What makes a good coach?

GoGoGophers · Post by **GoGoGophers** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:59 pm

You will see these teams running very complicated systems and fancy plays but is that what a coach has to do to be successful. What effect do speeches and pep talks play. I feel the best coaches are motivators who can get the most out of there players. Not the strategist. Thoughts?

Govs93 · Post by **Govs93** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:17 pm

Whatever the hell Lechner did.

LetsPlayHockey22 · Post by **LetsPlayHockey22** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:39 pm

Knowledge for the game, if you dont know the game...you can't coach it.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:41 pm

Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

Bingo!

Stealth · Post by **Stealth** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:42 pm

Discipline and respect.

David Sparrow#1 · Post by **David Sparrow#1** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:57 pm

knowledge of the game, motivation, and keeping a close eye on future opponents. Also helps if you are involved in the youth program from top to bottom.

BIAFP · Post by **BIAFP** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:06 pm

Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

Exactly.........teach kids to cross check, tackle, slash, clutch and grab and only get caught 10% of the time is priceless. Forget finesse hockey, GOON hockey is king

MNHockeyFan · Post by **MNHockeyFan** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:09 pm

All of the above and also maybe the No. 1 criteria of all these days:

Being able to deal with intrusive, bossy parents who want to run the team! Especially anything that might affect their kid like ice time, which position they should play, which line, etc.

Neutron 14 · Post by **Neutron 14** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:09 pm

BIAFP wrote:
Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

Exactly.........teach kids to cross check, tackle, slash, clutch and grab and only get caught 10% of the time is priceless. Forget finesse hockey, GOON hockey is king

For years northerners accused the city boys of being "soft". Now they run into a team more physical than them and listen to them howl.

BIAFP · Post by **BIAFP** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:12 pm

Neutron 14 wrote:
BIAFP wrote:
Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

Exactly.........teach kids to cross check, tackle, slash, clutch and grab and only get caught 10% of the time is priceless. Forget finesse hockey, GOON hockey is king
For years northerners accused the city boys of being "soft". Now they run into a team more physical than them and listen to them howl.

Maybe that woosy Aus will figure it out

PanthersIn2011 · Post by **PanthersIn2011** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:22 pm

Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

I enjoyed the locker room clip before the Roseau game where Lech told his boys "remember ... it's only a game." So much has been made of the physical aspect of their game plan ... but they clearly were also well prepared mentally and did the little things well. His boys were ready and he knew they were ready. No need to get them all jacked up ...

Mario58 · Post by **Mario58** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:48 pm

I think it was covered, with great humor, on this post:
http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic. ... ight=coach

mulefarm · Post by **mulefarm** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:54 pm

The most important aspect ? Good Players

komada77 · Post by **komada77** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:36 pm

BIAFP wrote:
Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

Exactly.........teach kids to cross check, tackle, slash, clutch and grab and only get caught 10% of the time is priceless. Forget finesse hockey, GOON hockey is king

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying'

hockeydad · Post by **hockeydad** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:34 pm

I never coached hockey... I did coach basketball, football and volleyball when I was a teacher, with varying degrees of success. (Well, not so much success in football).

The number one thing a coach must be able to do, and it isn't as easy as it sounds.....

Don't screw up the talent that you've got.

sachishi4 · Post by **sachishi4** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:50 pm

BIAFP wrote:
Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

Exactly.........teach kids to cross check, tackle, slash, clutch and grab and only get caught 10% of the time is priceless. Forget finesse hockey, GOON hockey is king

Roseau and Edina had every opportunity to push back. They didn't, and they lost. They couldn't handle the heat, and they fled the kitchen.

Basil Chaps · Post by **Basil Chaps** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:54 pm

Hill wasn't afraid to check, but Hill used crisp passing and speed on most of their goals. Lechner had the guys sure they could win and they weren't afraid to take it to Roseau and Edina, and use speed and finesse for nice goals.

pureh0ckee54 · Post by **pureh0ckee54** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:41 am

BIAFP wrote:
Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

Exactly.........teach kids to cross check, tackle, slash, clutch and grab and only get caught 10% of the time is priceless. Forget finesse hockey, GOON hockey is king

I agree with you BIAFP! I am glad to see that I am not the only one that saw it that way. I guess that some people enjoy that kind of hockey. Yet, these same people hail Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, and Yzerman as some of the all time greats. They were play makers, with finesse! They did not like the way the NHL was becoming football on ice. I do not enjoy football on ice. Finesse, yes, hockey played within the guidelines of the rulebook, the one that should be enforced every game, this is the hockey I love to see. I do tip my hat to Phillippi. He played like a champion and seemed like a terrific young man.

Pucknutz69 · Post by **Pucknutz69** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:09 pm

pureh0ckee54 wrote:
BIAFP wrote:
Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

Exactly.........teach kids to cross check, tackle, slash, clutch and grab and only get caught 10% of the time is priceless. Forget finesse hockey, GOON hockey is king
I agree with you BIAFP! I am glad to see that I am not the only one that saw it that way. I guess that some people enjoy that kind of hockey. Yet, these same people hail Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, and Yzerman as some of the all time greats. They were play makers, with finesse! They did not like the way the NHL was becoming football on ice. I do not enjoy football on ice. Finesse, yes, hockey played within the guidelines of the rulebook, the one that should be enforced every game, this is the hockey I love to see. I do tip my hat to Phillippi. He played like a champion and seemed like a terrific young man.

Sorry but Hill won by scoring more goals then the other teams. Name one goal during the tournament that Hill didn't earn? BUt passing and just shooting the puck on net. Edina and Roseau got out worked bottom line. ALso didn't both teams outshoot Hill?

Prodigy · Post by **Prodigy** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:19 am

Name one goal that Hill didn't earn... how about the wrist shot from dang near the center red line that went in against Edina

Lurker 83 · Post by **Lurker 83** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:09 pm

pureh0ckee54 wrote:
BIAFP wrote:
Govs93 wrote:Whatever the hell Lechner did.

Exactly.........teach kids to cross check, tackle, slash, clutch and grab and only get caught 10% of the time is priceless. Forget finesse hockey, GOON hockey is king
I agree with you BIAFP! I am glad to see that I am not the only one that saw it that way. I guess that some people enjoy that kind of hockey. Yet, these same people hail Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, and Yzerman as some of the all time greats. They were play makers, with finesse! They did not like the way the NHL was becoming football on ice. I do not enjoy football on ice. Finesse, yes, hockey played within the guidelines of the rulebook, the one that should be enforced every game, this is the hockey I love to see. I do tip my hat to Phillippi. He played like a champion and seemed like a terrific young man.

Partisan disclaimer: I supported HM and was happy to see them win.

I did not like everything I saw them do especially during the Roseau game; I though the game HM played v. Edina was much cleaner. I did see the 'guidelines of the rulebook' enforced to an acceptable degree. HM played physical and took many penalties. Nobody was able to capitalize on that but that is part of the game.

I also saw a few hits I would have called were I on the ice. A couple of calls I would not have. HM took a hooking penalty when a Roseau player was touched on the hip and went down like he was poleaxed.

Let's look obejectively at the other side- such as the tackle behind the HM goal. Was that the hockey you love to see? In my eyes it was equal to the crosscheck on Ness. I tough the crosscheck should have been penalized higher but same for the tackle. Each was a minor so at least the same standard was being applied. I can accept that. As the game went on Roseau took their share of shots at HM but the refs were hesitant to put a team up 4-1 on the PP without something flagrant, so be it.

In the 1st period against Edina a HM player was leveled at center ice after the puck had been dumped into Edina's zone. Mr. Nanne mentioned a good hit as I believe he called it. We had to wait for replay since it was off screen. The replay showed a hit up high with the puck 50' away- still a good hit?
I counted at least four hits by Edina that should have been high-sticking- no calls.
There was much talk about HM pushing players after the whistle- true. However it was often in response to Philippi receiving slashes and crosschecks after making a save. I will not fault any team for puuting a player on their backside if the player has taken a hack at the GK.

To sum:
Was it physical-yes
was it rough-yes
was it illegal-sometimes
was it called-usually
evenly?-debatable
Did the 'unfairness' result in a three goal advantage (the spread in all games, not counting ENs)- my opinion is no

HM played with both skill and hard physical play to defeat some excellent teams this year and earn the championship.

wildfanatic26 · Post by **wildfanatic26** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:36 pm

I think one of the biggest things that has gone unmentioned is a love for the kids and a true desire for the kids they are coaching to be successful. It may seem like a given that a coach must honestly love the kids. I know of coaches and have had coaches who don't love the kids and don't desire their kids to succeed. I know of coaches who have bad mouthed their players to junior hockey coaches and scouts, or even college coaches.

Chuck Norris Fan · Post by **Chuck Norris Fan** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:50 pm

BIAFP wrote:
Neutron 14 wrote:
BIAFP wrote:
Exactly.........teach kids to cross check, tackle, slash, clutch and grab and only get caught 10% of the time is priceless. Forget finesse hockey, GOON hockey is king
For years northerners accused the city boys of being "soft". Now they run into a team more physical than them and listen to them howl.

Maybe that woosy Aus will figure it out

Centennial or Blaine AUS?

HasBeen17 · Post by **HasBeen17** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:44 pm

From a coaching standpoint, it's all about identifying with your players. If you've got you're players on board, and believing in you first, then the sky's the limit. On the flip side, if you run things like a drill sergeant...look out, that will certainly come back to haunt you unless you're coaching with big time numbers in your program. What kills a kid the most is when you coach him the same as everyone else. Show the kid that you know his strengths and help him identify his weaknesses while working with him. There are plenty of coaches that are "career killers"...too many kids loose interest and it simply has to do w/the coaching.

elliott70 · Post by **elliott70** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:16 pm

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