Is QRF Accurate?

[ice29]

I have a simple question about QRF rating system.

First, I know and realize that ratings or rankings are only a measurement and not a realistic guideline. But, how does a (A) team win 2 of their last 6 games and have their QRF increase by 10 pts. The 2 wins were aganist (A) teams with a QRF of less than 33, the last win was against a team with a 30 QRF and QRF increased by 6 pts. Now take a team that has won 4 of their last 6 games, 2 against (AA) schools rated above 50 QRF and 1 loss against a 80 QRF team (by 2 goals) and their QRF over these last 6 games increased by 1.5 pts. It seems that if you are (A) and defeat a (AA) team with an equal or higher QRF nothing changes, but defeat a (A) team with a low QRF and SOS and you are rewarded by the system. I thought that QRF was suppose to be a more realistic tool or system to reward and acknowledge teams for wins by way of SOS,etc.
It seems QRF and LPH ratings or rankings are pretty much equal.

[MNHockeyFan]

This could help explain how the system is intended to work:

http://www.minnesota-scores.net./qrf.php

However as you and others have pointed out, there appears to be some anomalies with the way recent win/loss records seem to affect different teams in different ways. The person that tracks the results did offer some further explanation at the beginning of the QRF Ranking thread if you want to check that.

But as with any computer-based ranking system, the results are only as good as the various weightings that are built in. You point to one example, which is how much should a win over a mediocre A team count vs. maybe a close loss to a good AA club?

[Bensonmum]

Or how about the way Roseville beats EP and SW back-to-back and is still behind them in the ratings? What makes that even more suspect is that Roseville has played the other 4 top-5 teams (besides themselves) a total of 6 games this year (3-3 in those games, including their only 3 losses) but I don't think any of the other top-5 teams have played each other. I'm not going to read the 'logic' behind the QRF coding but obviously SOS isn't weighted very heavily. At least the LPH rankings can inject a little reality into the equation that pure statistics can't.

[Twinnesota]

Or how about the way Roseville beats EP and SW back-to-back and is still behind them in the ratings? What makes that even more suspect is that Roseville has played the other 4 top-5 teams (besides themselves) a total of 6 games this year (3-3 in those games, including their only 3 losses) but I don't think any of the other top-5 teams have played each other. I'm not going to read the 'logic' behind the QRF coding but obviously SOS isn't weighted very heavily. At least the LPH rankings can inject a little reality into the equation that pure statistics can't.

I guess it depend on where you are from
It really comes down to who wins at Sections and State, not the rankings, doesn't it?
T

[hockeywild7]

I understand what you are saying Bensonmum but Roseville did lose to both EP and Stillwater also. Stillwater also did play Edina to a 2-2 tie. Roseville lost to them by a score of 4-0. Rankings are just great for fans to talk about. They don't take into account things that are going on that may make a team play at less than full ability such as illnesses or injuries during the season. I agree with T 100%, in the end the only thing that matters is sections and the state tournament.

[titleist]

I agree with T 100%, in the end the only thing that matters is sections and the state tournament.

Ahhh, but here's a twist, how about after a state tournament, teams that didn't even make the tournament are still ranked higher than teams that participated?? There were teams not in the tournament that were ranked higher than the team that actually represented their section or won their section....how does that work?

[MNHockeyFan]

There were teams not in the tournament that were ranked higher than the team that actually represented their section or won their section....how does that work?

It's because not all sections are created equal. A good example from last year was Eden Prairie, who had won 50-some games in a row, but wasn't in the tournament. Edina and Holy Angels were two other examples of excellent teams that didn't make it. If any of these had been in Section _ or _ (fill in), they probably would have made the tourney and would have had a great chance to win it. We'll see similar examples this year, i.e. Stillwater/Roseville?

[Whatthe]

The differences between LPH and QRF are miniscule. At quick glance the only big benefactor of LPH appears to be Irondale. Hastings is ignored by LPH. Everyone else appears to be within 1-5 spots on both computer and human polls. Consider 70 teams with huge absences of cross-over play, how can one criticize one poll over the other?

Last LPH

1. Roseville
2. Stillwater
3. Grand Rapids/Greenway
4. Eden Prairie
5. Hopkins
6. Edina
7. Holy Angels
7. Irondale
9. Elk River
10. Duluth
11. Eagan
12. Centennial
12. Wayzata
14. Minnetonka
15. Blaine
16. Benilde-St. Marg.
16. Cloquet
18. Hill-Murray
19. Cretin-Derham Hall
19. Eastview

Last QRF

1 Eden Prairie (15-1-1) 90.4
2 Roseville (13-3-1) 88.4
3 Grand Rapids/Greenway (16-1-1) 86.0
4 Stillwater Area (15-1-2) 85.1
5 Edina (12-4-2) 80.9
6 Holy Angels (11-4-0) 79.7
7 Duluth Area (12-3-3) 73.9
8 Hopkins (14-2-2) 71.4
9 Eagan (10-5-1) 70.7
10 Minnetonka (9-6-0) 69.0
11 Centennial (13-4-0) 68.6
12 White Bear Lake (9-6-2) 67.5
13 Elk River (11-2-2) 66.8
14 Wayzata (10-4-5) 66.6
15 Hastings (11-4-1) 65.9
16 Benilde-St. Margaret's (10-6-0) 65.7
17 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (7-8-2) 63.2
18 Hill-Murray (10-4-1) 62.8
19 Blaine (10-7-1) 62.6
20 Moorhead (10-3-1) 62.0
T-21 Irondale (13-2-1) 60.6
T-21 Eastview (14-3-0) 60.6
23 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (11-3-1) 58.5
24 Cretin-Derham Hall (6-8-3) 58.4
25 Burnsville (7-8-2) 57.7

[hockeyrube7]

There were teams not in the tournament that were ranked higher than the team that actually represented their section or won their section....how does that work?

It's because not all sections are created equal. A good example from last year was Eden Prairie, who had won 50-some games in a row, but wasn't in the tournament. Edina and Holy Angels were two other examples of excellent teams that didn't make it. If any of these had been in Section _ or _ (fill in), they probably would have made the tourney and would have had a great chance to win it. We'll see similar examples this year, i.e. Stillwater/Roseville?

Well stated MN! Look at single A also, 5 of the top teams are in two sections, at least according to ratings, and yet only two get to go. You could see a state tournament there with only 3 or so of the best teams invovled.

[Twinnesota]

OK-so as of right now, if the top QRF teams in Class A went to State, it would look like this:

1A-Albert Lea QRF12
2A-Mankato West QRF7
3A-New Ulm QRF14
4A-South St. Paul QRF8
5A-Blake QRF1 [poor Breck ]
6A-Alexandria QRF4
7A-Hibbibg/Chisholm QRF9
8A-Warroad QRF3

So, that's 5 of the top 8...62.5% [not bad]
And that's 6 of the top 9...66.7% [not bad either]
And that's 8 of the top 14...57%

So I say, let Breck and the other losing 8A teams have their own tournament

T

[hockeyrube7]

OK-so as of right now, if the top QRF teams in Class A went to State, it would look like this:

1A-Albert Lea QRF12
2A-Mankato West QRF7
3A-New Ulm QRF14
4A-South St. Paul QRF8
5A-Blake QRF1 [poor Breck ]
6A-Alexandria QRF4
7A-Hibbibg/Chisholm QRF9
8A-Warroad QRF3

So, that's 5 of the top 8...62.5% [not bad]
And that's 6 of the top 9...66.7% [not bad either]
And that's 8 of the top 14...57%

So I say, let Breck and the other losing 8A teams have their own tournament

T

Don't like Breck T-sota? Blake will most likely win that section, I agree. The one that will be curious to watch is 8A I figure. At least for class A. AA will be entertaining in many sections I would guess. Just thought it was interesting that single A will be narrowed down to most only 3 of the top A teams. Gives everyone a shot at the title!

[Twinnesota]

But 5 of the top 8 rated teams....not 3

T

[ice29]

I have a simple question about QRF rating system.

First, I know and realize that ratings or rankings are only a measurement and not a realistic guideline. But, how does a (A) team win 2 of their last 6 games and have their QRF increase by 10 pts. The 2 wins were aganist (A) teams with a QRF of less than 33, the last win was against a team with a 30 QRF and QRF increased by 6 pts. Now take a team that has won 4 of their last 6 games, 2 against (AA) schools rated above 50 QRF and 1 loss against a 80 QRF team (by 2 goals) and their QRF over these last 6 games increased by 1.5 pts.

Just an update on this same question! As-of 1-18-08
(A) team now still has just 2 wins in their last 10 games (no change), the other team has won 7 in their last 10 game (now 3 against AA teams -- 1 against #10 AA).
I can't see a 2-6-2 record having a higher QRF than a 7-3 record over the last 10 games - SOS is just about equal. I'm just looking at numbers not who the teams are.

Good Luck to All Teams, the final 2-week crunch is on!!

[hockeywild7]

i agree with you ice29, they are far from accurate so don't put much stock into them. The QRF system has flaws. The only ranking system I have seen in the past that makes some sense is the KRACH system.

[hocktang]

OK-so as of right now, if the top QRF teams in Class A went to State, it would look like this:

1A-Albert Lea QRF12
2A-Mankato West QRF7
3A-New Ulm QRF14
4A-South St. Paul QRF8
5A-Blake QRF1 [poor Breck ]
6A-Alexandria QRF4
7A-Hibbibg/Chisholm QRF9
8A-Warroad QRF3

So, that's 5 of the top 8...62.5% [not bad]
And that's 6 of the top 9...66.7% [not bad either]
And that's 8 of the top 14...57%

So I say, let Breck and the other losing 8A teams have their own tournament

T

Don't like Breck T-sota? Blake will most likely win that section, I agree. The one that will be curious to watch is 8A I figure. At least for class A. AA will be entertaining in many sections I would guess. Just thought it was interesting that single A will be narrowed down to most only 3 of the top A teams. Gives everyone a shot at the title!

Don't count Breck out! But if blake wins that section fair and square, then there's no reason to feel sorry for them by having them have their own tournament.

[cluelessinminnesota]

Why is it that teams like Elk River and Irondale are ranked highly by the newspapers but are ranked much lower by QRF?

If Irondale played Minnetonka, who would win?

Rankings: January 22, 2008
1 Eden Prairie (19-1-1) 114.4
2 Edina (14-5-2) 106.9
3 Grand Rapids/Greenway (18-2-2) 104.9
4 Roseville (16-3-2) 103.9
5 Holy Angels (16-4-0) 100.4
6 Stillwater Area (17-2-2) 99.4
7 Hopkins (17-3-2) 91.9
8 White Bear Lake (12-7-3) 91.8
9 Eagan (14-6-1) 87.9
10 Centennial (17-4-0) 85.8
11 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (16-3-2) 85.4
12 Hill-Murray (14-5-1) 85.3
13 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (9-8-3) 84.3
14 Duluth Area (12-4-4) 83.7
15 Wayzata (11-5-6) 82.5
16 Benilde-St. Margaret's (14-6-0) 81.2
17 Blaine (14-7-1) 81.0
18 Elk River (14-3-2) 80.8
19 Moorhead (12-5-1) 79.6
20 Minnetonka (12-8-1) 78.6
21 Irondale (17-2-1) 76.2
22 Hastings (14-6-1) 75.7
T-23 Eastview (15-5-1) 74.9
T-23 Burnsville (10-9-2) 74.9
25 Bemidji (11-10-0) 74.8
26 Cretin-Derham Hall (9-8-3) 70.5
27 St. Cloud Tech (11-8-2) 69.6
28 Apple Valley (12-8-1) 68.8
29 Andover (9-9-2) 67.9
30 Chaska (11-8-1) 67.6
31 Rochester Mayo (14-6-1) 67.3
32 Forest Lake (10-10-1) 66.9
33 North St. Paul (12-9-0) 64.5
34 Farmington (11-7-2) 63.9
35 Lakeville North (10-8-3) 62.6
36 Mounds View (8-12-2) 62.2
37 Shakopee (12-9-0) 60.8
38 Coon Rapids (6-11-1) 60.7
39 St. Francis (11-8-2) 60.0
40 Anoka (9-9-2) 59.9
41 Cambridge-Isanti/Mora (12-7-1) 59.5
42 Minneapolis (13-5-3) 58.7
43 Maple Grove (8-11-1) 58.4
44 St. Cloud Icebreakers (12-7-2) 57.4
45 Brainerd (8-10-2) 55.1
46 Park of Cottage Grove (7-12-1) 54.2
47 Buffalo (10-11-0) 54.0
T-48 North Metro (6-15-0) 51.7
T-48 North Wright County (11-8-2) 51.7
50 Lakeville South (6-13-2) 51.0
51 Spring Lake Park (9-12-0) 49.2
52 Rosemount (7-14-0) 48.8
53 Owatonna (9-9-1) 48.5
54 Robbinsdale Armstrong (6-16-0) 47.8
55 Chisago Lakes Area (7-13-1) 46.3
56 Bloomington Jefferson (5-15-1) 46.2
57 St. Paul Blades (9-10-1) 46.0
58 Woodbury (5-17-0) 45.8
59 Prior Lake (5-15-1) 45.6
60 River Lakes (6-12-2) 43.6
61 Bloomington Kennedy (9-11-1) 41.8
62 Dodge County (10-10-0) 41.1
63 Sartell/Sauk Rapids (7-11-1) 39.2
64 Champlin Park (6-13-1) 38.0
65 Rochester John Marshall (6-13-0) 37.8
66 Rogers/Zimmerman (4-15-2) 35.2
67 Winona (6-12-0) 28.2
68 Tartan (2-18-0) 26.1
69 Robbinsdale Cooper (1-20-0) 23.3
70 Rochester Century (0-21-0) 16.8

[MNHockeyFan]

Why is it that teams like Elk River and Irondale are ranked highly by the newspapers but are ranked much lower by QRF?

If Irondale played Minnetonka, who would win?

QRF is a computer-based ranking system that uses a pre-determined formula, with strength of schedule (SOS) figuring heavily into the weightings. The newspaper polls are done by human "experts" and in the case of the StarTribune it's often done by just one individual reporter, except sometimes they do publish the LPH or AP poll.

I believe the QRF system's emphasis on SOS is what leads Irondale and Elk River to be ranked lower than the newspapers. If it weren't SOS then their much better won/loss records, compared to teams like White Bear Lake and Cloquet, would lead them to be ranked much higher than they are.

Re: Irondale vs. Minnetonka I believe it would be a very competitive game. Irondale has been very consistent this year but Minnetonka has played a more difficult schedule.

[hockeywild7]

Looking at the most recent QRF rankings I now know they have a serious flaw in the computer program. How can Edina possibly be ranked that high? I still can't figure out how this system can rank Stillwater behind them. Stillwater should be in the top 3 easily.

[twowayplay]

Minnetonka vs Irondale would be a good game however, I would give Mtka the edge. Remember they play Edina, Hopkins and Wayzata twice each and they played EP. Put those teams on Irondale's schedule and their records might be more similar

[boblee]

AA

Rankings: January 28, 2008
1 Eden Prairie (21-1-1) 122.8
2 Grand Rapids/Greenway (19-3-2) 114.7
3 Edina (15-6-2) 112.2
4 Holy Angels (18-4-0) 110.4
5 Roseville (18-3-2) 110.0
6 Stillwater Area (19-2-2) 107.1
7 Hopkins (19-3-2) 103.8
8 Centennial (18-4-0) 99.7
9 White Bear Lake (13-7-3) 97.4
10 Duluth Area (14-4-4) 95.6
11 Eagan (15-7-1) 93.3
12 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (10-9-3) 93.0
13 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (17-4-2) 92.2
14 Hill-Murray (16-5-1) 89.3
15 Minnetonka (13-8-1) 89.1
16 Wayzata (11-7-6) 88.7
17 Blaine (15-8-1) 88.6
18 Benilde-St. Margaret's (16-6-0) 86.9
19 Elk River (15-5-2) 86.6
20 Bemidji (12-11-0) 83.6
21 Moorhead (14-6-1) 83.5
22 Hastings (16-6-1) 82.7
23 Eastview (17-5-1) 82.5
24 Irondale (18-3-1) 81.6
25 Burnsville (10-10-2) 80.0
26 Andover (11-9-2) 76.5
27 St. Cloud Tech (13-8-2) 75.9
28 Rochester Mayo (15-6-1) 75.8
29 Cretin-Derham Hall (9-10-3) 75.5
30 Apple Valley (13-9-1) 73.7
T-31 Forest Lake (10-11-1) 72.4
T-31 Chaska (11-9-1) 72.4
33 Farmington (13-7-2) 71.6
34 North St. Paul (14-9-0) 70.2
35 Coon Rapids (7-12-1) 69.7
36 Anoka (10-10-2) 69.2
37 Shakopee (13-10-0) 68.7
38 Lakeville North (11-9-3) 68.2
39 Mounds View (8-13-2) 66.9
40 Cambridge-Isanti/Mora (13-9-1) 66.8
41 Maple Grove (9-13-1) 64.3
42 St. Francis (12-9-2) 63.9
43 Buffalo (12-11-0) 63.8
44 Minneapolis (13-6-3) 63.3
45 St. Cloud Icebreakers (13-7-3) 63.2
46 Brainerd (9-11-2) 61.6
47 Park of Cottage Grove (8-14-1) 61.1
48 North Metro (8-15-0) 59.6
49 Lakeville South (7-14-2) 57.5
50 Chisago Lakes Area (8-15-1) 57.0
51 North Wright County (12-9-2) 56.4
52 Spring Lake Park (10-13-1) 56.1
53 Rosemount (9-14-0) 55.2
54 Robbinsdale Armstrong (6-17-0) 54.2
55 River Lakes (6-14-3) 51.1
56 Owatonna (9-11-1) 50.8
57 Bloomington Jefferson (5-17-1) 50.5
58 Woodbury (5-18-0) 49.8
59 Prior Lake (5-17-1) 48.6
60 St. Paul Blades (10-11-1) 47.8
61 Bloomington Kennedy (9-13-1) 45.7
62 Champlin Park (7-15-1) 45.4
63 Dodge County (11-10-0) 45.1
64 Sartell/Sauk Rapids (8-12-1) 41.1
65 Rochester John Marshall (6-14-0) 39.9
66 Rogers/Zimmerman (5-16-2) 39.8
67 Winona (6-14-0) 30.5
68 Tartan (2-20-0) 30.1
69 Robbinsdale Cooper (2-22-0) 25.9
70 Rochester Century (0-21-0) 18.0

A

1 Blake (20-0-3) 135.4
2 Warroad (17-4-2) 116.7
3 Alexandria (19-1-2) 113.6
4 Roseau (17-4-2) 110.7
5 Breck (16-5-2) 109.0
6 Hibbing/Chisholm (9-12-2) 90.9
7 Crookston (15-6-1) 88.8
8 Mankato West (16-5-0) 87.5
9 South St. Paul (13-10-0) 87.1
10 Silver Bay (12-10-1) 86.2
11 New Prague (15-7-1) 80.5
12 Mound-Westonka (16-5-2) 80.3
13 Albert Lea (14-7-0) 77.7
14 New Ulm (12-8-2) 76.1
15 Marshall (16-5-0) 73.3
16 Henry Sibley (11-12-0) 70.5
17 Austin (13-8-0) 70.3
18 Hutchinson (12-9-1) 68.5
19 St. Paul United (11-8-3) 67.0
20 Richfield (8-14-1) 62.9
21 East Grand Forks (13-9-0) 62.8
22 Simley (10-13-0) 59.2
23 Faribault (10-11-0) 59.0
24 Northfield (8-15-0) 56.5
25 Orono (8-15-0) 53.9
26 Red Wing (5-18-0) 53.6
27 Totino-Grace (6-17-0) 53.2
28 Fergus Falls (6-14-2) 52.5
29 Morris Area/Benson/Minnewaska Area (14-4-0) 52.0
30 St. Louis Park (5-16-2) 51.8
31 Mahtomedi (7-16-0) 50.9
32 Willmar (9-12-0) 48.8
33 International Falls (11-11-1) 48.7
34 L-H/St. Peter/Le Center (13-8-0) 48.6
35 Eveleth-Gilbert (14-7-1) 48.2
36 Luverne (10-11-0) 47.7
37 Detroit Lakes (7-14-0) 46.7
38 St. Paul Saints (6-15-0) 45.0
39 Thief River Falls (6-16-0) 44.3
40 LP-GE/W-DC (12-7-1) 42.6
41 Princeton (4-18-1) 40.7
42 Moose Lake Area (6-13-2) 37.6
43 Minnehaha Academy (4-18-0) 37.1
44 Litchfield/D-C (3-21-0) 36.8
45 Park Rapids/Menahga/Nevis (2-16-0) 34.1
46 Lake of the Woods (2-19-2) 32.4
47 East Range (9-10-0) 31.8
48 Fairmont (7-8-0) 29.7
49 Little Falls (2-18-1) 26.7
50 Mankato East (4-18-0) 25.3
51 Waseca (4-16-0) 21.6
52 Windom Area (4-16-0) 19.5
53 Worthington (0-11-1) 19.0
54 Redwood Valley (0-10-1) 13.0


Hibbing continues to be ranked way too high in every poll in my opinion.

[Thunderbird77]

Please explain this regarding QRF. Hopkins beats GRG 2-1. GRG rises in the rankings from 3 to 2. Hopkins stays ranked 7.

The night before, GRG squeaks out a victory against 5th ranked Breck, 4-3, where Breck is an A team. Is this the difference?

[ice29]

AA

Rankings: January 28, 2008
1 Eden Prairie (21-1-1) 122.8
2 Grand Rapids/Greenway (19-3-2) 114.7
3 Edina (15-6-2) 112.2
4 Holy Angels (18-4-0) 110.4
5 Roseville (18-3-2) 110.0
6 Stillwater Area (19-2-2) 107.1
7 Hopkins (19-3-2) 103.8
8 Centennial (18-4-0) 99.7
9 White Bear Lake (13-7-3) 97.4
10 Duluth Area (14-4-4) 95.6 Also a 2-1 WIN
11 Eagan (15-7-1) 93.3
12 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (10-9-3) 93.0
13 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (17-4-2) 92.2
14 Hill-Murray (16-5-1) 89.3
15 Minnetonka (13-8-1) 89.1

A

1 Blake (20-0-3) 135.4
2 Warroad (17-4-2) 116.7
3 Alexandria (19-1-2) 113.6
4 Roseau (17-4-2) 110.7
5 Breck (16-5-2) 109.0
6 Hibbing/Chisholm (9-12-2) 90.9 Also a 3-1 WIN
7 Crookston (15-6-1) 88.8
8 Mankato West (16-5-0) 87.5
9 South St. Paul (13-10-0) 87.1
10 Silver Bay (12-10-1) 86.2
11 New Prague (15-7-1) 80.5
12 Mound-Westonka (16-5-2) 80.3
13 Albert Lea (14-7-0) 77.7
14 New Ulm (12-8-2) 76.1
15 Marshall (16-5-0) 73.3

Hibbing continues to be ranked way too high in every poll in my opinion.

*Bold indicates loses and wins by Silver Bay (not complete schedule)

This is why I asked the Inital Question on this thread. It has been read 1546 times, responded to 20 times, and still has no legitiment answers. IMO
*Hibbing is 4-6-2 in last 12 games, no AA wins, 2 AA ties.
*Silver Bay is 8-4-0, with 3 AA wins - Duluth, Forest Lake, Cambridge
Both teams split wins over the season with each other. Hibbing beats Silver Bay in their last contest and go from #10 to #6 and Silver Bay goes from #7 to #10. Silver Bay and Hibbing both play a very strong AA opponent schedule (# of AA games), one of the toughest in the north for A schools. Does QRF give too much strength to ties and opponents SOS after the game.

Good Luck to both Teams in Section 7A Play-offs - one will be in the Big Show

[ice29]

AA

Rankings: January 28, 2008
1 Eden Prairie (21-1-1) 122.8
2 Grand Rapids/Greenway (19-3-2) 114.7
3 Edina (15-6-2) 112.2
4 Holy Angels (18-4-0) 110.4
5 Roseville (18-3-2) 110.0
6 Stillwater Area (19-2-2) 107.1
7 Hopkins (19-3-2) 103.8
8 Centennial (18-4-0) 99.7
9 White Bear Lake (13-7-3) 97.4
10 Duluth Area (14-4-4) 95.6 Also a 2-1 WIN
11 Eagan (15-7-1) 93.3
12 Cloquet/Esko/Carlton (10-9-3) 93.0
13 Proctor/Herm./Dul. Marshall (17-4-2) 92.2
14 Hill-Murray (16-5-1) 89.3
15 Minnetonka (13-8-1) 89.1

A

1 Blake (20-0-3) 135.4
2 Warroad (17-4-2) 116.7
3 Alexandria (19-1-2) 113.6
4 Roseau (17-4-2) 110.7
5 Breck (16-5-2) 109.0
6 Hibbing/Chisholm (9-12-2) 90.9 Also a 3-1 WIN
7 Crookston (15-6-1) 88.8
8 Mankato West (16-5-0) 87.5
9 South St. Paul (13-10-0) 87.1
10 Silver Bay (12-10-1) 86.2
11 New Prague (15-7-1) 80.5
12 Mound-Westonka (16-5-2) 80.3
13 Albert Lea (14-7-0) 77.7
14 New Ulm (12-8-2) 76.1
15 Marshall (16-5-0) 73.3

Hibbing continues to be ranked way too high in every poll in my opinion.

*Bold indicates loses and wins by Silver Bay (not complete schedule)

This is why I asked the Inital Question on this thread. It has been read 1546 times, responded to 20 times, and still has no legitiment answers. IMO
*Hibbing is 4-6-2 in last 12 games, no AA wins, 2 AA ties.
*Silver Bay is 8-4-0, with 3 AA wins - Duluth, Forest Lake, Cambridge
Both teams split wins over the season with each other. Hibbing beats Silver Bay in their last contest and go from #10 to #6 and Silver Bay goes from #7 to #10. Silver Bay and Hibbing both play a very strong AA opponent schedule (# of AA games), one of the toughest in the north for A schools. Does QRF give too much strength to ties and opponents SOS after the game.
I realize it is just a measuring tool, yard stick or a pat-on-the-back for players to gauge themselves against others and more important to reward themselves for excellent play and games. It means nothing toward sectional playoffs or state. It is for coaches, parents, and fans to use as a discussion tool - for the good and the bad.

Good Luck to both Teams in Section 7A Play-offs - one will be in the Big Show

[keepitreal]

Not sure if this is the answer, but my guess is how QRF assesses game results based not only on wins and losses, but scoring differential. I believe a couple of blowout wins or losses or an overall trend of close games, can affect the ranking to a significant degree under this model, as can scoring differential against common opponents. And as we all know, score differential can be affected by a number of factors such as a few empty net goals, injuries, or playing of backup players that made a game appear closer than it really was. I'm not going to analyze Silver Bay and Hibbing's game results to verify this (be my guest), but this might be the X-factor you're overlooking in your question.

I wouldn't get too lathered up about these statistical rankings. A formula could be tweaked to skew the results in a number of ways. QRF is simply one formula that the author has determined to be their best approximation based on the entire season to date. It's objective and unbiased, which is what's good, but if you don't agree with underlying criteria such as the goal differential factor or how the model weights games between the classes, it's probably going to yield results you don't agree with or some that seem "off".

An aside-- one major factor that is overlooked in a model such as this is how a team is performing now versus earlier in the year. A more sophisticated model might weigh recent results higher than those in November as the season moves ahead-- this is the thinking behind a "power ranking". QRF is more like the Bowl Championship Series computer ranking that weighs season-long results evenly.

Here's a riddle: If A beats B, and B beats C, but C beats A, who is the best? Answer: whoever won on February 23rd

[keepitreal]

Please explain this regarding QRF. Hopkins beats GRG 2-1. GRG rises in the rankings from 3 to 2. Hopkins stays ranked 7.

The night before, GRG squeaks out a victory against 5th ranked Breck, 4-3, where Breck is an A team. Is this the difference?

GRG beats Edina 3-1 in December. Edina beats Hopkins 5-1 a couple of weeks ago. Hopkins "squeaks out" as you say, a win over GRG 2-1 in OT. Around and around we go...