CODP

Hughes500 · Post by **Hughes500** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:37 pm

Inquiring about the CODP program. Is this a skills based program (stick handling, shooting) or is everything incorporated in drills? How selective is the program for high school age female athletes? A player has been selected to attend and there is not a lot out there on the details of the program. It appears they offered 5 sessions to chose from. Are the players grouped by age or skill? Is it a good program for the cost? Any details on the program would be appreciated. Thanks

Central · Post by **Central** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:08 pm

Here is a link to an old thread about it. Reviews have been very positive about the program.

http://www.ushsho.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14667

Hughes500 · Post by **Hughes500** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:17 pm

Thanks

Hux · Post by **Hux** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:50 am

CODP is the total development package, with heavy emphasis on skating and age/ability appropriate strength & conditioning. Their web site will fill you in on the details.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:38 am

CODP is wrapping up the summer training with the Festival this weekend at New Hope. There was a good college group, Thoroughbred group, HS and then younger teams. The CAPD team (boys Pee Wee and some first year Bantam played) - they were fast games a girls HS group beat them 6-4 yesterday but it was very good play. Due to the U15 & U16 NDP conflict and 10,000 Lakes HS Tournament some players were gone and the Texas, Colorado and Eastern teams did not come out.

The program is expanding running besides the normal June-July camp a spring session, fall team and more CAPD programs. The program is out raising money to expand their equipment and coaching.

Watching the games this weekend the program has a lot of talented kids and a crop of new young kids who look very good. There is a 5'11" 12 year old goalie from Eastview or Eagan who was very impressive first name is Lexi and last name starts with an H - she will be an interesting player to watch on the go forward she looks like an accomplished HS goalie with her size and lots of people wondered what HS she played for.

This has been a great development program for my daughter in CODP (5 years) and son in CADP (3 years) they have gotten stronger, faster, quicker and smarter on the ice - I would recommend to any young player (12 or older) - girl or boy - who wants to improve their game - they work you hard but you meet many motivated players and together they all get better....much better investment than just playing in leagues or AAA tournaments. OS and various STP's are good but I am not sure if anyone matches the intensity and pace of training here.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:08 pm

This was an e-mail sent out today. Marci has done an outstanding job developing hockey players in CODP and with the Thoroughbred's. Does anyone know is she still going to be doing any training or is she cutting back which would be understandable.
_____________________________________________________________

CODP Special Announcement

Hello to all CODP players, families and friends.

I am writing to share with you that after 12 years of service and dedication to CODP, Marci Bydlon has announced her resignation as CADP Vice President and practice coach for the CODP women’s ice hockey program.
Marci’s comment to excellence in the training and advancement of female hockey players has bettered the sport of women's hockey and helped hundreds of young female athletes achieve success both on and off the ice. Marci will be missed, and we wish her well in her future endeavors.

As always, CODP remains dedicated to providing the most comprehensive and rigorous hockey development program available to athletes, and will continue to provide the same quality and excellence in training that our participants have come to expect from us.

Sincerely,

Lenny Vannelli,
President, Community Athletic Development Program, CADP a 501 (c) (3) Minnesota Non Profit Organization
Program Director for CODP

To make a donation to CADP go to: www.guidestar.org and enter CADP in the search box

itsjustasport · Post by **itsjustasport** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:31 pm

There are many other programs to consider as well. One of the concerns I have had about the program now known as CODP (as opposed to the original CODP), and have expressed directly to CODP, was his constant talking about girls behind their backs, or about those who choose to do some other program. The girls are uncomfortable with this and it is clearly inappropriate for any coach or leader to do so.

leftysniper24 · Post by **leftysniper24** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:04 pm

In CODP the instructors work on every hockey skill. It is one of the best programs out there. It transforms kids into excellent hockey players. Whoever gets into the program should be prepared to work hard, whoever works hard you will see in there preformance on the ice.

northshore guy · Post by **northshore guy** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:48 pm

leftysniper24 wrote:In CODP the instructors work on every hockey skill. It is one of the best programs out there. It transforms kids into excellent hockey players. Whoever gets into the program should be prepared to work hard, whoever works hard you will see in there preformance on the ice.

What team do you play for?????

iwearmysunglassesatnight · Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:04 pm

[quote="leftysniper24"]In CODP the instructors work on every hockey skill. It is one of the best programs out there. It transforms kids into excellent hockey players. Whoever gets into the program should be prepared to work hard, whoever works hard you will see in there preformance on the ice.[/quote]

You are better off finding someone else to spend your money on, rather then the current structure of the CODP.

goalzilla · Post by **goalzilla** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:23 am

My daughter is a 3 year CODP particiapant. Was money well spent for the amount of ice and training she received. Pushed hard physically and she always walked away stronger and in top condition. Be interesting who will replace Marci and if it will have any effect on the program.

hockeya1a · Post by **hockeya1a** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:54 am

goalzilla wrote:My daughter is a 3 year CODP particiapant. Was money well spent for the amount of ice and training she received. Pushed hard physically and she always walked away stronger and in top condition. Be interesting who will replace Marci and if it will have any effect on the program.

Anyone know what Marci is doing or going?

Maybe she will be starting a new program that is low cost and afordable to all?

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:14 am

I don't know but I would guess a number of female college players who train in the program could play larger roles. In addition one of the coaches who may play a larger role is Mike Anderson who played for the Gophers. He has worked with CODP the last two years, is a HS coach and does a great job as a teacher of the game. His daughter Stephanie Anderson is one of the top players in the 2011 class, trains with CODP and skates with the Thoroughbreds.

The program appears to be making some great changes in conjunction with the development plan just announced from USA Hockey.

CODP Program update with USA Hockey for the 2009 season:
• Criteria for athlete selection based upon USA Hockey pre-determined youth hockey level guidelines,
• Assistance in developing a system for athlete progression,
• Cooperation in developing a training curriculum,
• Access to USA Hockey existing marketing materials to promote USA Hockey ideals and programsm,
• Website acknowledgement,
• On-going utilization of training and competition facilities in Minnesota,
• Inclusion in high performance plan/athlete development pipeline,
• Athlete performance expectations based upon existing USA Hockey program guidelines,
• Opportunity for select CODP athletes to participate in programs at the Olympic Training Centers,
• Insurance covering NGB members and sanctioned clubs for sanctioned activities.

createfun · Post by **createfun** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:51 am

Can someone explain to me what CODP is and how a hockey player can be accepted into the program?

leftysniper24 · Post by **leftysniper24** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:02 pm

createfun wrote:Can someone explain to me what CODP is and how a hockey player can be accepted into the program?

In CODP you work on and off the ice. During the off ice you work on your strenth and stride. On the ice you work on all kinds of stills. You get pushed to your limit and makes you a better player.

createfun · Post by **createfun** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:42 pm

Is it an invite only, or can anyone sign up?

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:45 pm

createfun wrote:Is it an invite only, or can anyone sign up?

Here is their site - you have to try out and be accepted in the program - tryout info is on the site.

http://www.codpmn.com

RussianCircles · Post by **RussianCircles** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:49 pm

Please read the thread titled COACH before you pick to go to this camp.

itsjustasport · Post by **itsjustasport** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:34 am

Having had a kid in CODP for many years, I can tell you the selectivity is not what it was even 3 years ago (and I am told paying a little extra money doesn't hurt to get in). And before you swallow the koolaid that Joe is passing out, get the straight story on the "new" CODP (curious that LV wants checks made out to CADP). I do not believe it is any longer affiliated with USA Hockey. It has offered good training, especially Marcie. I am just saying check out some other excellent alternatives, and especially ones where the program leaders don't speak negatively about the girls.

joehockey · Post by **joehockey** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:19 am

itsjustasport wrote:Having had a kid in CODP for many years, I can tell you the selectivity is not what it was even 3 years ago (and I am told paying a little extra money doesn't hurt to get in). And before you swallow the koolaid that Joe is passing out, get the straight story on the "new" CODP (curious that LV wants checks made out to CADP). I do not believe it is any longer affiliated with USA Hockey. It has offered good training, especially Marcie. I am just saying check out some other excellent alternatives, and especially ones where the program leaders don't speak negatively about the girls.

Hey I am not selling anything just passing what they have on their website.

Looking backwards this has been the program with the highest concentration of NDP and D1 kids over the past 5 years that my daughter has been in the program - it has been great for her and many other players - an equal number probably have tried and not liked CODP.

Today Winny Brodt at OS ($650), CODP ($900), FHIT ($1850) and many other STP programs like WHC ($450) at Hill Murray with Bill Schafhauser, or Impact Hockey ($?) with Eric Johnson at Minnetonka - all trying to do the same thing with the same numbers so there is no one place on the girls side where all the top players are - Marci was a big reason in the past for CODP success. The program is changing with Marci leaving and USA Hockey announced development (nothing to do with CODP this is a National change from USA Hockey) I can't say what all of this will mean better than anyone else - parents need to ask questions and this forum is a place where stuff can be shared - none of us can know all the programs.

So what is your recommendation?

hocktang · Post by **hocktang** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:33 am

RussianCircles wrote:Please read the thread titled COACH before you pick to go to this camp.

That thread is irrelevant to CODP. LV is a great CODP coach for younger developing athletes. Coaching a team is WAY different from coaching a development program. Do not mix the two subjects.

Ms. Conduct · Post by **Ms. Conduct** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:41 am

I am completely embarrassed for the people posting in this thread that have no idea what they are talking about and, quite frankly, I am infuriated that you are using misguided rumors and uneducated guesses to attempt to defame one of the biggest advocates and supporters of MN girls' hockey.

I have been familiar with the CODP Program for quite some time. The program is growing. If you are complaining about the selectivity, I suppose that is fair. HOWEVER, this program has multiple sessions running throughout the course of the week. The top tier of athletes compete together in the advanced groups. CODP also takes athletes of lesser skill and strength who show tremendous work ethic and will to improve to help them develop a future in the sport (some very impressive players developed this way -- if you'd like some examples feel free to ask). It is a very special thing to watch these young girls observe the training of, and often compete with some of, the top high school players in the state; it is an invaluable learning experience for them and provides for incredible motivation. The top players, in the meantime, benefit in multiple ways: they continue to train and practice with other top players; many of the older girls learn valuable citizenship lessons by having the chance to volunteer their time, learning how to coach and mentor the younger players who look up to them; and when they are asked to compete against "lesser" competition, as they often have to in their high school seasons, they learn to control their mental and strategic aspects of the game by figuring out how to dominate the competition. It seems to be a win-win situation for all involved.

"itsjustasport": Your spiteful and insinuating comments absolutely disgust me, as I'm sure they do most other respectable readers. You do NOT know the "straight story" on the "NEW(?)" CODP. Get educated before you speak and save us all the trouble of policing threads for your outlandish behavior. CODP IS affiliated with USA Hockey but receives no financial support. It is also affiliated with the USOC, as are all the other CODP programs across the country for other youth sports such as soccer, diving, etc.

NON-PROFIT organizations are the entities that can receive licensing to operate CODP Programs. The non-profit for the Minnesota Womens' Ice Hockey Program is called the "COMMUNITY ATHLETIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM" or "CADP" -- that is where the checks go, which incidentally, isn't quite so curious, now, is it? CODP is simply the name of the program and the indicator that this is sponsored by the USOC. CADP runs the program, as well as other boys' development programs. When CODP was set up by Jack Blatherwick and others, they had a hard time getting the proper set up on the management side of this program, which is why only recently people have been hearing the name CADP.

LV is a good man and does not speak negatively about the girls' in the manner you imply. When he does mention or make an example of girls who are in or who have left the program, it is never an assault on their character. I imagine it is simply commentary on their methods of training (or lack thereof) because girls at this age, like it or not, compare themselves to their peers and sometimes need concrete examples to help themselves measure their achievements and goals.

"russiancircles": As a coach, I think most would expect more of you. What is the purpose of the rumors you are trying to spread? You do not have the facts about what occurred and couldn't be more wrong in your assumptions. LV does not and has not ever mistreated his players, especially for the motives you seem to imply. His method of coaching revolves around educating the girls, promoting a healthy environment in which all get to participate, and communicating openly with them to help the girls make their own decisions.

I wonder if either of you could find it in your heart next time to examine whether or not you are witnessing a misunderstanding or are subject to escalating hearsay before you publicly slander a decent, hard-working person? I'm sure most of us would greatly appreciate it.

hocktang · Post by **hocktang** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:30 pm

Ms. Conduct wrote:I am completely embarrassed for the people posting in this thread that have no idea what they are talking about and, quite frankly, I am infuriated that you are using misguided rumors and uneducated guesses to attempt to defame one of the biggest advocates and supporters of MN girls' hockey.

I have been familiar with the CODP Program for quite some time. The program is growing. If you are complaining about the selectivity, I suppose that is fair. HOWEVER, this program has multiple sessions running throughout the course of the week. The top tier of athletes compete together in the advanced groups. CODP also takes athletes of lesser skill and strength who show tremendous work ethic and will to improve to help them develop a future in the sport (some very impressive players developed this way -- if you'd like some examples feel free to ask). It is a very special thing to watch these young girls observe the training of, and often compete with some of, the top high school players in the state; it is an invaluable learning experience for them and provides for incredible motivation. The top players, in the meantime, benefit in multiple ways: they continue to train and practice with other top players; many of the older girls learn valuable citizenship lessons by having the chance to volunteer their time, learning how to coach and mentor the younger players who look up to them; and when they are asked to compete against "lesser" competition, as they often have to in their high school seasons, they learn to control their mental and strategic aspects of the game by figuring out how to dominate the competition. It seems to be a win-win situation for all involved.

"itsjustasport": Your spiteful and insinuating comments absolutely disgust me, as I'm sure they do most other respectable readers. You do NOT know the "straight story" on the "NEW(?)" CODP. Get educated before you speak and save us all the trouble of policing threads for your outlandish behavior. CODP IS affiliated with USA Hockey but receives no financial support. It is also affiliated with the USOC, as are all the other CODP programs across the country for other youth sports such as soccer, diving, etc.

NON-PROFIT organizations are the entities that can receive licensing to operate CODP Programs. The non-profit for the Minnesota Womens' Ice Hockey Program is called the "COMMUNITY ATHLETIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM" or "CADP" -- that is where the checks go, which incidentally, isn't quite so curious, now, is it? CODP is simply the name of the program and the indicator that this is sponsored by the USOC. CADP runs the program, as well as other boys' development programs. When CODP was set up by Jack Blatherwick and others, they had a hard time getting the proper set up on the management side of this program, which is why only recently people have been hearing the name CADP.

LV is a good man and does not speak negatively about the girls' in the manner you imply. When he does mention or make an example of girls who are in or who have left the program, it is never an assault on their character. I imagine it is simply commentary on their methods of training (or lack thereof) because girls at this age, like it or not, compare themselves to their peers and sometimes need concrete examples to help themselves measure their achievements and goals.

"russiancircles": As a coach, I think most would expect more of you. What is the purpose of the rumors you are trying to spread? You do not have the facts about what occurred and couldn't be more wrong in your assumptions. LV does not and has not ever mistreated his players, especially for the motives you seem to imply. His method of coaching revolves around educating the girls, promoting a healthy environment in which all get to participate, and communicating openly with them to help the girls make their own decisions.

I wonder if either of you could find it in your heart next time to examine whether or not you are witnessing a misunderstanding or are subject to escalating hearsay before you publicly slander a decent, hard-working person? I'm sure most of us would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you so much Ms. Conduct! Now that's class!

Thunderbird77 · Post by **Thunderbird77** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:20 pm

All that Ms. Conduct can truly say is that from her experience LV has never spoken about another player to her or LV has never threatened her daughter (or her). Unfortunately, not everyone's experience with LV is the same. My daughter has received a threatening e-mail from him. A friend at work (whose daughter was a first year U12) received a threatening letter from LV when they tried out for CADP and then could not attend because both parents work and they had no way to get their daughter to the program. Ice times were not published at the time of try-outs. Imagine being an 11 year old and receiving a letter telling you that you will never be on the US Olympic team. These experiences are not suppositions. They happened. Hopefully, LV is smarter today than he was then and acts like this are a thing of the past. However, from the posts here it seems like there have been many that have experienced the similar tactics.

I guess it is a case of buyer beware. Some have had good experiences, some have not.
I would recommend that anyone attending Breck seriously consider the program. You may not be treated any better, but you definitely have more at risk.

hocktang · Post by **hocktang** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:48 pm

If anyone truly understands LV, maybe they would be giving him more credit than he is getting.