If we did a 64 team tournment

[pondyplayer93]

this is acording to the ps2 ratings
there is no regional importance, it is just a name to call that group

North
#1 Hill-Murray vs. #16 Eagan
#8 Cloquet vs. #9 Wayzata

#5 Eden Prairie vs. #12 Stillwater
#4 Duluth Marshall vs. #7 New Prague

#3 Burnsville vs. #14 Andover
#6 Warroad vs. #11 Lakeville South

#7 Grand Rapids vs. #10 South St.Paul
#2 Blaine vs. #15 Alexandria


South
#1 Edina vs. #16 Virginia
#8 St.Cloud Cathedral vs. #9 Champlin Park

#5 Holy Angels vs. #12 Maple Grove
#4 Anoka vs. #13 East Grand Forks

#3 Duluth East vs. #14 Coon Rapids
#6 Jefferson vs. #11 Hibbing

#7 Mankato West vs. #10 Albert Lea
#2 Centennial vs. #15 St. Cloud Tech


East
#1 St. Thomas vs. #16 Buffalo
#8 Cretin-Derham Hall vs. #9 Totino-Grace

#5 Hopkins vs. #12 Elk River
#4 Eastview vs. #13 Forest Lake

#3 Woodbury vs. #14 Moundsview
#6 Osseo vs. #11 Armstrong

#7 Mahtomedi vs. #10 International Falls
#2 Benilde-St. Margaret's vs. #15 Rochester Mayo


West
#1 Minnetonka vs. #16 Thief River Falls
#8 Duluth Denfeld vs. #9 Brainerd

#5 Roseville vs. #12 Hermantown
#4 White Bear Lake vs. #13 Blake

#3 Moorhead vs. #14 Rogers
#6 Rosemount vs. #11 Breck

#7 Little Falls vs. #10 Rochester Lourdes
#2 Roseau vs. #15 Red Wing


North vs. West
South vs. East
(Semi-Finals)

[karl(east)]

This format certainly has its merits. It pretty much guarantees the best teams in the tourney and is probably most likely to produce the best games as it progresses.

The issues I see are that it squeezes out small schools and eliminates the current system of having a representative from just about every part of the state. You can argue about whether that's a good thing or not.

The biggest issue I see is the seeding of teams 1-64, though. That would create a ton of controversy, and unless the MSHSL gives Lee a nice contract for PS2, they'll have to develop some sort of BCS-like system of coming up with rankings.

And as with any state tourney idea, there's the logistical issue. This version could match Roseau and Warroad against Mankato West and Rochester Century in the first round, which would be a bit of a mess. It depends how much of it is played at home sites and how much is in St. Paul. Either way will probably lead to a lot of school being missed, and that might not go over to well with the MSHSL. It's worth a good discussion, though.

[pondyplayer93]

i agree

i was thinking do it like the ncaa basket ball have 1,8,9,16 all go to one site to play the games then go back, etc.

they could then do maybe a NIT or something?

[SiouxRecruit]

That would be pretty intense...yet It will not happen..atleast not in my lifetime

[nstars4ever]

Here's what the "NIT" version would look like
using PS2 seeds 65-128.

NORTH
#1 TARTAN vs. #16 PINE CITY
#8 LITCHFIELD vs. #9 MORA

#5 BEMIDJI vs. #12 PRIOR LAKE
#4 GREENWAY vs. #13 ST PAUL SAINTS

#3 OWATONNA vs. #14 PRINCETON
#6 NORTH METRO vs. #11 CAMBRIDGE

#7 ST PAUL JOHNSON vs. #10 HENRY SIBLEY
#2 FERGUS FALLS vs. #15 ST FRANCIS

SOUTH
#1 SAUK RAPIDS vs. #16 LACRESCENT
#8 HUTCHINSON vs. #9 CROOKSTON

#5 SPRING LAKE PARK vs. #12 NORTHERN LAKES
#4 HASTINGS vs. #13 LAKE OF THE WOODS

#3 LAKEVILLE NORTH vs. #14 MARSHALL_
#6 IRONDALE vs. #11 PROCTOR

#7 SIMLEY vs. #10 ST MICHAEL ALBERTVILLE
#2 APPLE VALLEY vs. #15 ST PAUL COMO PARK

EAST
#1 MOUND WESTONKA vs. #16 ST PAUL ACADEMY
#8 SARTELL vs. #9 CHISAGO LAKES

#5 RICHFIELD vs. #12 FARIBAULT
#4 CHASKA vs. #13 WINONA

#3 PARK RAPIDS vs. #14 COOPER
#6 ST CLOUD APOLLO vs. #11 FARMINGTON

#7 N ST PAUL vs. #10 PARK (C.G.)
#2 ROCHESTER CENTURY vs. #15 MONTICELLO

WEST
#1 HOLY FAMILY CATHOLIC vs. #16 DETROIT LAKES
#8 MINNEHAHA ACADEMY vs. #9 NEW ULM

#5 PROVIDENCE ACADEMY vs. #12 WILLMAR
#4 NORTHFIELD vs. #13 BLOOM KENNEDY

#3 ST LOUIS PARK vs. #14 TWO HARBORS
#6 DELANO vs. #11 MPLS WEST

#7 SHAKOPEE vs. #10 KITTSON CENTRAL
#2 ORONO vs. #15 PRAIRIE CENTRE

[Duda3210]

If something is to be changed this is the only thing that should be done.

Stay with two classes. Set up a playoff system, every team gets in, and the playoffs are still separated by class. Set up all the seedings, and play out until the final 8, then do the state tournament like usual. This would ensure that only the best teams make it.

[pondyplayer93]

If something is to be changed this is the only thing that should be done.

Stay with two classes. Set up a playoff system, every team gets in, and the playoffs are still separated by class. Set up all the seedings, and play out until the final 8, then do the state tournament like usual. This would ensure that only the best teams make it.

Exactly right thats why I like this idea so much because we would get the top 8 teams at state

[Stealth]

HOW MANY WEEKS WOULD THIS TAKE?

[pondyplayer93]

you could play like this

week of 2/21
friday
1/16, 8/9, 5/12, 4/13, 3/14, 6/11, 7/10, 2/15
saturday
winners
week of 2/28
friday
half games
saturday
half games

then you have your 8 state teams

so this way would take one week, the way now takes 13 days

[dherman8]

HOW MANY WEEKS WOULD THIS TAKE?

Who cares? They can play through March.

[pondyplayer93]

HOW MANY WEEKS WOULD THIS TAKE?

Who cares? They can play through March.

right its not that big of a deal
but my way above does work

that would but the tourney the week of 3/7 still

[artifactually153]

if we did a 64 team tournament...

THAT WOULD BE SICK!

[dherman8]

if we did a 64 team tournament...

THAT WOULD BE SICK!

Lets petition for that.

[Sparlimb]

if we did a 64 team tournament...

THAT WOULD BE SICK!

Lets petition for that.

We essentially do that. What do you think sections are but regionals? The only difference is in the above system it has one class. Which is what we did back prior to 1992. And that one included everybody. That's why I like the big spreadsheet that shows each section one of our posters do every year. It shows the sheer size of the tournament...

[dherman8]

if we did a 64 team tournament...

THAT WOULD BE SICK!

Lets petition for that.

We essentially do that. What do you think sections are but regionals? The only difference is in the above system it has one class. Which is what we did back prior to 1992. And that one included everybody. That's why I like the big spreadsheet that shows each section one of our posters do every year. It shows the sheer size of the tournament...

Yeah but rank the teams from 1-64 in both classes, not just 1-8 in sections. Actually, I like the system we have now.

[pondyplayer93]

if we did a 64 team tournament...

THAT WOULD BE SICK!

it would

[hockeygenie5]

All right, now everyone who made a tourney has to pick the winners.

I think its a nobel idea but it will never happen and if it did, no doubt there would be a lot of complaining.

[pondyplayer93]

i think it could happen

maybe not too soon but it could in the next 5-10 years

[Dino]

That away Pondy--this is what I mentioned on a thread early. The top 64 teams reguarless of Class--I think you should try to regionalize it a bit more (less travel) but look at some of those match-ups they are great !
They could have a "selection" show just like NCAA hoops to announce the brackets---reactions of teams--explainations of who went where and why-- a ton of discussions --fun stuff ! Somebody pass this on to Big Dave Stead and the MSHSL !

[pondyplayer93]

That away Pondy--this is what I mentioned on a thread early. The top 64 teams reguarless of Class--I think you should try to regionalize it a bit more (less travel) but look at some of those match-ups they are great !
They could have a "selection" show just like NCAA hoops to announce the brackets---reactions of teams--explainations of who went where and why-- a ton of discussions --fun stuff ! Somebody pass this on to Big Dave Stead and the MSHSL !

haha you read my mind exactly with the selection show thing (on fsn maybe??)

[Hillhockey000]

This would be great!!! The tournament has to get back to just one class...

That bracket could have great match-ups in the state semis.

STA vs. Edina
&
White Bear vs. Hill

We would see if the Cadets could hang with the big schools. There would of been tons of storylines in that game this year with Lee transfering...
Then follow it up with a White Bear-Hill game. Imagine the atmosphere at the Xcel with these two teams at state. I would love to see this match-up played out at the state tourney.

Assuming that the regional championships would be the state quarterfinals, there would be lots of other possible interesting match-ups.

BSM vs. STA
Hill vs. Warroad or Hill vs. Burnsville
White Bear vs. Roseau or White Bear vs. Moorhead

[Turkeycut15]

I think this is a really great idea and would make for some outstanding games.

The only thing i wouldn't like about it is the actual respect and amount of work it takes to make the tournament.

besides where are they going to house a banquet for 64 teams?

[boblee]

You wouldn't hold a banquet for all 64. Just the 8 that play at the X. Pretty much like now. As far as dates go. They can't play through March. They need to be done when they are or the next week for spring sports.

[pondyplayer93]

You wouldn't hold a banquet for all 64. Just the 8 that play at the X. Pretty much like now. As far as dates go. They can't play through March. They need to be done when they are or the next week for spring sports.

yeah if you look at how i had it in one of my previous posts that still works out

[dherman8]

This would be great!!! The tournament has to get back to just one class...

That bracket could have great match-ups in the state semis.

STA vs. Edina
&
White Bear vs. Hill

We would see if the Cadets could hang with the big schools. There would of been tons of storylines in that game this year with Lee transfering...
Then follow it up with a White Bear-Hill game. Imagine the atmosphere at the Xcel with these two teams at state. I would love to see this match-up played out at the state tourney.

Assuming that the regional championships would be the state quarterfinals, there would be lots of other possible interesting match-ups.

BSM vs. STA
Hill vs. Warroad or Hill vs. Burnsville
White Bear vs. Roseau or White Bear vs. Moorhead

NO keep two classes. If it's not broke, don't fix it.