Mn Hockey's very own AAA Team?

[mnticketbroker]

Did anyone else receive a brochure for a invite to tryout for the Northern Edge Nationals AAA team yesterday in the mail? It lists the staff and I see Mn Hockeys executive director is on the programs staff. Did this get mailed to every 94-99 registered player in Mn Hockey? http://www.neehs.com/nationals.2008.asp

Are these teams currently very good? It seems late this year to get started recruiting. The tournaments for each team are listed, and they show corporate sponsorship ( to what extent ) is unknown. Is this a start of tier 1 by Mn Hockey, and the team's strength is shown in fall 2008?

[O-townClown]

Area code 636 is near St. Louis.

[sorno82]

They sent out brochures to every registered MN hockey kid.

[crossovers8]

Just another summer team with some camps looking to make $. They do try to pull a few kids in from other parts of the country and did have teams competing in a few tournaments or so last summer. From the games I observed, the "Nats" weren't very impressive. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the 94's went to Chicago and were spanked by the Mission 17-0. Definitely not Tier 1.

[54fighting]

The 94' version of the Northern Edge Nationals lost to the Mission team from Chicago 18-0 last year.
How many "AAA" teams are there from MN now.

At the 94' level-
Blades
North Stars
Team Easton
Team Midwest
Christian Bros
Blackhawks
Ice Devels
Magicians
Reebok
Lightning
Northern Edge
Minnesota Edge
Cyclones
Northern Wings
Lake Superior Stars
Plus all of the showcase league teams and I am sure I missed a few.

The term "watered down" comes to mind.

[gilmour]

must have some money behind them to do a direct mail campaign vs. what everyone else does (get in your car and drive to see so-and-so)...also direct mail is wasted money if they are trying to recruit now.

it will be interesting to see if they can pull this together - what I find interesting is these teams market the playing experience of their coaching staff as if that is more important than commitment to the program, proper organization, determination to ensure their players (and their parents) are receiving a fair return on their investment.

Personally, I don't care how great of player you are, if you don't care about connecting with the kids because all you are in it for is the $$$ than what is the point.

[hockey129]

[quote="54fighting"]The 94' version of the Northern Edge Nationals lost to the Mission team from Chicago 18-0 last year.
How many "AAA" teams are there from MN now.

At the 94' level-
Blades
North Stars
Team Easton
Team Midwest
Christian Bros
Blackhawks
Ice Devels
Magicians
Reebok
Lightning
Northern Edge
Minnesota Edge
Cyclones
Northern Wings
Lake Superior Stars
Plus all of the showcase league teams and I am sure I missed a few.

The term "watered down" comes to mind.[/quote]

There are much more smaller teams than this, I dont really know the names but i do know about the Rockets, and all of those woodbury teams.

[boardmember]

They sent out brochures to every registered MN hockey kid.

If this is true? I wonder how they got ahold of a list of all registered MN Hockey players. I would think a list like that is "protected" by Minnesota Hockey, the Districts, the Associations.

[Tenoverpar]

I think we'll find out what's what at the 94 age group AAA when the Meltdown rolls around. It should be one heck of a tournament with many of the top 94's in Minnesota matching up. We all know this yeargroup is still a little young to judge, but this summer is a turning point for many of these young men and their hockey as they head into their second or first Bantam year and many into high school.

[mn has a nba team?]

sorno82 wrote:
They sent out brochures to every registered MN hockey kid.


If this is true? I wonder how they got ahold of a list of all registered MN Hockey players. I would think a list like that is "protected" by Minnesota Hockey, the Districts, the Associations.


Well the original post showed a link the the teams site : Mn Hockey exec on the team coaching staff, and the all Mn Hockey players got this?
I guess the non recruiting for AAA during mn hockey season has been put to rest with this. Tryouts are before the end of Mn Hockey season.

[sorno82]

I called and asked. They said they sent out 12,000 brochures. My older son got one, my younger, who is a mini mite, did not. Proabably all Minnesota players who are within the birth years they are looking for.

[boardmember]

I called and asked. They said they sent out 12,000 brochures. My older son got one, my younger, who is a mini mite, did not. Proabably all Minnesota players who are within the birth years they are looking for.

I conducted an informal phone survey tonight. I called 3 families that skate with the Fire (from MN)and 3 families that skate Association this year. Now this just may be a fluke but none of the Fire families received that flyer. All Association families received that flyer??

I estimate that MN had over 24,000+ registered players this year. To send out flyers to 12,000 families but miss Fire players and mites take a pretty accurate list of 2007/2008 registered Mn Players.

Thats some pretty heavy marketing power having a list like that. Especially for a AAA club just starting out the the Minnesota Market. I bet Showcase would love to have a list like that.

I'm trying to remember how much personal information I had to share when registering???......Birth dates, phone numbers, addresses, insurance information,Credit card # when paying the fee.....Good thing its all safe and secure!!

[mnticketbroker]

It would be nice to know how much of our Mn Hockey registration fee went to pay for the postage, or will we all get a discount because they sold their list to NEEC for such a sweet deal

[spin-o-rama]

I would like to know MH's policy for sharing/selling mailing lists.

Elliott, can you answer that one?

[elliott70]

I would like to know MH's policy for sharing/selling mailing lists.

Elliott, can you answer that one?

MH does not share or sell without full board approval, that would not happen unless it was fro the direct benefit of all players on the list.

I and another are looking into this.

[spin-o-rama]

Elliott, Thank you!

[HockeyFan55]

If a direct mailing was sent to these kids,

1) Is the Ex Director responsible?
2) Who paid for What?
3) Has MN Hockey demanded his resignation?

With screening, etc, PRIVACY OF MINORS is a priority. Where does this fit in?

[Can't Never Tried]

I am sure that this is going to get a serious look.
And someone (or many) is in big trouble. And may very well go beyond the hockey circles.

One other thing elliott.... you had said if it were for the "direct benefit of the whole membership".
I know what you mean...but I don't think that matters anyway.
We're dealing with peoples privacy here.

Don't all the people involved in the programs now need backround checks??
Now those childrens information has been compromised, or as we like to say in my business (out of a state of control).

This is going to open a much larger can of worms.....I can just see it.

elliott I'm just commenting to you, and in no way saying you had anything, to do with, or knowledge of this, so don't look at it the wrong way.

[watchdog]

big deal names and adresses are easy to obtain. age is also not difficult its a mailing just like a ton of other junk just throw it in the trash can for pete sakes.

[mnticketbroker]

the executive member from Mn Hockey has had his name [b]disappear[/b] from the website overnight... poof.... it is gone. It would be nice to hear why.
Our envelopes were hand written..12,000 of them sent out that way ? ouch

http://www.neehs.com/nationals.2008.asp

[Bronc]

big deal names and adresses are easy to obtain. age is also not difficult its a mailing just like a ton of other junk just throw it in the trash can for pete sakes.

I agree, looks like a mountain out of a mole hill being made.

[hockey129]

[quote="boardmember"][quote="sorno82"]They sent out brochures to every registered MN hockey kid.[/quote]

If this is true? I wonder how they got ahold of a list of all registered MN Hockey players. I would think a list like that is "protected" by Minnesota Hockey, the Districts, the Associations.[/quote]



if their names were protected tou wouldn't be able to go on the website for the association and look at the team rosters.

[Can't Never Tried]

big deal names and adresses are easy to obtain. age is also not difficult its a mailing just like a ton of other junk just throw it in the trash can for pete sakes.

It has nothing to do whether or not it's a big deal in your mind dog, it's private information, taken without permission and given to someone else.

You (we) gave the information to MN hockey because it's required to play, no one else, and they have no right to do so without your consent.
Bottom line.

In this day of identity theft why wouldn't it be a big deal?

Besides it's not just the kids info it's the parents.

[elliott70]

The list they used was not obtained from MN Hockey.

Mark Jorgensen had not approved the brochure and the way his name was being used.

Jorgensen will not be involved in the program until after MAHA state tournament. At that point he will serve as a goalie coach for all the teams and not represent any single team. His activity will not interfere with his postion in MN Hockey. It will be on the agenda for discussion in Apirl at the meeting.

[elliott70]

One other thing elliott.... you had said if it were for the "direct benefit of the whole membership".
I know what you mean...but I don't think that matters anyway.
We're dealing with peoples privacy here.

That is the only basis that would be considered.
It has never been brought up for consideration.