

WBW , you must be new to this.. you can see from previous posts from Hofamer that he is PRO Buffalo Hockey, and has taken me to task at times on this, His point is VALID no one should have to pay for clinics if they choose not to go, well except the government i guess they tax the hell out everyone and then decide who to give it to, But Buffalo Hockey is not this,
You obviously have ties to the board and must have been drinking the KOOL AID given by the higher ups,
, If the instruction is as good as it is advertised then there should be no problem in filling the clinic, but it seems people in Bison country are getting fed up with the high costs and revolting. Numbers are down ,allegations of theft running about, problems in the charitable gaming, and so on and so on,

[woogieboogiewoogie]

WBW , you must be new to this.. you can see from previous posts from Hofamer that he is PRO Buffalo Hockey, and has taken me to task at times on this, His point is VALID no one should have to pay for clinics if they choose not to go, well except the government i guess they tax the hell out everyone and then decide who to give it to, But Buffalo Hockey is not this,
You obviously have ties to the board and must have been drinking the KOOL AID given by the higher ups,
, If the instruction is as good as it is advertised then there should be no problem in filling the clinic, but it seems people in Bison country are getting fed up with the high costs and revolting. Numbers are down ,allegations of theft running about, problems in the charitable gaming, and so on and so on,

Not involved with BYHA, NWC. Tough situation for the association and very unfortunate. Hopefully things get worked out and everyone ends up happy.

[east hockey]

Yeah, like this topic wasn't already on the Admin radar.

Lee

With how much we've been drowned with this, your going to need sonar...

Should have used a depth charge first, maybe.

Lee

[HOFam'r]

I get your point of the clinics not being an option.(maybe that is something BYHA looks at in the future) But why wouldn't the kids do the clinic prior to tryouts? Alot of them might not have skated during the off season(if their is such a thing anymore) and why wouldn't you have your kid(s) do the clinic? What happened with supporting your YHA. I am not sure of the cost of the clinic per skater but I can't believe that the cost would be so outragous that it would be cost prohibitive for the majority. Sounds like to me you are bitter towards your association and continually throw them under the bus on a public forum instead of approaching people on the board. I kind of understand the $$ situation at BYHA and BYHA has been fortunate in the past to get $$ from pulltab sales like many other associations but pulltab $$ is down for every association and it's not like ice is getting cheaper every year. Also the situation with a coach doesn't help either. Just try to remember that board members for all associations are voluteers and they try to do what's best for the majority. They can not and will not make everyone happy! If you don't like what is happening get involved, get on the board try to help make changes and share your point of view! But to continue to B&M about your association is getting quite old. Change can only happen when people step up to help make a difference.

e="HOFam'r"]

HOFam'r,

Not sure what age your kid(s) are but you could have come over to STMA and paid 1300-1400 bucks for squirts or peewees. I think 1500 bucks for Bantams

I think the costs of hockey in District 5 are all pretty much the same.
Just like the old saying "don't know what cha got till it's gone"

Bottom line Hockey is expensive and it does help to have people to volunteer their time to help out with clinics etc. If any association wants the best sometimes that costs $$$$. just my 2 cents

WBW-Not the Point-First and foremost is individual choice...there is no choice in Buffalo you just pay. Secondly, the Association has dug a big financial hole with LARGE mistakes and participation is dropping making hockey three times as expensive as it was just 2 years ago. Hardly, seems like the time to mandate clinic fees (15k) total. Lastly, many of the same people who voted to mandate the clinics did have a personal interest because they were the ones who stood to gain for time they probably would have spent at the rink anyway. When they were found out they decided to volunteer...hmmm...

Does that sound like the best scenario to you? I could honestly careless if people choose to participate in the scenario above and could care less if people got paid to run em...just make sure everyone understands on the upfront what's goin on. If half the Association choose not to participate then the cost to each individual would be double...if the cost was double there might not be many who participate...I get the back side but producing a quality product usually = participation. Many are unaware of what goes on..I am here to inform them.

WBW...First it is more than obvious your involved with BYHA. You sound like a couple of the people I spoke with at the board meeting I attended. So please give up your child like attempt to act like you have nothing to do with it. Second it certainly should be applauded that you have decided to crawl out from under the rock and speak your opinion. Lastly, I love this bored...it makes people nervous and as it gains popularity it makes people aware of the decisions made by various Hockey associations throughout the state...not just Buffalo. I am huge supporter of Bison Hockey. I am Bold and opinionated, I was involved and am involved in BYHA and have up to 5 boys playing at one time.

The brass tax for me is that hockey is a game and not business. Unpuckeyone knows I have ripped him when he attacks the purple. Unpuckeyone also gets that hockey is a game and not a business.

Regarding my posts getting old and my bitterness toward BYHA...give me a break. If that's the way you truly feel then I suggest you read all my posts and develop some sense decency and fairness. Everyone needs to stand for something WBW besides trying to get their kid on the A-team...People feed off that crap only to be disappointed when Junior does not play first line center as a freshman. Hockey is a great game..let the kids play and quit being an adult postering for position within a youth organization. It is unbecoming to say the least.

WBW here's a suggestion you can take to the polls tomorrow "Set yourself free, with Hofamer we all agree!'

[WayOutWest]

WBW here's a suggestion you can take to the polls tomorrow "Set yourself free, with Hofamer we all agree!'

I vote "NO" to that.

[woogieboogiewoogie]

I get your point of the clinics not being an option.(maybe that is something BYHA looks at in the future) But why wouldn't the kids do the clinic prior to tryouts? Alot of them might not have skated during the off season(if their is such a thing anymore) and why wouldn't you have your kid(s) do the clinic? What happened with supporting your YHA. I am not sure of the cost of the clinic per skater but I can't believe that the cost would be so outragous that it would be cost prohibitive for the majority. Sounds like to me you are bitter towards your association and continually throw them under the bus on a public forum instead of approaching people on the board. I kind of understand the $$ situation at BYHA and BYHA has been fortunate in the past to get $$ from pulltab sales like many other associations but pulltab $$ is down for every association and it's not like ice is getting cheaper every year. Also the situation with a coach doesn't help either. Just try to remember that board members for all associations are voluteers and they try to do what's best for the majority. They can not and will not make everyone happy! If you don't like what is happening get involved, get on the board try to help make changes and share your point of view! But to continue to B&M about your association is getting quite old. Change can only happen when people step up to help make a difference.

e="HOFam'r"] WBW-Not the Point-First and foremost is individual choice...there is no choice in Buffalo you just pay. Secondly, the Association has dug a big financial hole with LARGE mistakes and participation is dropping making hockey three times as expensive as it was just 2 years ago. Hardly, seems like the time to mandate clinic fees (15k) total. Lastly, many of the same people who voted to mandate the clinics did have a personal interest because they were the ones who stood to gain for time they probably would have spent at the rink anyway. When they were found out they decided to volunteer...hmmm...

Does that sound like the best scenario to you? I could honestly careless if people choose to participate in the scenario above and could care less if people got paid to run em...just make sure everyone understands on the upfront what's goin on. If half the Association choose not to participate then the cost to each individual would be double...if the cost was double there might not be many who participate...I get the back side but producing a quality product usually = participation. Many are unaware of what goes on..I am here to inform them.

WBW...First it is more than obvious your involved with BYHA. You sound like a couple of the people I spoke with at the board meeting I attended. So please give up your child like attempt to act like you have nothing to do with it. Second it certainly should be applauded that you have decided to crawl out from under the rock and speak your opinion. Lastly, I love this bored...it makes people nervous and as it gains popularity it makes people aware of the decisions made by various Hockey associations throughout the state...not just Buffalo. I am huge supporter of Bison Hockey. I am Bold and opinionated, I was involved and am involved in BYHA and have up to 5 boys playing at one time.

The brass tax for me is that hockey is a game and not business. Unpuckeyone knows I have ripped him when he attacks the purple. Unpuckeyone also gets that hockey is a game and not a business.

Regarding my posts getting old and my bitterness toward BYHA...give me a break. If that's the way you truly feel then I suggest you read all my posts and develop some sense decency and fairness. Everyone needs to stand for something WBW besides trying to get their kid on the A-team...People feed off that crap only to be disappointed when Junior does not play first line center as a freshman. Hockey is a great game..let the kids play and quit being an adult postering for position within a youth organization. It is unbecoming to say the least.

WBW here's a suggestion you can take to the polls tomorrow "Set yourself free, with Hofamer we all agree!'

HOFam'r ,first of all like I said I have nothing to do with BYHA I have a kid in STMAYH. I have read alot of you posts if not all of your posts in this thread. I did get the sense that for whatever reason you are bitter toward your association. Hockey does have to be ran like a business in order to succeed. If you don't think there is a business side to hockey you are in a dream world. Maybe I don't get it. What do I know? You obviously know alot of things.

Imagine that, a parent with a kid in hockey sounding like another parent with a kid in hockey. I'm sure that never happens.
Not that worried about my kid making any A team. I'm pretty sure she will someday.

I'm sure everyone involved with Bison hockey is very proud of your work on this forum. Keep up the good work.
"Set yourself free, with Hofamer we all agree!'

[WayOutWest]

Hockey does have to be ran like a business in order to succeed. If you don't think there is a business side to hockey you are in a dream world.

In a totally unprecedented move, I am going to side with Ho, on this particular point, anyway.
Hockey associations are ridiculously political, and they simply feed off each other, making things worse. They are self-policed, (and poorly so), filled with folks that lack objectivity, having kids and friend's kids in the program, and there is a boat load of dollars being thrown around. This is a scenario that just begs for corruption, political posturing, and abuse of power. (and many associations get just that)
Youth hockey SHOULD be 99% about playing the game and 1% about the business side of the program, but hockey associations have skewed that percentage greatly. There is FAR too much emphasis on ensuring that enough funds raisers are scheduled, to finance a trip for a bunch of 9 year olds to play in some tournament in Fargo, in lieu of emphasis on ensuring those 9 year olds are merely having an enjoyable experience just playing the game. The business side of youth hockey sucks much of the life right out of the sport. Minimize the business. Maximize the fun!!

[ExecutionTrumpsStrategy]

Hockey does have to be ran like a business in order to succeed. If you don't think there is a business side to hockey you are in a dream world.

In a totally unprecedented move, I am going to side with Ho, on this particular point, anyway.
Hockey associations are ridiculously political, and they simply feed off each other, making things worse. They are self-policed, (and poorly so), filled with folks that lack objectivity, having kids and friend's kids in the program, and there is a boat load of dollars being thrown around. This is a scenario that just begs for corruption, political posturing, and abuse of power. (and many associations get just that)
Youth hockey SHOULD be 99% about playing the game and 1% about the business side of the program, but hockey associations have skewed that percentage greatly. There is FAR too much emphasis on ensuring that enough funds raisers are scheduled, to finance a trip for a bunch of 9 year olds to play in some tournament in Fargo, in lieu of emphasis on ensuring those 9 year olds are merely having an enjoyable experience just playing the game. The business side of youth hockey sucks much of the life right out of the sport. Minimize the business. Maximize the fun!!

Very good WayOutWest!

[Can't Never Tried]

Hockey does have to be ran like a business in order to succeed. If you don't think there is a business side to hockey you are in a dream world.

In a totally unprecedented move, I am going to side with Ho, on this particular point, anyway.
Hockey associations are ridiculously political, and they simply feed off each other, making things worse. They are self-policed, (and poorly so), filled with folks that lack objectivity, having kids and friend's kids in the program, and there is a boat load of dollars being thrown around. This is a scenario that just begs for corruption, political posturing, and abuse of power. (and many associations get just that)
Youth hockey SHOULD be 99% about playing the game and 1% about the business side of the program, but hockey associations have skewed that percentage greatly. There is FAR too much emphasis on ensuring that enough funds raisers are scheduled, to finance a trip for a bunch of 9 year olds to play in some tournament in Fargo, in lieu of emphasis on ensuring those 9 year olds are merely having an enjoyable experience just playing the game. The business side of youth hockey sucks much of the life right out of the sport. Minimize the business. Maximize the fun!!

Very good WayOutWest!

I agree ...well except agreeing with HOF

[woogieboogiewoogie]

Hockey does have to be ran like a business in order to succeed. If you don't think there is a business side to hockey you are in a dream world.

In a totally unprecedented move, I am going to side with Ho, on this particular point, anyway.
Hockey associations are ridiculously political, and they simply feed off each other, making things worse. They are self-policed, (and poorly so), filled with folks that lack objectivity, having kids and friend's kids in the program, and there is a boat load of dollars being thrown around. This is a scenario that just begs for corruption, political posturing, and abuse of power. (and many associations get just that)
Youth hockey SHOULD be 99% about playing the game and 1% about the business side of the program, but hockey associations have skewed that percentage greatly. There is FAR too much emphasis on ensuring that enough funds raisers are scheduled, to finance a trip for a bunch of 9 year olds to play in some tournament in Fargo, in lieu of emphasis on ensuring those 9 year olds are merely having an enjoyable experience just playing the game. The business side of youth hockey sucks much of the life right out of the sport. Minimize the business. Maximize the fun!!

Very good WayOutWest!

I thought the having fun part went with out saying. I should have mentioned that too.
I can't disagree with you on the political piece that has always been there and will always be there. We're talking about hockey parents

"there is a boat load of dollars being thrown around" Hence the need for the business part. As for the out of town tournaments not quite sure how those things are decided but I know the kids do look forward to the out of town tournaments.

[woogieboogiewoogie]

HOFam'r,

Not sure what age your kid(s) are but you could have come over to STMA and paid 1300-1400 bucks for squirts or peewees. I think 1500 bucks for Bantams

I think the costs of hockey in District 5 are all pretty much the same.
Just like the old saying "don't know what cha got till it's gone"

Bottom line Hockey is expensive and it does help to have people to volunteer their time to help out with clinics etc. If any association wants the best sometimes that costs $$$$. just my 2 cents

WBW-Not the Point-First and foremost is individual choice...there is no choice in Buffalo you just pay. Secondly, the Association has dug a big financial hole with LARGE mistakes and participation is dropping making hockey three times as expensive as it was just 2 years ago. Hardly, seems like the time to mandate clinic fees (15k) total. Lastly, many of the same people who voted to mandate the clinics did have a personal interest because they were the ones who stood to gain for time they probably would have spent at the rink anyway. When they were found out they decided to volunteer...hmmm...

Does that sound like the best scenario to you? I could honestly careless if people choose to participate in the scenario above and could care less if people got paid to run em...just make sure everyone understands on the upfront what's goin on. If half the Association choose not to participate then the cost to each individual would be double...if the cost was double there might not be many who participate...I get the back side but producing a quality product usually = participation. Many are unaware of what goes on..I am here to inform them.

Since I didn't have anything to do this morning I thought I would look at BYHA's handbook(which looks like it was last updated Oct 2005). On page 7 everything is laid out as to what every kid gets with their registration. So for three years you have been paying for the pre-season clinics and you didn't know it?? I guess I would have thought this thread would have been three years old.

The 15k you mention, what does that come out to be per player? Obviously BYHA has more kids than STMAYH our preseason clinics are around $50 per kid and I would say that maybe 5-10 kids don't participate. If your kid(s)likes/loves hockey 50 bucks turns out to be pretty cheap ice and the kids get to see and hang out with some of their friends they haven't see all summer.

[HOFam'r]

HOFam'r,

Not sure what age your kid(s) are but you could have come over to STMA and paid 1300-1400 bucks for squirts or peewees. I think 1500 bucks for Bantams

I think the costs of hockey in District 5 are all pretty much the same.
Just like the old saying "don't know what cha got till it's gone"

Bottom line Hockey is expensive and it does help to have people to volunteer their time to help out with clinics etc. If any association wants the best sometimes that costs $$$$. just my 2 cents

WBW-Not the Point-First and foremost is individual choice...there is no choice in Buffalo you just pay. Secondly, the Association has dug a big financial hole with LARGE mistakes and participation is dropping making hockey three times as expensive as it was just 2 years ago. Hardly, seems like the time to mandate clinic fees (15k) total. Lastly, many of the same people who voted to mandate the clinics did have a personal interest because they were the ones who stood to gain for time they probably would have spent at the rink anyway. When they were found out they decided to volunteer...hmmm...

Does that sound like the best scenario to you? I could honestly careless if people choose to participate in the scenario above and could care less if people got paid to run em...just make sure everyone understands on the upfront what's goin on. If half the Association choose not to participate then the cost to each individual would be double...if the cost was double there might not be many who participate...I get the back side but producing a quality product usually = participation. Many are unaware of what goes on..I am here to inform them.

Since I didn't have anything to do this morning I thought I would look at BYHA's handbook(which looks like it was last updated Oct 2005). On page 7 everything is laid out as to what every kid gets with their registration. So for three years you have been paying for the pre-season clinics and you didn't know it?? I guess I would have thought this thread would have been three years old.

The 15k you mention, what does that come out to be per player? Obviously BYHA has more kids than STMAYH our preseason clinics are around $50 per kid and I would say that maybe 5-10 kids don't participate. If your kid(s)likes/loves hockey 50 bucks turns out to be pretty cheap ice and the kids get to see and hang out with some of their friends they haven't see all summer.

Okay. you're right. I guess complaining about expenses when the cost of Association Hockey has increased 3x over 2 years is uncalled for and arguing against folks who are interested in running the clinic to pay their families Ice Bills is just totally bazarre. Also, god forbid if famalies are not forced to pay for clinics they view a watse of their kids homework time..I think CNT and WOW just ought to line me up and shoot me. Not such a thing as cheap ice...it all costs the same. 22 bantam skaters in Buffalo this season would indicate a problem in most Associations and possibly send a message that Hockey has been mis-managed in Buffalo.

Just a thought...but then there is a different colored sky in my world....

[Can't Never Tried]

I think CNT just ought to line me up and shoot me.

You know that making several small shallow cuts is more my style!