What is wrong with these coaches?

[Betty 99]

Marshall beats Redwood Valley 17-0. New Ulm beats Worthington 13-0, putting 131 shots on goal. Classy move coaches.

[SportsMa]

I assume you are referring to the double digit winning scores and according to the scores posted.... there are a couple more.....don't know what the SOG were but there were more double digit wins than the two you mentioned.


Minnehaha Academy 0 Totino-Grace 12 Section 4A Quarterfinal Game 2
Tartan 0 Roseville 11 Section 2AA Quarterfinal Game 1

[Twinnesota]

I assume you are referring to the double digit winning scores and according to the scores posted.... there are a couple more.....don't know what the SOG were but there were more double digit wins than the two you mentioned.


Minnehaha Academy 0 Totino-Grace 12 Section 4A Quarterfinal Game 2
Tartan 0 Roseville 11 Section 2AA Quarterfinal Game 1

They must all think it's MOMENTUM !!
T

[SportsMa]

I also assume that since it is the beginning of play offs a #1 or #2 seed is playing a much lower seeded team. I was making the observation that there were more double digit play off wins.

Our town's coach implements a 6 pass rule and runs the 3rd and 4th lines primarily when the gals have a healthy lead but even with that implemented teams will score. We are from Northern MN so I really don't know anything about the Southern teams so I am not writing specifically about those southern games.

[Bensonmum]

I attended the Roseville-Tartan game. I will defend the Roseville coaches and players 100%. The score could have been 25-0 easily. I think Roseville did pretty much all they could to keep the game within reason. Their star player and Ms Hockey candidate played only 2-3 shifts after the score became 8-0. She played exactly one shift in the 3rd and I believe that was short-handed. Roseville passed the puck around in the offensive zone and refused to shoot the last 10 minutes of the game. I don't know what more they could have done without making it look like they were laying down. It's a tricky situation. They have to be ready to play on Tuesday, so they can't just tank it. And I know Tartan has good coaches and is still building its program--they'll be OK in a few years, and I don't believe there were any hard feelings after the game.

[SportsMa]

Bensonmum you gave an excellent example of what I was trying to explain.

When you have two mismatched teams, it is tough for both teams.

[Twinnesota]

Bensonmum you gave an excellent example of what I was trying to explain.

When you have two mismatched teams, it is tough for both teams.

I totally agree, but there is NEVER a need for a double digit win.
T

[MNHockeyFan]

Bensonmum you gave an excellent example of what I was trying to explain.

When you have two mismatched teams, it is tough for both teams.

I totally agree, but there is NEVER a need for a double digit win.
T

Everyone would agree that there is never a NEED, but unfortuately sometimes it's just going to happen. The better athletes are trained to do their best and try their hardest, and it's difficult for them to play poorly on purpose or stop trying.

[Twinnesota]

Bensonmum you gave an excellent example of what I was trying to explain.

When you have two mismatched teams, it is tough for both teams.

I totally agree, but there is NEVER a need for a double digit win.
T

Everyone would agree that there is never a NEED, but unfortuately sometimes it's just going to happen. The better athletes are trained to do their best and try their hardest, and it's difficult for them to play poorly on purpose or stop trying.

The better athletes in hockey are quite often the most intelligent, also.
I have seen those "better athletes" many times this year back off when it looks like enough is enough.

Of course, it could go back to rivalry and past history in some cases.
i.e. a U12 team that always got smoked, and now is better than the team that smoked them often in the past, etc...but

You said it---"the better athletes" should know better.

T

[MNHockeyFan]

The "better athletes" are most often the most competitive athletes, and it's hard for competitive people to not compete.

[Twinnesota]

The "better athletes" are most often the most competitive athletes, and it's hard for competitive people to not compete.

OK---you are right, I am wrong...
T

[SportsMa]

I am guessing your "better athletes" are not even on the ice anymore or if they are not shooting when a team hits double digits but I guess it all depends on how the coach coaches in those games, which I think was probably the point by the original post made.

[Twinnesota]

I am guessing your "better athletes" are not even on the ice anymore or if they are not shooting when a team hits double digits but I guess it all depends on how the coach coaches in those games, which I think was probably the point by the original post made.

I have seen teams dump the puck and set up a trap
I have seen teams pass 5 times and then leave the offensive zone.
I have seen the "better athletes" run the clock down in their own zone.

It depends truly in how the coach instructs...the team.

T

[ilblade06]

Marshall beats Redwood Valley 17-0. New Ulm beats Worthington 13-0, putting 131 shots on goal. Classy move coaches.

that goalie has a .900 percent save average. thats pretty impressive.

[hockeydad]

From the Worthington Globe:

New Ulm 13, Worthington 0

NEW ULM — The Worthington Trojans met a force in the New Ulm Eagles Friday and made a quick exit from the Section 3A playoffs.

Tiffany Hoffman paced the Eagles with six goals, followed by Allison Kehren with three goals. Korinne O’Connor added a goal and an assist for the Eagles, who meet the Fairmont Cardinals in the semifinals.

Worthington goaltender Taylor Baumhoefner made a state record 118 saves for the Trojans. The old record for a single-game was 53 by Katie Fedoryk of Austin in 2000.

“It was brutal,” Worthington head coach Tom Ahlberg said. “They’re (New Ulm) a very good team. Taylor was outstanding in goal for us.”

Worthington 0 0 0 — 0

New Ulm 3 9 1 — 13

[hockeydad]

Here is the story from the Marshall Independent:

Interesting, Marshall let their starting goalie skate in the third period and she scored a goal, while one of their forwards played goal in the third.

http://www.marshallindependent.com/spor ... D=9887[url][/url]

[gabT]

I have a hard time with people complainig about teams that run up the score. What is more embarrasing. Playing keep away from a team and not shooting or just playing the game. I know you can play dump and chase and probably not have a scoring opportunity, but to tell competitive athletes to just back off is hard. I say tell the other team to get better

[thefriendlyfan]

Yeah, I don't think you can complain about running the score up in sections because teams need to keep their momentum. If they go easy in their first easy game, they lose momentum for their next game against a tougher team. in sections, teams need to play hard all the way through the game because they have to turn around a few days later and play a tougher team and then a tougher team after that. Also, you know the team you play next is probably watching your game, so there is an intimidation factor as well. You want to give the teams in the stands something to worry about. Maybe during the regular season you can let up once you get a healthy lead, but in sections you have something to prove every single shift... whether it's to the team you're playing or the team in the stands who you might play next

[thefriendlyfan]

Also, teams that are being blown out KNOW when the team that is killing them is letting up or passing 5 times before they shoot or playing their worst line... is it really better to insult the losing team by doing these things, which are usually very obvious, or by just beating them with a high score by playing hard all the way through

[SportsMa]

Guess we will have to agree to disagree.....I don't think it hurts to play the secondary lines more than the primary lines in the scenarios we are writing about and I don't believe that is an insult to anyone. It keeps the primary lines from the greater possibility of getting hurt in a game that is in hand and gives the secondary line athletes some great playing time and experience to build to the future.

If you are the team that is getting beat, then they can have a more competitive period(s) if they are playing against similar players so not sure how that is considered insulting.

The momentum piece is large part mental and there are ways that can be dealt with positively without absolutely blowing out another team with your top line playing full force the whole game.

Bottom line, it does not matter what we fans think~the coaches will coach in accordance with their philosophy and team configuration.

[thefriendlyfan]

hmmm... I'll admit you do have some very valid points there...

I still believe in what I said, but I see your point as well.

You're right, agree to disagree

[badger69]

I agree with Twinnsota on this one. I've seen coaches restrict teams several times. They can say only these people can score that havent had as many goals as the team stars, or you have to make a certain number of passes before a shot. Setting restrictions in easy games helps a team to practice little things like regrouping and thinking a little more than usual. Doing this should keep the score close, even though a team dominated puck control. How do you learn in a game where the players just take shots because they know any kind of shot will go in on a goalie. Some players get greedy in easy games and try to increase their stats by getting a lot of goals. Setting restrictions allows for more team like play. Those players who go out and compete hard every game are known as the more talented hard working players. That means it shouldn't be that hard of a challenge to not score or to make the extra pass, but for some players it is hard. I think restrictions in easy games help a team prepare for harder games. Half of the goals scored in the double digit scoring game would never go in on a hard team you will have to face later on.

Bottom line is restrictions challenge players to doing more than just walking all over a team.

[Twinnesota]

I agree with Twinnsota on this one. I've seen coaches restrict teams several times. They can say only these people can score that havent had as many goals as the team stars, or you have to make a certain number of passes before a shot. Setting restrictions in easy games helps a team to practice little things like regrouping and thinking a little more than usual. Doing this should keep the score close, even though a team dominated puck control. How do you learn in a game where the players just take shots because they know any kind of shot will go in on a goalie. Some players get greedy in easy games and try to increase their stats by getting a lot of goals. Setting restrictions allows for more team like play. Those players who go out and compete hard every game are known as the more talented hard working players. That means it shouldn't be that hard of a challenge to not score or to make the extra pass, but for some players it is hard. I think restrictions in easy games help a team prepare for harder games. Half of the goals scored in the double digit scoring game would never go in on a hard team you will have to face later on.

Bottom line is restrictions challenge players to doing more than just walking all over a team.

Well put. And opposing players are not insulted if a great team plays their 2nd and 3rd lines. This gives everyone a chance to play for the love of the game, and give everyone a chance to improve...especially the poorer team.

T

[badger69]

agreed

[NE14HKY]

131 shots or whatever it was is a little out of hand. Ok maybe, alot out of hand. But when you have a team winning soundly, and playing their third and forth lines, I can guaranty you, that that fourth line is going 100%. Maybe harder. I had the opportunity to be on that fourth line as a freshman. And then on the first line as a junior-senior.
When I actually got a chance to play as a freshman, I didn't care that we were up 10-0. I was getting a chance to play. I wanted to show the coach that I could PLAY. I also realize that there is no I in team.
Now i'm not saying that any of this is "the right thing to do". I'm just looking at it from the player on the fourth line, and she (or he for that matter) is going to give everything they have, whether winning by a dozen or not. JMO