Instant replay in MLB?

[packerboy]

I hate instant replay for any sport.

But I would really hate it in baseball.

Its absolutely ruined hockey IMO. The goal gets scored and ...wait a minute ..was it a goal? Minutes later the ref emerges and points to something and meanwhile the whole excitment/disappointment of the goal is gone. Pathetic.

The proponents of it will tell us that it is so important to 'get it right'. Is it really? Ultimately its just a game and does IR really guarntee that it we 'get it right'?

Id rather see managers kick dirt on home plate or throw a base more often.

[Can't Never Tried]

I hate instant replay

But I would really hate it in baseball.

I hear ya PB even the 1st time is painful to watch

[Govs93]

I think hockey is screwed up as well... it seems as though even after a goal review, it can still boil down to a judgment call. Was the goalie interfered with? Did it effect the play?

I think for baseball, they should only implement it for HR calls, and that's only because you're otherwise trusting the eyesight of middle aged men (no offense, PB), trying to track a 3 inch ball from 200 feet away. Even those with perfect eyesight are going to be hard pressed to determine whether a ball went 2 inches over a yellow line or which side of a foul pole it crossed on from that distance.

The managers can still have their tantrums on close plays at a base or balls and strikes.

[packerboy]

On the Home Run calls, even young guys couldnt see them unless they are positioned on top of the wall and/or are 25 feet tall.

But that's a function of the ball park construction. Spend the money on that. This yellow line stuff is stupid. Design/ construct the walls so if its over, it cant come back and look like a double.

But Govs, the biggest problem I have with Replay is that they do limit it to certain plays. They want to 'get it right' as far as double vs HR but they dont control whether the pitch before it was actually strike 3 or the guy who was on first at the time was safe or out.

Let the calls fall where they fall. It will even out.

[Govs93]

But that's a function of the ball park construction. Spend the money on that. This yellow line stuff is stupid. Design/ construct the walls so if its over, it cant come back and look like a double.

Agreed. It may have been around before, but the first real noticable problem I remember seeing was that stupid platform above the right field wall at Jacobs Field. From the day I saw it, I smelled trouble, and it's turned up more than a few times there. I appreciate the fact that they want the fans back away from the wall, but why the platform with a strip of yellow in front of it? Just leave those few feet empty - put the yellow up if you want, but at least the ball is going to fall over the wall - as it should in all parks.

[UpNorthStars]

Well, i can't see every team in MLB reconstructing their parks so that a home run actually stays out of the park, so the quick fix is to put in IR. If it is used solely for HR's, than i'm ok with it, but they can't start messing with the judgement calls like the bang-bang play at first, or balls and strikes obviously.

[sachishi4]

HR's only

There are too many things wrong with hockey's replay system to even begin

[Govs93]

But that's a function of the ball park construction. Spend the money on that. This yellow line stuff is stupid. Design/ construct the walls so if its over, it cant come back and look like a double.

Agreed. It may have been around before, but the first real noticable problem I remember seeing was that stupid platform above the right field wall at Jacobs Field. From the day I saw it, I smelled trouble, and it's turned up more than a few times there. I appreciate the fact that they want the fans back away from the wall, but why the platform with a strip of yellow in front of it? Just leave those few feet empty - put the yellow up if you want, but at least the ball is going to fall over the wall - as it should in all parks.

Minute Maid Park in Houston is a close 2nd in this by the way... The yellow line randomly graffiti'd on the left center field wall to indicate whether a ball has traveled far enough to be considered a homerun despite the fact it's never actually going over a wall is more design genius.

[UpNorthStars]

That whole park is rediculous. I sure would like to be the centerfielder that has to run up the friggen hill and roll my ankle on a daily basis. What stupidity, at least the flag poll isn't there anymore...

[Indians forever]

I hate instant replay for any sport.

But I would really hate it in baseball.

Its absolutely ruined hockey IMO. The goal gets scored and ...wait a minute ..was it a goal? Minutes later the ref emerges and points to something and meanwhile the whole excitment/disappointment of the goal is gone. Pathetic.

The proponents of it will tell us that it is so important to 'get it right'. Is it really? Ultimately its just a game and does IR really guarntee that it we 'get it right'?

Id rather see managers kick dirt on home plate or throw a base more often.

Very well said Packer!!!!

[pacman]

i say No To Instant Replay for the Small things like Balls and Strikes, But For Home Runs, Instant Replay is a must, Get the Call right.

[packerboy]

i say No To Instant Replay for the Small things like Balls and Strikes, But For Home Runs, Instant Replay is a must, Get the Call right.

pacman, balls and strikes are not small things.

Why is it more important to get some calls "right" and not others. I have never understood that.

Football is so proud of itself and its boofin instant replay but they are the perfect example of what I am talking about.

OK, IR tells us if the reciever had 2 feet in but does anybody care if there was really holding on the play which allowed the pass to be thrown in the first place?

Why dont we review that every play? Dont we need to 'get it right'?

[Govs93]

i say No To Instant Replay for the Small things like Balls and Strikes, But For Home Runs, Instant Replay is a must, Get the Call right.

pacman, balls and strikes are not small things.

Why is it more important to get some calls "right" and not others. I have never understood that.

Football is so proud of itself and its boofin instant replay but they are the perfect example of what I am talking about.

OK, IR tells us if the reciever had 2 feet in but does anybody care if there was really holding on the play which allowed the pass to be thrown in the first place?

Why dont we review that every play? Dont we need to 'get it right'?

HRs should be reviewed because it effects scoring and can conceivably have a direct impact on the outcome of the game.

If the NFL (or NCAA) decided to allow replay on only TD runs or catches, you wouldn't see me shed any tears - I'd be fine with it. To me, if it has a direct effect on the score of the game, you have to get it right... You can't assume that a batter would've scored if the ump called ball 4 instead of strike 2, or that a team would've continued their drive and scored if the ref would've called a receiver in bounds instead of out of bounds at the 50 yard line.

[Can't Never Tried]

i say No To Instant Replay for the Small things like Balls and Strikes, But For Home Runs, Instant Replay is a must, Get the Call right.

pacman, balls and strikes are not small things.

Why is it more important to get some calls "right" and not others. I have never understood that.

Football is so proud of itself and its boofin instant replay but they are the perfect example of what I am talking about.

OK, IR tells us if the reciever had 2 feet in but does anybody care if there was really holding on the play which allowed the pass to be thrown in the first place?

Why dont we review that every play? Dont we need to 'get it right'?

HRs should be reviewed because it effects scoring and can conceivably have a direct impact on the outcome of the game.

If the NFL (or NCAA) decided to allow replay on only TD runs or catches, you wouldn't see me shed any tears - I'd be fine with it. To me, if it has a direct effect on the score of the game, you have to get it right... You can't assume that a batter would've scored if the ump called ball 4 instead of strike 2, or that a team would've continued their drive and scored if the ref would've called a receiver in bounds instead of out of bounds at the 50 yard line.

Football is a little different in that a botched play can put you in a high % place to score, which has a big impact.
Example: A team down by 2pts on there own 15yd line, and there are just seconds left, so they pull off a hail mary but the ball looks like it touches the ground, and the receiver is brought down at say the 5yd line, though it's not a score the % that they will win based on that is very high.

But you get into a lot of BS if you try to describe only plays that will change the outcome to be reviewed.
I like it when it helps, but hate it when it hurts!

[Irishmans Shanty]

Replay or not, I will continue to enjoy what I already enjoy.

Go Twins
Go Stars
Go Wild
Go Pirates
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Go Gophers
Go Bulldogs
Go USA Olympic Hockey team
Go Pizza Pete

[packerboy]

One of the resaons I love baseball is that the outcome is effected by so many "small" things.

Fortunately, most of the time its the players who decide the outcome. When its up to the umps, the vast majority of the time they make a good call.

I guess I could live with using IR to determine HRs but not because the call is more important or 'directly' involved with the outcome. I dont like that way of thinking about sports and especially baseball. I could live with it , but only because they cant see it.

That does open up a whole can of worms though. What if the ump/ref says "I could see it fine"?

[Irishmans Shanty]

Back in the Mid 90's I remember watching a playoff game between the Yanks and Orioles where a disputed HR call stopped the sporting world for a couple days.

Now, I don't even remember the specifics of it. I guess "getting it right" doesn't matter for the general public because we move on regardless.

[Govs93]

Back in the Mid 90's I remember watching a playoff game between the Yanks and Orioles where a disputed HR call stopped the sporting world for a couple days.

Now, I don't even remember the specifics of it. I guess "getting it right" doesn't matter for the general public because we move on regardless.

That little twerp in the stands, Jeffrey Maier (I think) stuck his mitt over the wall into the field at Yankee Stadium and interfered with the O's right fielder who probably would've made the catch, but it went as a homerun for Derek Jeter. He was the "Yin" to Steve Bartman's "Yang".

I think that kid went on to big things - I saw a story on ESPN where that said he was a big pitching stud in college and was going to be drafted or something.

[Stealth]

Wonder how many double plays would be called back with replay? 1/5th of them?

[Irishmans Shanty]

balks?

[State Champ 97]

check swings?

[Neutron 14]

I'm guessing CNT (who is selling this dining room set on ebay) hates this instant replay...

[packerboy]

Wonder how many double plays would be called back with replay? 1/5th of them?

IS said:balks?

Da champ said:check swings?

Precisely gentlemen.

If we are obsessed with "getting it right" all of that has to be reviewed.

How about tags at home? Those directly affect the outcome as much as homeruns.

IR is FUBAR.

Either review it all, which is not possible or none of it, which is easy.

[OGEE OGELTHORPE]

Instant replay for the most part is a joke. In Football it seems alot of the times it is a judgement call on catches, possesion, inbounds, outof bounds, 2 feet, knee , elbow whatever the case might be.
The refs rely on instant replays too much.

How many times have you watched a replay and the refs come up with the opposite call? For me many times.

In Hockey its a joke, it kills the moment. ask roseau fans about that

The only time I have seen replay work perfect is in Horseracing,camera at the finish line.

[sachishi4]

I'm guessing CNT (who is selling this dining room set on ebay) hates this instant replay...