In regards to OE:
Why does the MSHSL spend so much time and effort messing with people on a subject that affects very few?
Maybe they could put some more effort in promoting and showcasing the exciting sport of grils hockey. Maybe they should try to figure out how to get all of the best teams to the big show. Case in point, LPH's rated team's #1,2,4,8,18; of these teams you will see one at the tournament.
Probably not, at least not the same stuff as those crazy Section 1A fans seem to be on...
Seriously, I couldn't agree more with what you are saying. I've argued elsewhere in these threads for a more equatible section re-alignment, but others have said the MSHSL is more interested in making sure the tournament has representation from all parts of the state, rather than trying to aim for the highest level pf play possible. I suggested that a compromise should be considered, which would maintain northern and southern representation but do something to level the playing field with the metro-based sections. Needless to say, you will never get perfect distribution - some sections will be stronger than others, and the balance amongst sections will shift every few years. But they could at least make some effort to aim for a better tournament, you would think, and hopefully this will be at least a secondary aim when they look at it for next season.
Agree - someone does need to find a method to allow the parents from Edina, Wayzata, Hopkins and BSM to get their kids to the show next year. Having a state tournament filled with undeserving teams from north, south or east parts of the metro like Roseville, Coon Rapids, Centennial, Stillwater, Eagan, AHA totally blows. Who wants to start a petition?
Yes--I also agree. Let's make the state tournament the Hennepin County tournament. But not ALL of Hennepin County--just that part south of Plymouth, west of SLP, and east of Chanhassen. Oh, and nobody from Bloomington either--any decent players who live in Bloomington will transfer out.
Maybe we can convince LPH to have a true state tournament, where the top 10 teams in their ranking go head to head in a double elimination tournament where even if you lose the first game you can come back through the back door to take it all.
Maybe we could have a SWEET 32 kinda like basketball but not starting with 64 teams. Start with 32 that way everyone should be happy. Yea it would take longer but I think everyone would be happy. Take the top rated 32 teams....
What ranking do we use ??? That is the big question. We could let the coachs vote, hmmmmm......?????
SEMetro wrote:Having a state tournament filled with undeserving teams from north, south or east parts of the metro like Roseville, Coon Rapids, Centennial, Stillwater, Eagan, AHA totally blows.
I can see why all of these teams would be very happy to leave things the way they are. Why mix it up with the best when you don't have to?
Right on. At this time of the year, there is simply no way some perpetually unranked north metro team like, say Elk River, will be able to keep up with the #8 in the state team like, say Wayzata. Won't/can't happen. We need to do something.
Understand that at any given year, some sections are going to be loaded and others are not. Even in years past they've had 3 and 4 teams that could viably be the best, get left behind because of a loaded section. Think of the years with Darwitz at Eagan, she had to get past South St. Paul and Roseville to get there, and those teams were always one and two back then.
SEMetro wrote:Right on. At this time of the year, there is simply no way some perpetually unranked north metro team like, say Elk River, will be able to keep up with the #8 in the state team like, say Wayzata. Won't/can't happen. We need to do something.
As we all know, in any one game anything can happen, especially when there's not much on the line (non-conference, section seeds are already set). You have to look at the big picture. For the season Elk River was just two games over .500. Combined, EP, Edina and BSM finished 67-4-4, yet two of these teams will not be represented even though they play in different conferences.
This seems like another case where metro people think that the state doesn't go farther north than St. Cloud or farther south than Owatonna.
It's a STATE TOURNAMENT for the ENTIRE state of Minnesota. Not just for the Metro schools. If you aren't good enough to get out of your section you don't deserve to go to the State Tournament.
We have sections because the Geography of Minnesota doesn't make it economically viable for International Falls to play in Mankato. You play in your region, than the best from every region plays off to see who is the best in the state.
Will you get the best 8 teams in the state? No of course not. But you should end up with the best teams from around the state showcasing the talent level of kids everywhere. Not just select schools in the Metro that do a better job of attracting players to play there.
Agree - Dump n Chase - you don't see the tragedy. EP stacked its teams with a bunch of OE kids and the parents from Edina, Wayzata and BSM are afraid that their kids won't get to the show next year without changing around all the metro sections. Show some compassion.
I'd like to see 2 N MN AA Sections (7AA & 8AA as is), 1 S MN AA section (1AA as is), and 5 metro AA sections seeded by KRACH so that each of the top 5 metro teams get their own section and seed the rest of the teams in a similar fashion.
So - Section 1, 7, & 8 stay as-is.
And, Sections 2-6 get seeded by KRACH:
SECTION 2M:
1 1AA Eden Prairie 2696.784
17 15AA Irondale 102.571
18 11AA Eagan 100.836
38 White Bear Lake 29.406
39 Rob. Armstrong 27.726
55 Apple Valley 13.806
58 Woodbury 12.991
***8th slot a playin between bottom 4 teams in AA:
91 Rob. Cooper 2.095
94 Rogers 1.814
103 Tartan 0.458
107 Bloom. Kennedy 0.300
SECTION 4M:
3 4AA Benilde-St. Margarets 396.972
12 9AA Stillwater 150.283
20 16AA Cretin-Derham Hall 90.127
30 Hastings 46.955
41 Minnetonka 26.131
51 Maple Grove 15.857
65 Bloom. Jefferson 9.908
85 Minneapolis Novas 2.957
SECTION 5M:
4 5AA Academy of Holy Angels 387.917
8 8AA Wayzata 163.716
22 18AA Hopkins 79.938
26 20AA North Metro Stars 60.400
43 Spring Lake Park/St. Anthony 23.810
50 Prior Lake 17.328
68 Andover 8.184
81 St. Paul Blades 4.157
SECTION 6M:
6 3AA Roseville 221.287 4
7 7AA Centennial 192.560 17
24 Hill-Murray Pioneers 70.455 20
25 17AA Burnsville 67.440 28
44 Mounds View 19.105 14
47 North St. Paul Polars 18.466 39
78 Park of Cottage Grove 4.362 11
80 Champlin Park 4.202 23
I'd also like to see the coaches vote replaced with KRACH seeding for Sections. And, also feel the same about seeding STATE using KRACH as to avoid championship games played in the QF.
Of course, I'd really like to see a tiered tourney too though instead of classes, and we know how hated that idea is!
Sorry, I didn't see the metro after the "Undeserving North, South, East, and West." Actually I don't think I made it past South before I felt the need to vent.
Somebody help me out here. Are the Metro sections based on Geography or are they just plucked out of thin air?
Because if they are 8 schools closest together you have no argument to change things. The only way to make things fair and equal is the new open enrollment policy. Which is what the author of this thread wants to keep.
With the number of schools in the metro area there will always be good teams who do not get to go to the state tournament. When you start advocating for more metro schools to get to the show you'll need to take spots from elsewhere which is the outstate spots. Which I do not want to see happen.
ghshockeyfan wrote:I'd also like to see the coaches vote replaced with KRACH seeding for Sections. And, also feel the same about seeding STATE using KRACH as to avoid championship games played in the QF.
Of course, I'd really like to see a tiered tourney too though instead of classes, and we know how hated that idea is!
Maybe instead of A and AA tournaments. Or Tier 1 and Tier 2, or Private and Public tournaments we go to a Metro and an Outstate Tournament. That way the Metro can get 8 teams to the tournament. And outstate teams could just play the game without worrying about all the things happening in the metro.
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