Should Bernie McBain join the board of Minnesota Hockey?
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mnticketbroker
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tomASS, I'll take this as a valid question. This guys gets results. Sure he makes money. You cannot argue the point he develops players. A number of kids from our association have been going to Bernie for years. They are much better for doing so. With that said the association benefits.tomASS wrote:His time would be better spent on his business plan
The beauty of Minnesota made. Is the fact that Bernie does things his way. Everyone knows what to expect when they sign up.
Really pretty simple. By the looks of the Choice Mite program. Parents like the program. Not to mention next year there will be even more kids trying out for his Mite league.
More ice time for less money
Better coaching for less money
Playing 16 squirt style games with penalties and referee
Expose the kids to other kids and coaches
Expose the kids to other opporunities with AAA teams, 3 on 3 teams ect...
I'm not sure why people wouldn't jump at the opporunity.
Associations, Keep in mind that these kids will return better skaters. It's a simple fact that most Mite programs don't do a good job at developing Mite aged skaters. After all, that's the goal is to develop the kids. Let them have fun. Win!
Foiling up Coach!
Bernie has a big job doing what he does and what he is trying to expand.
A lot of what MN Hockey does is not related (directly) to the things Bernie does.
So unless Bernie wants to compromise some of his thought process and give up some time, I would say 'No'.
Having said that, I would hope there would be more people wanting to be on the Board and coming forward and taking steps to do that.
Having said those things, Mn Hockey is/will be talking with Bernie about serving or assisting with certain committees.
A lot of what MN Hockey does is not related (directly) to the things Bernie does.
So unless Bernie wants to compromise some of his thought process and give up some time, I would say 'No'.
Having said that, I would hope there would be more people wanting to be on the Board and coming forward and taking steps to do that.
Having said those things, Mn Hockey is/will be talking with Bernie about serving or assisting with certain committees.
I second that motion. Bernie would be fantastic? I'm curious. Elliot with respect. Who says Bernie needs to compromise some of his thought processes? What if he is doing things the right way? Many people like his approach to youth hockey.elliott70 wrote:Bernie has a big job doing what he does and what he is trying to expand.
A lot of what MN Hockey does is not related (directly) to the things Bernie does.
So unless Bernie wants to compromise some of his thought process and give up some time, I would say 'No'.
Having said that, I would hope there would be more people wanting to be on the Board and coming forward and taking steps to do that.
Having said those things, Mn Hockey is/will be talking with Bernie about serving or assisting with certain committees.
Foiling up Coach!
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Marty McSorely
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BM
Maybe he'll make some decisions on the tough things and get MN Hockey moving forward.
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Pucknutz69
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I know USA hockey was very interested in the way Bernie teachs and what he teaches. It would be a move in the right direction getting him involved in some way, shape or form.
By compromizing his thoughts, do you mean he would have to tune it down a little. That is what makes him effective is the discipline he uses during his coaching and the way he breaks it down.
I will say this when he was just starting out his stuff was more effective. he has gotten too spread out with the AAA teams, the mite deal, the school and running a rink. He is never at his clinics any more. The other guys teach the same way it's just not as good for some reason.
By compromizing his thoughts, do you mean he would have to tune it down a little. That is what makes him effective is the discipline he uses during his coaching and the way he breaks it down.
I will say this when he was just starting out his stuff was more effective. he has gotten too spread out with the AAA teams, the mite deal, the school and running a rink. He is never at his clinics any more. The other guys teach the same way it's just not as good for some reason.
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Truthbetold
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Slasher/Boogey,
I would hope that any parent that spent a ton more money on hockey and the hours would become a better player. If that is your "Choice" by all means do it! A few parents that sent their kids to Bernie this winter said they basically do the same things that their association does, they just do it more often. I prefer to keep the kid in association hockey in the winter and things like Bernie or others offers in the summer to a limited degree.
If Bernie wanted to serve on the MN Board to help improve all and not just him, I would not object.
I would hope that any parent that spent a ton more money on hockey and the hours would become a better player. If that is your "Choice" by all means do it! A few parents that sent their kids to Bernie this winter said they basically do the same things that their association does, they just do it more often. I prefer to keep the kid in association hockey in the winter and things like Bernie or others offers in the summer to a limited degree.
If Bernie wanted to serve on the MN Board to help improve all and not just him, I would not object.
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hockeyparent11
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Youth hockey across the state has many answers for a varied public consumer. One answer does not fit all. Bermie, like me, comes from an organizatin where he is in charge. At MH, compromise, an open mind is necessary or yuo will not get anywhere with things that are important to you becawsue there is a variety of view points. It also takes time and can be frustrating for those used to making a decions and moving forward quickly. It does not mean giving up our principles but rather listening to ideas that you may be completely against but have to learn to deal with as that is the way things are done somewhere else. (You do not always get your way).slasher wrote:I second that motion. Bernie would be fantastic? I'm curious. Elliot with respect. Who says Bernie needs to compromise some of his thought processes? What if he is doing things the right way? Many people like his approach to youth hockey.elliott70 wrote:Bernie has a big job doing what he does and what he is trying to expand.
A lot of what MN Hockey does is not related (directly) to the things Bernie does.
So unless Bernie wants to compromise some of his thought process and give up some time, I would say 'No'.
Having said that, I would hope there would be more people wanting to be on the Board and coming forward and taking steps to do that.
Having said those things, Mn Hockey is/will be talking with Bernie about serving or assisting with certain committees.
Re: BM
Marty McSorely wrote:Maybe he'll make some decisions on the tough things and get MN Hockey moving forward.
One person does not make the decisions (I wish).
And usually, one decision needs to be modified because there is a difference across the state, across the city line.
Truthbetold- I've heard a couple parents on our team make the claim that their association does the same thing. No way! Not even close. I can promise you that the talent at any association in the metro doesn't compare to the Choice Mite league at Minnesota made. My son has played both in our association and Choice Mite league. Please believe me when I say it's not even close to being the same. I'm not being critical of my association. They just don't compare.Truthbetold wrote:Slasher/Boogey,
I would hope that any parent that spent a ton more money on hockey and the hours would become a better player. If that is your "Choice" by all means do it! A few parents that sent their kids to Bernie this winter said they basically do the same things that their association does, they just do it more often. I prefer to keep the kid in association hockey in the winter and things like Bernie or others offers in the summer to a limited degree.
If Bernie wanted to serve on the MN Board to help improve all and not just him, I would not object.
Keep in mind that these kids are playing with kids that are all in the same talent pool. Every team at Minnesota made would beat most squirt "C" teams.
The kids at Minnesota made are playing squirt style games. What other association does that?
I don't fault anyone that wants to play for their association. I think that's fine. In fact, I personally don't care where any kids play hockey. That is the decision of the family involved.
As for spending tons of money?
Local association = 45 hours of ice time
Minnesota made = 100 hours of ice time
Local association = $13.48 dollars each ice time
Minnesota made = $8.95 dollars each ice time
For twice as many ice times. I pay less money. No strings attached.
The kids skate one weekday a week. The kids have squirt style games on Saturday that last 1.5 hours. On Sundays the kids practice again. The kids started skating in October until March 22nd. The kids get over 4 hours of ice time a week.
No fundraising!
Kids get team pictures!
Kids get personalized pictures!
Kid get jerseys!
Keep in mind. I have no intent on making my kid a DI, pro player or even a squirt "A" player. If I have to pay a lot of money for hockey. I want him to learn the game the right way. Once again. I'm not taking any shots at any association. All the coaches at Minnesota made are former player that know the game. Bernie creates the practice plans that all the coaches follow.
I've heard there will be a good turnout for next years choice league tryouts.
To each his own.
Foiling up Coach!
You're thinking of this 'bored'. The question pertained to the state youth hockey board of directors................too much MM kool-aid?hkymomx5 wrote:It would be wonderful if Bernie joined the board! I would love to read some real insights to the ways of hockey to pass on to my kids. It would be a refreshing change to alot of the silly post on the board.
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If there were no personal, financial incentive for Bernie, I doubt he'd be interested. He's a businessman and a darn good one. Let's leave the future of MN Youth hockey up to people who care about A,B and C level kids and not just the "Choice" few who have parents willing to pay ridiculous amounts of money for their dream to have their kid play in the NHL. Slasher/Boogey - it will be interesting to see how you kid makes out over the long haul - I wish him luck but think you'll have more insight to add when you have a HS player and a lot more experience. You should listen to the experience on this board. You may not actually have all the answers. I think your kid is missing out on the community aspect of youth hockey. Leave the Choice leagues for summer AAA.
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Slasher/BoogeyDan/ : "beat most C squirt teams" the choice league is a advanced mite league made up of kids that have parents willing to drive that far... not unlike the FIRE.. The quote of beating most C squirt teams is not a endorsement for the league. Take any twin cities suburb or decent size, decent program and create a advance mite team: they would beat MOST squirt C teams. If you had been down the street and around the block you could say these choice team made up of 2nd & 3rd graders at Mn Made would finish above .500 in league play in squirt b district 6, 8, 10, or 3. Now you got something.
Doglover : while your intention may have been correct you suggested
"mn hockey cares about the C,B, and A player" Many people would dispute that. I am not so sure they have done anything to promote the whole any more than BmCBain has tried to line his pockets. MnHock is a large puppet of USA Hockey.... They have their faults, and like USA Hockey are trying to win a gold medal. " A good businessman"... ummm
a good businessman would be liquid, a good employee would make the businessman money, in the near future I think you will see BMcbn as the employee.
- Why doesnt Mn HOCKEY say : mites do not need to be registered with USA HOCKEY ? The cost for a player to enter hockey may have just dropped to down to $50 at the association level. They would get thousands of more kindergartners to sign up for hockey. But for $40 a mite gets a magazine ( advertising) and secondary insurance ( costs to usa hockey is under $4 a kid). The new mite allow them to have their winter meeting in Orlando and also by more training , more airline tickets for National Development Program in Ann Arbor... to pay for the training of one more Phil Kessell.
Doglover : while your intention may have been correct you suggested
"mn hockey cares about the C,B, and A player" Many people would dispute that. I am not so sure they have done anything to promote the whole any more than BmCBain has tried to line his pockets. MnHock is a large puppet of USA Hockey.... They have their faults, and like USA Hockey are trying to win a gold medal. " A good businessman"... ummm
a good businessman would be liquid, a good employee would make the businessman money, in the near future I think you will see BMcbn as the employee.
- Why doesnt Mn HOCKEY say : mites do not need to be registered with USA HOCKEY ? The cost for a player to enter hockey may have just dropped to down to $50 at the association level. They would get thousands of more kindergartners to sign up for hockey. But for $40 a mite gets a magazine ( advertising) and secondary insurance ( costs to usa hockey is under $4 a kid). The new mite allow them to have their winter meeting in Orlando and also by more training , more airline tickets for National Development Program in Ann Arbor... to pay for the training of one more Phil Kessell.
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If you picked up the phone and called Mnmade you would find out that the guy has no interest in any Mn Hockey board position.
He has met with people from Mn Hockey and they ask him what he thought about hockey in Minnesota. He said it was a good meeting. He is a very strong supporter of USA Hockey. They have done alot for his son, but you have to remember he pulled his son out of assocation hockey after first year Peewees and sent him to Shattuck because he felt opportunities were limited.
The word is that their third rink should opening in November. They said they have been meeting with contractors this week and are getting all of their ducks in a row to break ground this spring. I don't think you will see him as an employee.
Bernie and Mnmade are not for everyone, but they have never tried to be. Take them or leave them.
He has met with people from Mn Hockey and they ask him what he thought about hockey in Minnesota. He said it was a good meeting. He is a very strong supporter of USA Hockey. They have done alot for his son, but you have to remember he pulled his son out of assocation hockey after first year Peewees and sent him to Shattuck because he felt opportunities were limited.
The word is that their third rink should opening in November. They said they have been meeting with contractors this week and are getting all of their ducks in a row to break ground this spring. I don't think you will see him as an employee.
Bernie and Mnmade are not for everyone, but they have never tried to be. Take them or leave them.
Iceman23- Well said!iceman23 wrote:If you picked up the phone and called Mnmade you would find out that the guy has no interest in any Mn Hockey board position.
He has met with people from Mn Hockey and they ask him what he thought about hockey in Minnesota. He said it was a good meeting. He is a very strong supporter of USA Hockey. They have done alot for his son, but you have to remember he pulled his son out of assocation hockey after first year Peewees and sent him to Shattuck because he felt opportunities were limited.
The word is that their third rink should opening in November. They said they have been meeting with contractors this week and are getting all of their ducks in a row to break ground this spring. I don't think you will see him as an employee.
Bernie and Mnmade are not for everyone, but they have never tried to be. Take them or leave them.
Foiling up Coach!
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